Well if you are taking 140mg a week and see no benefit, you most likely didn’t have low t to begin withHello,
21 year old male, have made the big choice to go to TRT. 5 weeks in 140mg TestC a week split to pinning daily, and I feel nothing. Maybe slightly extra fatigue, which I can't even tell if its placebo because I already suffer from low-t fatigue daily. Also suffer from low libido and low motivation.
When can I expect for mental effects to kick in?
Hypothetically, if you were legitimately low T, and you obtained legit gear, you would definitely feel a difference after 5 weeks. Put it this way, I had low test, and within a couple weeks I felt noticeably better.I pin daily just for the maximum stability, I really don't mind as to me its the same as popping my supplements for the day. Just another thing a part of daily routine. I make sure to press a little extra down when pinning and don't lose any leaking.
As said will come back and update with blood test next week thursday/friday for the 6th week.
At this point I feel hes actively choosing not to go to a doctor out of fear of not having low test and being denied actual TRT. This way he can just self dose with no one to impede that.Hypothetically, if you were legitimately low T, and you obtained legit gear, you would definitely feel a difference after 5 weeks. Put it this way, I had low test, and within a couple weeks I felt noticeably better.
I'd be curious to see a blood test at this point, but keep in mind, if you obtained legit gear, your bloods will indicate that. Be sure to test your total test, free test, and estradiol. If you have the finances, pay for a sensitive assay, but not necessary.
Pinning daily sucks, but that's just me. I tried 3x per week and that sucked, lol. Twice per week is good, but to each their own. If you're concerned losing any just backfill a small bit of air. I do it w every shot.
If the results of your bloods indicate high test levels, I would follow the advice of everyone here and stop. Let your system get back to whatever homeostasis it was at prior to this decision. Then, approach your doctor, have a couple verifying blood tests, and ask for a referral to an endo. If you're 21 and have legitimate low test, I'd def want my doctor involved. There's more to consider, but there's no point in getting into it until you have your bloods.
But, I don't understand that. If he believes he has low T, then recognize that you're an outlier, and as you stated, the circumstances may be symptomatic of a more complex issue. At 5 weeks in, and at 21, I wouldn't even bother with PCT.At this point I feel hes actively choosing not to go to a doctor out of fear of not having low test and being denied actual TRT. This way he can just self dose with no one to impede that.
Man if you're really that worried and what I stated above isnt ths case. Then pct off. Test yourself with an LCG kit. Know for sure and if your test is good it could be an indication of another hormonal deficiency or abundance. If your health and quality of life is truly a concern. Listen to these dudes. I've learned so much from acouple of them. Take it from another young guy who used to "know what's best" for his body
So are you still pinning? Why dont you do yourself a favour. Pct. Off. Wait a few weeks. Test your T. Know for sure. Then do it right through a doctor? If you truly think you have low T why wouldnt you do it that way? Aside from the fact that you're worried you wont come back with having low TShould have also mentioned I've had bilateral varicoceles from when I was young, which may be why I have low-t. No I would not consider surgery.
I'm beginning to think subq into the delt is the reason why even at 6 weeks now hasn't given me that "kick" that people get from testosterone.
It's been confirmed through blood tests some people don't respond well to subq, and get a lot lower readings. I even read someone got 300ng/dl lower pinning into his delt instead of his quad (IM)
Delays with the doctor, finally getting the blood test paper on monday, but am going to hold off. I'm leaning either towards experimenting subq stomach and/or subq into the quad for 2 weeks, or maybe up to 4 if I start to get the true T effects. It seems it may not be absorbing into my system well.
What size pin are you using?Should have also mentioned I've had bilateral varicoceles from when I was young, which may be why I have low-t. No I would not consider surgery.
I'm beginning to think subq into the delt is the reason why even at 6 weeks now hasn't given me that "kick" that people get from testosterone.
It's been confirmed through blood tests some people don't respond well to subq, and get a lot lower readings. I even read someone got 300ng/dl lower pinning into his delt instead of his quad (IM)
Delays with the doctor, finally getting the blood test paper on monday, but am going to hold off. I'm leaning either towards experimenting subq stomach and/or subq into the quad for 2 weeks, or maybe up to 4 if I start to get the true T effects. Or just save all the trouble and pin to lats IM. Quad IM too many horror stories, not even going to bother. The next biggest muscle group to my preference would be the lats.
It seems it may not be absorbing into my system well. I didn't wanna have to go IM but seems that may be the way to go.
Will update again within 2 weeks
What size pin are you using?
Try 1/2" slin pins, IM in delts. That's what I do.30g insulin 5/16. I would push down a bit to go for a deep subq in the delt, but doesn't seem subq is doing me well or at the very least subq into the delt
Yeah this has been pointed out a bunch of times already lol. OP is adamant that its low E even though he doesn't have any bloodwork.I wonder if, due to the fact you still feel like shit after 6 weeks of pinning. That maybe the issue isnt low T.
Have you considered that possibility?
Yeah I'm trying not to be an ass. But why ask for guidance if you're just going to essentially tell everyone who offers it. That they're wrong.Yeah this has been pointed out a bunch of times already lol. OP is adamant that its low E even though he doesn't have any bloodwork.
If you were truly low T regardless if you went subQ, IM or even fucking gel after 6 weeks you would see some sort of improvement (or sides) in my opinion.
Agree, 100%.Yeah I'm trying not to be an ass. But why ask for guidance if you're just going to essentially tell everyone who offers it. That they're wrong.
It personally seems like he wants it to be T even if it isnt and no other possibility matters.
Young padawan @shanesheen Look up Occams razor. You've been pinning test. No change at all. Now that you've for the most part covered low T and still feeling like shit. Think logically. What is the most likely cause, is it low T or is possibly some other issue that you've refused to acknowledge?
Should have also mentioned I've had bilateral varicoceles from when I was young, which may be why I have low-t. No I would not consider surgery.
I'm beginning to think subq into the delt is the reason why even at 6 weeks now hasn't given me that "kick" that people get from testosterone.
It's been confirmed through blood tests some people don't respond well to subq, and get a lot lower readings. I even read someone got 300ng/dl lower pinning into his delt instead of his quad (IM)
Delays with the doctor, finally getting the blood test paper on monday, but am going to hold off until i get the "kick" from T. I'm leaning either towards experimenting subq stomach and/or subq into the quad for 2 weeks, or maybe up to 4 if I start to get the true T effects. Or just save all the trouble and pin to lats IM. Quad IM too many horror stories, not even going to bother. The next biggest muscle group to my preference would be the lats.
It seems it may not be absorbing into my system well. I didn't wanna have to go IM but seems that may be the way to go.
Will update again within 2 weeks
Whats wrong with daily shots?Pinning quad horror stories? Like what? Excellent absorption, two large areas in which to inject, so far less scar tissue build up relative to a delt, plus, if you're lean you can use a 5/8 without issue? I prefer quads, but I rotate to delts. I should do glutes, but the thigh is easy access. Right now I'm using either 1" or 5/8" between delts and quads.
Another reason I like quads is that it's easy to roll out the area, which helps with dispersion.
5/16? Geez, that's a shallow injection. Not sure why you are doing daily shots either. If you want to notice a difference try e3.5d.
I have never heard of anyone not absorbing via a delt injection. I suppose it could happen, but an IM injection is an IM injection. That how that shit works.
All that aside, as others have mentioned, if you are 6 weeks without any difference you likely have an unrelated issue, not low T, but if you continue you will get there, so there's that. Something doesn't add up.
Many switch from subq to IM because it didn't work or work nearly as well, through the internet this is not talked about much. This specific post referenced is to someone who recently doubled there total T, raised free a bunch and had e2 stabilized from the switch. In the comments some others confirmed the same thing happened to them after the switch. Someone who owns a clinic in the comments claimed IM is always superior as well. Have also seen others with the same results on internet research, youtube comments/discussions etc.
Read someone specifically today somewhere saying after a week of switching from IM to subq his libido dropped...