5 weeks TRT - Don't feel anything

You want to feel better, change to prop eod. .33 cc will give you 123 mg which put me right at perfect.
I don’t know why it does, but I feel way better doing prop eod on trt.
Blast doesn’t matter.
Agree. The “i don’t know why” is easy

Attached is 45mg test cyp twice per week (90mg per week) vs 25 mg test prop EOD (87 mg). Given the ester weight and rate of test entering the blood stream, the difference is visible snd most people would feel the difference

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Agree. The “i don’t know why” is easy

Attached is 45mg test cyp twice per week (90mg per week) vs 25 mg test prop EOD (87 mg). Given the ester weight and rate of test entering the blood stream, the difference is visible snd most people would feel the difference

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You need to account for ester weight. So I use more test e than prop.
That sure seems to be a very large difference, something about that doesn’t seem right.
I know that I get the same blood readings in 128 mg of test e as 123 mg of test prop.
 
You need to account for ester weight. So I use more test e than prop.
That sure seems to be a very large difference, something about that doesn’t seem right.
I know that I get the same blood readings in 128 mg of test e as 123 mg of test prop.
I don't now how accurate the steroid plotter is but i do get stronger and leaner on equivalent amounts of prop vs test. On TRT, from time to time i like to mix cyp (80%) with prop (20%) and take M/W/F. feels great.
 
You want to feel better, change to prop eod. .33 cc will give you 123 mg which put me right at perfect.
I don’t know why it does, but I feel way better doing prop eod on trt.
Blast doesn’t matter.
I would, but I have a crapload of pharma test just sitting here. I'm at 110/wk right now, and feel ok, but when I did 3x wk I did notice I felt better, and that was the same amount. I understand how prop would feel better, faster action w more frequent administration.

I'll hold out at my current regime for another couple weeks, but will likely give 3x wk a go in Jan. Perhaps try prop in the near future.
 
I don't agree. If it's prescribed what do they care, and if they know anything about endocrinology they would recognize that more frequent injections produce stability while offsetting side-effects.

If the reason is trt, there is no reason to be concerned about nat production.

I'm tempted to increase my pinning frequency, as I prefer to 'feel' better than what I do at trt levels, however, being stable is nice, and I've been to hell and back getting here. I do miss that extra push. Better focus, memory, but the fucking estrogen volatility kills it for me.
Thats the thing. I dont think any of this is prescribed. I have a very hard time believing a doctor would have him pinning 365 days a year.

As always we aren't in his situation so some guessing is involved.
 
I just think Ed for a very low dose of test is silly. No real reason, I guess I was trying to justify my opinion by saying you’ll lose oil, lol.
I can understand if you are pinning with a skin pin and hitting around 1cc of total gear and have to pin Ed, but otherwise I just don’t understand with test e.
I have tried Ed, twice a week and once a week.
Ed and twice a week seemed the same with a longer ester. Once a week I could feel it peek and drop a bit.

But hey, he can do what he wants. If he enjoys pinning and believes in his mind that it’s better that way, go for it.
Which is all im trying to say.
 
Thats the thing. I dont think any of this is prescribed. I have a very hard time believing a doctor would have him pinning 365 days a year.

As always we aren't in his situation so some guessing is involved.
You're the only one "not thinking"
Maybe you should just stop guessing because what you usually have to say either makes no sense or is totally wrong anyways.
 
I don't now how accurate the steroid plotter is but i do get stronger and leaner on equivalent amounts of prop vs test. On TRT, from time to time i like to mix cyp (80%) with prop (20%) and take M/W/F. feels great.
I’m thinking it’s because less gets converted to estrogen in the body in real life, not a graph.
Having perfect stable test levels likely converts more, but when it’s swinging up and down, it’s tougher for everything to timed perfect to convert. If you understand what I’m saying.
 
I would, but I have a crapload of pharma test just sitting here. I'm at 110/wk right now, and feel ok, but when I did 3x wk I did notice I felt better, and that was the same amount. I understand how prop would feel better, faster action w more frequent administration.

I'll hold out at my current regime for another couple weeks, but will likely give 3x wk a go in Jan. Perhaps try prop in the near future.
Sometimes I think the placebo effect hits when you pin more. You feel more “on” lol.
 
Unfortunately what you think and the truth are different. An injection every 4 days is optimal because your body just doesn't metabolize testosterone that quickly.
Most doctors have you from 1 to 2 WEEKS and would possibly outright deny you medicinal test if you told them you were pinning daily.

I don't even know what an ED pin would do for your levels...keep you higher than aimed for nonstop? I bet it would MURDER whatever production your body is still doing.

In any case, pinning daily is not something many people do for testosterone unless you're pinning for performance.
I believe that is a bit of a misconception as well. Despite Cyp or Enth being a longer ester, from what has been coming out is pinning frequency could be established and based off your SHBG level, which is the protein that binds to the T and gives the body its ability to hold it and determines the rate the body metabolizes / excrete it regardless of how long it is supposed to take a testosterone ester to break down in the body on paper. I have an SHBG of 11-13 and started to pin my trt ED using a slin pin. I backload a weeks worth at a time and divide my weekly dose up into daily shots and I do think it has helped with swings and kept things more consistent. I will keep going at this for a while longer and maybe extend to EOD and prob as far apart as I will go knowing the relevancy of SHBG now.
 
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Many switch from subq to IM because it didn't work or work nearly as well, through the internet this is not talked about much. This specific post referenced is to someone who recently doubled there total T, raised free a bunch and had e2 stabilized from the switch. Pinning frequency was the same. In the comments some others confirmed the same thing happened to them after the switch. Someone who owns a clinic in the comments claimed IM is always superior as well. Have also seen others with the same results on internet research, youtube comments/discussions etc.
Read someone specifically today somewhere saying after a week of switching from IM to subq his libido dropped...


you read reddit way too much seems to be your main source of info, stop making these mistakes first.
 
I believe that is a bit of a misconception as well. Despite Cyp or Enth being a longer ester, from what has been coming out is pinning frequency could be established and based on your SHBG level which is the protein that binds to the T and gives the ability to hold it in the body and determines the rate the body metabolizes / excrete it regardless of how long it is supposed to take testosterone to break down in the body on paper. I have an SHBG of 11-13 and started to pin my trt ED using a slin pin. I backload a weeks worth at a time and divide my weekly dose up into daily shots and I do think it has helped with swings and kept things more consistent. I will keep going at this for a while longer and maybe extend to EOD and prob as far apart as I will go knowing the relevancy of SHBG now.
FINALLY! Someone is using some science to this. That's all my original post really was about was about throwing a bunch of test-e at the blackboard and seeing what sticks. I was meaning no disrespect or insult...but trt can be dangerous.
 
So finally after a delay with the LGC test not shipping out for a month and time inbetween everything, I have finally gotten bloods!

EDIT: had sex friday, saturday, sunday then took blood test monday morning fasted. Inaccurate reading for prolactin?

Testosterone 23.6 nmol/L
SHBG nmol/L
Free Androgen Index 118 (exact free T would have been nice)
Prolactin 338 mIU/L (this is too high, explains low dopamine symptoms I have)
Estradiol 80pmol/L

The prolactin can explain the symptoms lack of sex drive and fatigue, overall low-dopamine/mild depression and other symptoms. However I don't have my total T as high as I would like either. Ideally I'm aiming for 1000ng/dl or 35 nmol/L.

I plan to try taking P5P and Vitamin E to lower the prolactin.

I'm going to be adding 500iu HCG weekly split to daily in the same shot I take daily. How much should I start to raise the T by to achieve 1000ng/dl while factoring in the HCG?
 
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So finally after a delay with the LGC test not shipping out for a month and time inbetween everything, I have finally gotten bloods!

Testosterone 23.6 nmol/L
SHBG nmol/L
Free Androgen Index 118 (exact free T would have been nice)
Prolactin 338 mIU/L (this is too high, explains low dopamine symptoms I have)
Estradiol 80pmol/L

The prolactin can explain the symptoms lack of sex drive and fatigue, overall low-dopamine/mild depression and other symptoms. However I don't have my total T as high as I would like either. Ideally I'm aiming for 1000ng/dl or 35 nmol/L.

I'm going to be adding 500iu HCG weekly split to daily in the same shot I take daily. How much should I start to raise the T by to achieve 1000ng/dl while factoring in the HCG?

I plan to take P5P and Vitamin E to lower the prolactin.
How much test were you taking at the time of these bloods?

Others can weigh in, but wouldn't Caber be more effective? Is the measure of your prolactin supposed to read ug/L? If so, the upper end of that range is 18. In that case I wouldn't waste my time with vitamins, you need to knock that down hard.

Why would you add anything before resolving the underlying issue? It's will only serve to complicate. Why not address your prolactin, get that within a normal range, then depending on how you feel decide to add.

What makes you believe you need TT of 35nmol/L to feel best? Your E2 is great, but I expect adding HCG and more test will throw that out of whack, then you need an AI to deal with E2 issues, which is a pain in the ass. At least that's been my experience. Don't get me wrong, I feel great with my FT around 750, but there is too much else to deal with.

Personally, I wouldn't mix a water-based compound with an oil-based compound, but perhaps someone else can weigh in. I know some do it.
 
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How much test were you taking at the time of these bloods?

Others can weigh in, but wouldn't Caber be more effective? Is the measure of your prolactin supposed to read ug/L? If so, the upper end of that range is 18. In that case I wouldn't waste my time with vitamins, you need to knock that down hard.

Why would you add anything before resolving the underlying issue? It's will only serve to complicate. Why not address your prolactin, get that within a normal range, then depending on how you feel decide to add.

What makes you believe you need TT of 35nmol/L to feel best? Your E2 is great, but I expect adding HCG and more test will throw that out of whack, then you need an AI to deal with E2 issues, which is a pain in the ass. At least that's been my experience. Don't get me wrong, I feel great with my FT around 750, but there is too much else to deal with.

Personally, I wouldn't mix a water-based compound with an oil-based compound, but perhaps someone else can weigh in. I know some do it.


I was taking and currently am taking 140mg TestC weekly.

The problem I have with caber is the effects on the heart overtime.

That is true with the E2, I’m dialed in perfect with E2/SHBG. So I might just for the time being add in the HCG only which will raise total T as well.

I will also add in 2.5mg Cialis daily which will lower E and free up T a bit further.
 
Since you're thinking your prolactin was the issue do you plan to come off of trt whilst dealing with the prolactin?

Also I've never heard of cialis influencing estradiol and testosterone, got anything on that as I'm curious
 
Since you're thinking your prolactin was the issue do you plan to come off of trt whilst dealing with the prolactin?

Also I've never heard of cialis influencing estradiol and testosterone, got anything on that as I'm curious

No I won’t get off. I think prolactin is only part of the issue. 650ng/dl isn’t even where I want to be at. Especially at 21 years old.

Wouldn't take cialis daily as natty since it lowers LH

 
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Using my own extensive history of blood test results 650ng/dl FT places me at the high end for TT, and my SHBG is in the 40's.

To each their own, and I'm not 'telling' you what to do, personally, I don't care. Just my 2 cents. Fwiw, keep in mind that a TT of 32 places you in the 99% percentile group (based on research). Believing you require outlier levels of test is a personal choice, but not backed up by research.
The majority of males do not naturally produce anywhere close to that. Again, based on a large study men your age those in the 90th percentile group had an average total test of 25nmol/L.

HCG will have more of an impact on your E2. I can attest to that from personal experience. I'd much rather take more test than HCG, but a low dose would keep the engine primed in the event you chose to have children at some point. I tried it as a complement to trt, but it pushed up my E2. Again, to each their own, but more variables tends to complicate. Interesting about the Cialis. I will have to read that more closely and see what else I can find. Very intriguing.

 
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Something else I forgot to add is that I have sex friday, saturday, sunday. I took the blood sample monday morning. Is it possible all the ejaculating before the test caused higher prolactin readings to that extent?

I forgot about this otherwise I wouldn't have on sunday at the very least... great
 
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