5 weeks TRT - Don't feel anything

shanesheen said:
So I did my normal subq this morning, but the whole day was thinking with 6 weeks gone by and feeling like garbage everyday, I'm just going to skip experimenting with other subq spots and just go IM.

Used the 30g 5/16's I have in my lat, made sure to go past when it starts to get harder to push entering the muscle, and successfully got my 20mg for my daily shot (extra 20mg today technically)

Hopefully next update will be with some big changes, and the next update after that with some bloodwork!
Yes, from there I will regularly do bloodwork every 3 - 6 months.

Thank you to everyone whos paid there interest, concern and support in this
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First off you are losing gear pinning every day. Unless you pull in some air then inject uphill you’ll always lose a little. Maybe 0.01. Over 7 days is .1 of a cc. That’s a bit to lose.
Do it eod or twice a week.
You can inject up to 1 cc sub q no issues.
If you want to pin quads. Pin about 1 hand from your hip joint in the outside of your thigh. You’ll have no issues.
I find I only get issues if I inject too low down towards my knee. In the upper 1/3 area.
Even with a 3/16” needle you’ll get a shallow IM in your delt unless you have a fair bit of bodyfat.
 
Dr./blood tests without any extra Test-get off totally to get a real reading -Worse case scenario-pituitary tumor for instance/adrenal fatigue etc.Get clean-rule out things with Specialists then make decisions-Good luck
 
ABMonkey said:
Whats wrong with daily shots?

This is the second time in the past week across both boards someone has shit on daily shots.

Nothing wrong with daily shots. In fact I'd say they are optimal....stable hormones, less fluctuations, less estrogen fuckery.

The only cons I see are scar tissue (which is mitigated by using insulin pins and site rotation) or if you're scared of needles or its an inconvenience.
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Nothing wrong with daily shots. But who the fuck pins 8ius of test c daily?? I lose that much drawing and pinning..lmao
 
Sorbate said:
In order to believe this statement I’d need to know the pinning frequency sub q vs IM. And when bloods were drawn for each.
You could draw blood on a low swing fir subs and at a peak on IM and get these different results.
For example, he pinned sub q eod, well his total testestrone spike would not be as high as say injecting IM once a week.
Plus if he drew on his high point of his IM injection yes his estrogen levels would be lower because estrogen chases testosterone. But by the end of the week his estrogen levels could be higher than sub q because it was more steady.

Too many questions and info missing.

I have also found people talk when they think they have do e something revolutionary, but if it turns out to be no different, they never come back and revise their thoughts.
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I agree, there's nothing in that statement that proves anything. I've had bloodwork come back with TT and FT that was double what it was the previous week, and E2 stayed the same. I never noticed any difference or felt any different, and the next week's test was back to normal. Things fluctuate. The lab ran that blood 3x b/c of the discrepancy.

Correlation doesn't imply causation.
 
ABMonkey said:
Whats wrong with daily shots?

This is the second time in the past week across both boards someone has shit on daily shots.

Nothing wrong with daily shots. In fact I'd say they are optimal....stable hormones, less fluctuations, less estrogen fuckery.

The only cons I see are scar tissue (which is mitigated by using insulin pins and site rotation) or if you're scared of needles or its an inconvenience.
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Nothing wrong with daily shots. My criticism was aimed at the issue of not feeling anything after 6 weeks. I was merely suggesting taking two shots a week. I agree, quite optimal, just too much of a hassle for me. I honestly couldn't be bothered, regardless of the result.

To each their own.
 
If you are taking testosterone via IM or Sub C - regardless of any studies you read, the test will be into your blood.
I feel the increase in desire/morning erections etc. in two days but don't get the muscle growth for 3 - 4 weeks with enanthate which has a similar half life as C. As @Sorbate said, if you use slin needles in your shoulder, your going into muscle unless you are carrying a lot of fat. Shoulders tend to be all muscle.

Listen to the advice handed out here and good luck getting this sorted out. Don't go this alone and see a doctor as I find it hard to fathom you have low T unless the gear is crap.
 
I’m thinking you have other issues or your gear is weak.
Once you get your bloods you’ll know, of your test is within range and you still feel blah, then you know.
 
Sorbate said:
First off you are losing gear pinning every day. Unless you pull in some air then inject uphill you’ll always lose a little. Maybe 0.01. Over 7 days is .1 of a cc. That’s a bit to lose.
Do it eod or twice a week.
You can inject up to 1 cc sub q no issues.
If you want to pin quads. Pin about 1 hand from your hip joint in the outside of your thigh. You’ll have no issues.
I find I only get issues if I inject too low down towards my knee. In the upper 1/3 area.
Even with a 3/16” needle you’ll get a shallow IM in your delt unless you have a fair bit of bodyfat.
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Done that 'too near to the end of the quad'; god-damn there's a lot of nerves, lol. I managed to inject, but when that needle stopped I instantly knew it wasn't going any further. It met something, and that was warning enough. I've done triceps with a slin pin, just to see, and it was slick, but it was a small amount. If I were to go eod I'd switch to slin pins.

Perhaps I'll try it some time.
 
ABMonkey said:
Try 1/2" slin pins, IM in delts. That's what I do.

Lats, pecs all good too.
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Do you use the 1/2" on quads? I'm lean, but is 1/2" deep enough? After trying a slin pin inject on my tricep I'm considering a switch. It was slick.
 
resilient1 said:
Do you use the 1/2" on quads? I'm lean, but is 1/2" deep enough? After trying a slin pin inject on my tricep I'm considering a switch. It was slick.
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I've never pinned quads and never will lol. Fuck that noise.

I like lats, pecs, DG, delts, VG in that order. 1/2" slin everywhere excluding DG. IM not subQ.
 
ABMonkey said:
I've never pinned quads and never will lol. Fuck that noise.

I like lats, pecs, DG, delts, VG in that order. 1/2" slin everywhere excluding DG. IM not subQ.
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I should start pinning my glutes. I like quads b/c they are right there, no bending, no fatty tissue, just straight down or 45 degrees on the side. I only do IM. It might work for some, but IM works and why mess with a sure thing? I have a year's supply of 1" 25g, so the slin option is on the backburner for now.
 
I didn't read the whole thread, but I've been at "need TRT" levels of total T since I was first given bloods at 20yo. You should feel something after 5 weeks.
I started self-medicating around 24, after a solid few years of research and tons of failed relationships. I couldn't get an Endo appointment for the life of me, because I was "too young" to be having these issues.
It's been 10 years since the first pin, and a lot of lessons learned, if you wanna chat, send me a DM for anything but sourcing. Getting medical autonomy at this age is tough, as is doing all your due diligence. You're a kid, apparently (and with all endocrine issues, that's not truly wrong).

ABMonkey said:
I've never pinned quads and never will lol. Fuck that noise.

I like lats, pecs, DG, delts, VG in that order. 1/2" slin everywhere excluding DG. IM not subQ.
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I'm lean enough I pin the V. Lateralis (external quad) exclusively. Works fine with a 12.7mm 31g. Use the hand rule. 13.2 (1 hand length down from the pelvic hip joint, one hand length above the knee). Mosquitoes hurt more, just pinch around for a dead skin zone. More than deep enough for IM without a single missed shot for... Over... 200 shots?
 
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I'm not sure you've explained how you think your T is low. At 21 you should be tripping balls on T. Unless you have a growth problem, you'd not have low T unless you have something knocking your T low like another medication. What doctor has told you that you are low T and that it's causing your fatigue? Diagnosing fatigue is like a six month intensive affair. There are A LOT of things that can cause fatigue even if you're low on T. Low T doesn't necessarily make you fatigued. It took me YEARS to get my fatigue problem under control.

You don't need to inject testosterone daily to maintain a level for the purposes of fatigue. Testosterone does not drop in levels in your blood stream for four days. If you inject every four days, it's just the same as doing it every day. There is no benefit by injecting daily for what you are trying to do.

Have you seen a doctor for this yet? From your words earlier it sounded like you hadn't.
 
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LePsyber said:
I'm not sure you've explained how you think your T is low. At 21 you should be tripping balls on T. Unless you have a growth problem, you'd not have low T unless you have something knocking your T low like another medication. What doctor has told you that you are low T and that it's causing your fatigue? Diagnosing fatigue is like a six month intensive affair. There are A LOT of things that can cause fatigue even if you're low on T. Low T doesn't necessarily make you fatigued. It took me YEARS to get my fatigue problem under control.

Pinning once a day? It's silliness. Testosterone in your body lasts at nominal levels for 4 days. That means you when you put it in until four days later, the same amount of T is in your blood as when you put it into your body. From day 4 on down the hill your level SLOWLY drops. Most people will do 100/week or 200/2 weeks.

You do NOT need to pin daily for what you are looking for. There is ZERO benefit from that. Absolutely ZERO. Most people pin once a week to give your body a chance to drop just a bit. Not sure if it helps keep your body making a bit of T but people don't pin every 4 days unless they're lifting and building and generally using different things than testosterone.

Lastly, the information you've listed isn't anywhere near the normal for any person I've heard of. 140/7. There's no doctor in this world that is going to tell you that you need to pin anything daily unless it's serious like insulin. Pinning is a vector for infection so they frown on you injecting anything more than you need to. Those that inject higher doses, more often and stronger things do so at their own risk.
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Pinning once a day is silliness?

Errrr......
 
LePsyber said:
I'm not sure you've explained how you think your T is low. At 21 you should be tripping balls on T. Unless you have a growth problem, you'd not have low T unless you have something knocking your T low like another medication. What doctor has told you that you are low T and that it's causing your fatigue? Diagnosing fatigue is like a six month intensive affair. There are A LOT of things that can cause fatigue even if you're low on T. Low T doesn't necessarily make you fatigued. It took me YEARS to get my fatigue problem under control.

Pinning once a day? It's silliness. Testosterone in your body lasts at nominal levels for 4 days. That means you when you put it in until four days later, the same amount of T is in your blood as when you put it into your body. From day 4 on down the hill your level SLOWLY drops. Most people will do 100/week or 200/2 weeks.

You do NOT need to pin daily for what you are looking for. There is ZERO benefit from that. Absolutely ZERO. Most people pin once a week to give your body a chance to drop just a bit. Not sure if it helps keep your body making a bit of T but people don't pin every 4 days unless they're lifting and building and generally using different things than testosterone.

Lastly, the information you've listed isn't anywhere near the normal for any person I've heard of. 140/7. There's no doctor in this world that is going to tell you that you need to pin anything daily unless it's serious like insulin. Pinning is a vector for infection so they frown on you injecting anything more than you need to. Those that inject higher doses, more often and stronger things do so at their own risk.
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There is a fuckton of nonsense in this post and it should be ignored. I will give credit where credit is due though, it's not all bullshit. Some of it is right on point and should be acknowledged as such :

"I'm not sure..." ✔️
 
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