I’d be 3 times my size if I actually was consistent with my training, lol.You would be 3 times your size if you did sub Q shots......Not fat injections....lolol...
I’d be 3 times my size if I actually was consistent with my training, lol.You would be 3 times your size if you did sub Q shots......Not fat injections....lolol...
GH, water based roids etc. do not do well in fat..At all...Not sure when folks lost the knowledge on this. Recently most folk are saying just put it in the fat. Not correct.
Fat has little to no vascularity and blood flows. That is needed to absorb the goods. Water based is setting one up for possible infections, not high risk, but its there.
You know, I just stick it in and inject. I’ve injected shallow into the muscle, into the fat, just under the skin.OK, wait, Im confused. Not hard to do I know. Lol. So, when we do HCG or GH, water based, and we squeeze up the roll we can accumulate beside the belly button, even at a 45 degree angle I assume my 30 g .5 inch is going into fat. So that is not the right way to do these? Should they be IM to make certain they are going in and being distributed properly?
I mean, I know we dont do these IV, So if not into the fat, then whats the middle area we should be doing?
I read back through the thread and the confusion is understandable. Hopefully someone will correct me if this is off or fill in more precise info but I will spew out a very simplified explanation. Maybe I'm gonna be too vague to even use the term explanation so I'll say "here is a good way to think about it". I'll preface by saying their are exceptions to everything coming next.OK, wait, Im confused. Not hard to do I know. Lol. So, when we do HCG or GH, water based, and we squeeze up the roll we can accumulate beside the belly button, even at a 45 degree angle I assume my 30 g .5 inch is going into fat. So that is not the right way to do these? Should they be IM to make certain they are going in and being distributed properly?
I mean, I know we dont do these IV, So if not into the fat, then whats the middle area we should be doing?
Ok, since most gear we inject is estered, and if one was to inject in more fat and slow absorption, but did it that way all the time, would you not eventually over multiple injects end up with the same blood concentration, just it would take longer to peek because of the slower absorption? Kinda like a longer estered gear?I read back through the thread and the confusion is understandable. Hopefully someone will correct me if this is off or fill in more precise info but I will spew out a very simplified explanation. Maybe I'm gonna be too vague to even use the term explanation so I'll say "here is a good way to think about it". I'll preface by saying their are exceptions to everything coming next.
SubQ tissue is everything between the skin and muscle. Actually it is considered the deepest layer of the skin but it's is different stuff from what most people would call skin. It does usually contain fat. In some of those places the fat is thicker than others, readily obvious in certain places. The deeper you go into fat tissues the weaker the blood supply compare to the subQ tissue nearer to the other bottom layers of skin. The closer you leave a deposit of medicine to a good blood supply the better it will be absorbed.
Muscle tissue is much better and more evenly supplied with blood vessels.
TLDR: Inject with the intention of leaving the meds as near the bottom layers of skin as is practical for most efficient absorption. Don't go deep into fat deposits.
Don't squeeze up a big handful of fat and then go in at 90deg. I used the term "tenting" before, here is a pic. This is the extreme and might be needed by the ultra lean but you can also do a much less severe version by gently bunching up a little roll and going in at 45deg. Don't squeeze hard at all though.
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And don't inject anything within a couple of inches of you navel. There is some funky shit going on under the skin there that can affect absorption.
I agree. With oil. And that has been my experience. Yours too if I'm not mistaken.Ok, since most gear we inject is estered, and if one was to inject in more fat and slow absorption, but did it that way all the time, would you not eventually over multiple injects end up with the same blood concentration, just it would take longer to peek because of the slower absorption? Kinda like a longer estered gear?
So in reality wouldn't really make any difference.
Unless I’m really missing something?
Perfect explanation...We have dermis, epidermis, and sub cutaneous.I read back through the thread and the confusion is understandable. Hopefully someone will correct me if this is off or fill in more precise info but I will spew out a very simplified explanation. Maybe I'm gonna be too vague to even use the term explanation so I'll say "here is a good way to think about it". I'll preface by saying their are exceptions to everything coming next.
SubQ tissue is everything between the skin and muscle. Actually it is considered the deepest layer of the skin but it's is different stuff from what most people would call skin. It does usually contain fat. In some of those places the fat is thicker than others, readily obvious in certain places. The deeper you go into fat tissues the weaker the blood supply compare to the subQ tissue nearer to the other bottom layers of skin. The closer you leave a deposit of medicine to a good blood supply the better it will be absorbed.
Muscle tissue is much better and more evenly supplied with blood vessels.
TLDR: Inject with the intention of leaving the meds as near the bottom layers of skin as is practical for most efficient absorption. Don't go deep into fat deposits.
Don't squeeze up a big handful of fat and then go in at 90deg. I used the term "tenting" before, here is a pic. This is the extreme and might be needed by the ultra lean but you can also do a much less severe version by gently bunching up a little roll and going in at 45deg. Don't squeeze hard at all though.
View attachment 42144 (yep, that's a dog)
And don't inject anything within a couple of inches of you navel. There is some funky shit going on under the skin there that can affect absorption.
I am not a doc, but deeply knowledgeable i may state that i am. Lots of chats with docs and professional med folks.I agree. With oil. And that has been my experience. Yours too if I'm not mistaken.
Possibly slower with deeper injects with resulting lower peaks but as long as it all gets taken in then we're all good. Lots of factors affect these times and peaks, the volume of the injection comes to mind. Most of these differences are too small for us casual scientists to take notice of though. At some point in the curves, maybe somewhere around where the half life is, the plasma level will be the same for both. Although there is the risk of it not getting absorbed and forming an abscess, from what I understand that is more likely where their are less capillaries.
That last post I made was contributing to the thread wandering sort of off topic because it was in reply to confusion about water based stuff. I believe the depth is more important for water based stuff and that the difference between a nice shallow SC shot and a deep into fat shot wrt release and peak times is much more important for the water based stuff. Their are various strategies and intentions behind what you want from an HGH or Ipamorelin shot for example. Do you want a quick spike or prolonged action (bleeding) for example.
I'd love if someone who is deeply knowledgeable about this would come in and take a critical look at the thoughts shared here. I feel fairly confident about it in general but there's probably ample amounts of things to pick apart, hence me trying to stay generalized.
You store fat there, as i mentioned...Not calling you a fat fuck....lol...Just most fellows carry there and bad spot to do sub q injects....Not thick skin, its called fat amigo, skin is generally similar thickness except where calloused, maybe you are doing some freaky deaky shit to get calloused thick skin belly, but welts are from poor absorption and irritation...I don’t do sub q in the belly. It gives me welts.
I was speculating that if it absorbed slower in fat, because everyone was saying it wasnt vascular, that it would be like a longer estered preparation.I am not a doc, but deeply knowledgeable i may state that i am. Lots of chats with docs and professional med folks.
Sorbate is thinking absorption is slower in fat with esters. The fact is, if blood is not flowing in the area, it will not absorb into the blood stream, end of story, abcesses then possibly follow. They may be sterile abcess, but the body will not let it sit there static, it will encapsulate it for protection.
Been there done that.
Not sure what that has to do with anything?Cool. Well I’ll just leave this here.
Adipose Tissue Vascularization: Its Role in Chronic Inflammation
In obesity, the vascular complication is a result of insulin resistance, such as decreased capillary recruitment in skeletal muscle from endothelial insulin resistance. Recent progress in the study of obesity-associated inflammation suggests that vasculature ...www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Not sure what that has to do with anything?
Read and read once more lolNot sure what that has to do with anything?
you stated there was no blood flowing therefore you’d get an abcess. I said there was blood flow in fat. Fat tissue is vascular, it has blood flow to each fat cell.I am not a doc, but deeply knowledgeable i may state that i am. Lots of chats with docs and professional med folks.
Sorbate is thinking absorption is slower in fat with esters. The fact is, if blood is not flowing in the area, it will not absorb into the blood stream, end of story, abcesses then possibly follow. They may be sterile abcess, but the body will not let it sit there static, it will encapsulate it for protection.
Been there done that.
Have fun moving. You hire a company?Of course there is blood flow in fat tissue, but not near as much as muscle. How else would fat be released to blood?
BUT you have done a full circle and now the truth is missed.
Less than 25% blood flow in fat and again, cut a fat animal open it up. See how much blood comes out of that one inch and more layer of fat.
Now cut the muscle.
I am just trying to protect the folks misunderstanding or wondering about sub q and by stating just jab is blatantly irresponsible end of story.
No frustration here, quite inert actually but I will state anyone just poking and doing sub q into fat tissue is going to be sorry.
Thinking and stating injection into fat will give a nice slow release is irresponsible.
So I can’t just walk away.
Sub q is good and safe and very effective, but please people do some research.
I learned the hard way and pass it along and pay forward anything I know and will always try to help responsibly.
Off to move to Alberta. Good times.