Thinking about reducing my trt to my natural, pre trt levels

I’m currently prescribed 100mg weekly , I’m thinking about going up to 125mg but I’m waiting until I get blood work as it is ok but I could feel better. And thank you for the video.
 
resilient1 said:
I find the variability from person to person to be fascinating, and the ferritin difference proves it. Did you try 5mg cialis for at least 2 weeks? I didn't notice much for the first week, then it seemed to kick in. I had some pharma 5mg cialis once and it worked very well when taken as needed. But, there's always a difference between pharma and UGL. If taking as needed, I def need 20mg ugl, or 10mg and 50mg viagra.

I bet your estrogen would sit around 80 if you dropped the HCG and instead marginally increased your test, as @Oldguyjiujitsu suggested. How long have you been taking the hcg? Have you noticed any difference from before you started?
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The 5mg cialis is from a different UGL than my 20mg, so that could be an issue for sure.

I was taking the HCG since mid Dec.

So I stopped the HCG friday (last pin was prev monday) and also took a single .5 dose of adex on friday. This weekend I had great erections with zero PDE5s. What does that say? Maybe I do better with a slightly lower estradiol on TRT? My pre TRT blood work back in late 2016, I had the EXACT same e2 level as this last test (95). However, my test numbers were lower 12.4 total, 263 free. I had less ED/libido issues, pre TRT.

I think I'll not make any further changes for a while besides dropping the HCG so I can see what happens. Though I am itching to run the 5 vials of Primo I have :)
 
Nixter said:
The 5mg cialis is from a different UGL than my 20mg, so that could be an issue for sure.

I was taking the HCG since mid Dec.

So I stopped the HCG friday (last pin was prev monday) and also took a single .5 dose of adex on friday. This weekend I had great erections with zero PDE5s. What does that say? Maybe I do better with a slightly lower estradiol on TRT? OGJJ: No, this data means nothing, the erections is just a reaction to the imbalance between your T and E caused by the AI. This is not sustainable. If you want a slight imbalance change TRT dosages by 10-15mg every 3-4 weeks and/or rotate between pinning once per week and 2x or 3x per week. I highly recommend against using an AI on such a low dosage of Test, when your E2 is in range without. My pre TRT blood work back in late 2016, I had the EXACT same e2 level as this last test (95). However, my test numbers were lower 12.4 total, 263 free. I had less ED/libido issues, pre TRT.

I think I'll not make any further changes for a while besides dropping the HCG OGJJ:(y) so I can see what happens. Though I am itching to run the 5 vials of Primo I have :) OGJJ: if you want to run a cycle, run a cycle but that is a totally different topic.
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Hope this helps. Always be weary of drawing conclusions from a single piece of data.
 
@Oldguyjiujitsu Thanks again. I wasn't planning to continue with the ai. I Agree it seems silly on such a low dose. The Primo will be saved for a bit yet.

And yes, I have always noticed that libido and erections are best during a dose transition, particularly a drop in dosage. Interesting idea regarding alternating pinning frequencies.
 
Ok, I think this experiment is done. Im a couple days short of 8 weeks at 80mg. The main goal was to address libido and that hasn't improved, if anything it's maybe a bit worse. I have enjoyed the reduced water retention in my face at this dose but that's about it. The lower BP numbers are nice too.

I'm currently with a woman I love very much and my shit libido is now a problem that she's brought up. She's very supportive and knows "it's not her", though part of her cant help but think that way, which is totally understandable. I'm kind of at a loss for what to do. I think I have to face the potential fact that my libido issue is at least partially psychological as I can still get things going solo. Though I do have low sensitivity which is very real and wasn't so much a problem at other dosages. It takes me a while and lots of focus. Anxiety creates low libido, which creates anxiety, rinse, repeat. Lame.

Ok, enough of my problems.

My blood work over the last 4 years hasnt shown anything particularly out of whack. E2, SHBG, DHT, protlactin, T3, T4, etc. etc. No major red flags for libido or ED. Tried all sorts of dosages with and without HCG. Tried Mast as as part of a blast and didnt feel any extra kick, though I was running it with deca. Recently tried 75mg proviron, nada. I am on 1.25mg finasteride but the libido issues predated the fina. Regardless, I'm going to drop it for now, just in case.

I've looked through my logs over the last 4 years and the best wood was a couple weeks into lowering my dose from 200 to 120. I know that might be due to the transition in dose and not the dose itself but it's all I've got to try. So, 175/wk it is. I want to throw in this primo i have sitting around as well (300/wk for 16wks). If you think i should run a different test number with this, let me know, (300/300?) Maybe after this I just come off everything completely. My libido was ok before TRT and when i first got on, but seems to have progressively gotten worse over time. I would take my pre trt libido levels over my current situation for sure.

Thanks everyone
 
You want to feel like you want to fuck everything in a 10 mile radious run tren, at least 300 mg but likely better at 600 mg a week.
You will become so depraved youll be holding her head down with your foot as you fuck her ass.
Good luck at getting off though, but what’s better about that is you’ll get angry and then fuck her relentlessly to punish her for not doing a good enough job at helping you get off, lol.

Ok, now for the real answer. Use viagra instead of cialis if you want to get off easier. At least that’s what I find.
And stop beating off, completely.
 
Sorbate said:
You want to feel like you want to fuck everything in a 10 mile radious run tren, at least 300 mg but likely better at 600 mg a week.
You will become so depraved youll be holding her head down with your foot as you fuck her ass.
Good luck at getting off though, but what’s better about that is you’ll get angry and then fuck her relentlessly to punish her for not doing a good enough job at helping you get off, lol.

Ok, now for the real answer. Use viagra instead of cialis if you want to get off easier. At least that’s what I find.
And stop beating off, completely.
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LOL. I dont want to try tren, tbh. Im so prone to sides from aas that im sure tren would be a nightmare. I prefer Cialis to Viagra but libido is more the issue.
 
Try a low dose of tren. Just buy one vial use 150 mg a week. If that is t enough after 2 weeks bump up to 200.
Trust me, you’ll want to fuck.
I had not been that horney since I was like 15. Let’s put it this way, if I wanted to bone a particular woman, well it would have happened, I would have been that determined.
It does something to your brain that bring out the caveman primal urge. You don’t care about feelings, just results, lol.
Well for me anyways. I fucking loved it, I felt like I did in my youth, all fucked up, horney and manipulative to get the results I wanted.
It is not right as a married man to be like that. My wife had beat that out of me 20+ years ago and hated it, so I’ll never run it again.
 
Nixter said:
LOL. I dont want to try tren, tbh. Im so prone to sides from aas that im sure tren would be a nightmare. I prefer Cialis to Viagra but libido is more the issue.
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Oh and streaming porn is the devil. You need to avoid that like the plague.
 
Sorbate said:
Try a low dose of tren. Just buy one vial use 150 mg a week. If that is t enough after 2 weeks bump up to 200.
Trust me, you’ll want to fuck.
I had not been that horney since I was like 15. Let’s put it this way, if I wanted to bone a particular woman, well it would have happened, I would have been that determined.
It does something to your brain that bring out the caveman primal urge. You don’t care about feelings, just results, lol.
Well for me anyways. I fucking loved it, I felt like I did in my youth, all fucked up, horney and manipulative to get the results I wanted.
It is not right as a married man to be like that. My wife had beat that out of me 20+ years ago and hated it, so I’ll never run it again.
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Ive heard insomnia is a common issue with tren. I am SUPER sensitive with insomnia sides. I get it from deca, sarms, higher doses of test, pretty much everything. I wont lie, i've been curious to try it
 
Nixter said:
Ive heard insomnia is a common issue with tren. I am SUPER sensitive with insomnia sides. I get it from deca, sarms, higher doses of test, pretty much everything. I wont lie, i've been curious to try it
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I normally never have a hard time sleeping. So I didn’t notice a ything
 
Sorbate said:
You want to feel like you want to fuck everything in a 10 mile radious run tren, at least 300 mg but likely better at 600 mg a week.
You will become so depraved youll be holding her head down with your foot as you fuck her ass.
Good luck at getting off though, but what’s better about that is you’ll get angry and then fuck her relentlessly to punish her for not doing a good enough job at helping you get off, lol.

Ok, now for the real answer. Use viagra instead of cialis if you want to get off easier. At least that’s what I find.
And stop beating off, completely.
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I find low dose cialis works so long as everything is in balance, once things get out of balance only viagra will do the job.

I have a buddy taking 125mg of tren/wk, as part of a AAS stack, and he notices the effects. I don't think it takes much. I don't know about holding her head down with my foot, that's a bit too much acrobatics for me.

As for the psychology, that's a huge issue, and I would make that a priority. If you're unfamiliar with it google CBT (cognitive behavioural therapy). It is great for recognizing and interrupting those thought patterns that contribute to anxiety (irrational thinking). Plus, if you are stressed about it, she'll pick up on that.

If I were you I'd blame it on the finastride, and move forward from there. Several guys I know felt like crap on that stuff.

Please let us know what works, and I'm sincerely hoping things go well.

One last thing, even though she may know it's not her, there are countless ways to express your feelings for her. There's no need to reassure her, show her. I completely empathize with your predicament, but I'm sure a strong bond will persevere.
 
Harley00 said:
100mg a week is too low for me
120mg is the magic libido number but dont feel as great.
160mg i feel pretty good but libido is off
200mg i feel great and libido is good , but puts me way over range.

These are my very accurate numbers.
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Im assuming these values are for total T and not free T?
Also do you use Arimidex or no?
 
Jayz-23 said:
At 180mg T/wk, what was your E2 if you figure and decided then to run an Ai?
How did you like Aromasin over Arimidex?
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Difficult question to answer, as it can vary from person to person, and it also can vary with the same person, 180mg a week this week could be different then 180mg next week, with regards to estrogen, estrogen can fluctuate day to day.

What i can tell you is i always have let my self get sides from estrogen then deal with it , then do blood work...why?

Because i want to be in tune with my body and be able to figure out what i need , and when i need it.

So on 180mg a week sometimes it would take a month to build up sides, sometimes 2 months. Depends on my food, if there was any alcohol etc.

Typically in that scenario id take 2 (12.5 aromasin) so 25mg and then a week later id do blood work and i was always in the 38- 45 pg so thats pretty empressive to be able to have sides and treat it then see your blood work and no youve made the right decisions on dosages of an ai.

Again the cycle and other compounds refelct this.

I prefer aromasin over Arimidex, but you have to know how to use both, and figure out a dosage protocol, amd most important you need to know when u may need to back off , you rarely cN stay on lets say 0.25 arimidex 2 to 3 times a week forever, eventually it catches up.

My best advice is dial in your trt to 800ng/dl to 1100 ng/dl if you have no sides and feel great and blood work us top quarter in all your hormones, and you blood pressure is great then id say your dialed in.

I wrote this quick as i was going to work so i may have missed a few things feel free to keep it going if you have more questions.
 
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