got new blood work-->fasting blood sugar and blood insulin levels.

Here is what the "specialist" said about my slightly high bad cholesterol and my low insulin/high blood sugar.

* I should add, other doctors have told me yes my bad cholesterol is slightly high, but my good cholesterol is very high and my tryglycerides are 1.00... So they said with those rations, my bad cholesterol levels aren't a worry right now..


The email they sent me:

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Sorry for the delay! I have thought this has sent twice now. so sorry.

I hope you had a good weekend.

While I can't say your doctor is wrong - I would still like to see your cholesterol in better ranges. I understand his perspective about good cholesterol being high, but I still think bergamot would be a great option for you.

You are correct, your pancreas is not producing enough insulin to carry out its usual functions, which causes a plethora of questions - but without knowing exactly what you're eating for every meal for an extended period of time, I'm not able to pinpoint why this is happening.

Adrenaline surges can cause this to happen - which is likely why you feel like passing out while working out. Do you take any pre- workout or anything of the sort?

To be able to track this and gain proper knowledge about what is going on in your body, I would like to have you on a nutrition program with me. It's difficult to sort through the puzzle with only emails and not a well-rounded, week to week check in that we would have on a program. I know you did Ozempic for a month previously and some numbers didn't change, however, a month sometimes is not long enough for the body to regulate. We offer Rybelsus now, which is the oral version of Ozempic. The program is 8 weeks for $450+ tax with me - 1 hour intake and weekly coaching where we review a modified mediterranean diet and hydration - I would need you to track your food and beverage intake and from they maybe some additional supplements, but that all depends on the intake and progress. -and the cost of the prescription for 2 months - I think we need to dig deeper into why this is happening.

Or, we can start bergamot - but for me to follow up properly I would still need you on a proper program as your case requires appropriate time dedicated to you.

What do you think? "




I was very clear with them that I took ozpemic for a month at a low dose and it lowered my blood sugar right away, then it crept up again.. and when I went on the increased dose I had to stop due to low blood sugar issues. So she isn't understanding my ozepmic experiences. Ozempic does help increase insulin production, but I think its still not good for me due to how much it lowers my blood sugars.. I tihnk the only way I could use ozpemic to help my low insulin would be not to eat keto.. but I'm not entirely sure. I'm not opposed to trying it again though.

I feel like an endo would be better to help me.. I asked this nutritional specialist to send me for glucose tolerance test and while they check my blood sugars, they check my insulin at the same times. They have yet to acknowledge me asking for this test. The test give a much better idea of whats happening.

She might be right that my adrenaline in the gym is causing lower insulin, but I beelive that would only cause lower insulin in a very short time frame while I'm working out 3x a week and its not the reason why my insulin levels are low iin genral
 
The private clinic I go through suggested
1) try ozpemic.
2) Switch to mediterian diet with carbs instead of protien/high fat/ low carb diet I have been doing.
3) Take alphalipotic acid (I've been taking 300mg 2x a day for 3 years already though).

They said if I don't want ozempic (and I'd rather not), to try adding cards say 100-150grams a day.. So I have been eating about 100-150grams of carbs a day.

I have in my day 2/3 cup of dry oats, 2 peices of fruit, 1/2 cup cooked wild rice.. These carbs are all taken before dinner.

I told them it would increase my blood sugar quite substantially because I've tried this before.. They said to just try it.. So I've been eating like this for 5 days now..

Today I had breakfast (not many carbs at all) before 7:30 am. Then I went coyote hunting, lots and lots o walking.. I cmae home at 11:30am ate a meal 30grams protien, 20 gram fat and 1/2 cup wild rice.. Then I went with family and cut fire wood from 12:30pm-4pm. Lots of exercise.. When I got home I checked my blood sugars.. 6.8... Adding that small amount of carbs has brought me up that high even though I was cutting wood for almost 5 hours straight and not eating for 5 hours prior to testing.
 
You should try the blood tests homa2%s, homa2%b. Homa2%ir and triglyceride glucose index. I posted about them on another thread but there helpful
 
Been discussing a family members Ozempic experience and that of the gen pop over the weekend, not good to say the least.
I'm on the warpath about this shit now I will freak out on anyone I care about if they bring it up around me from this point on. I was already heavily invested in that stance then the discussion in the link below solidified a few things and put me over the edge. I realize people have issues they are trying to solve beyond just being a little fat but this stuff is doing some serious damage and it seems to be underreported and underexplained. You can't give informed consent if the mechanism behind the action is being purposely clouded over.

 
Bigbear said:
You should try the blood tests homa2%s, homa2%b. Homa2%ir and triglyceride glucose index. I posted about them on another thread but there helpful
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I read your post with those tests. I have a dr appointment this Friday to see what I should be doing. It's a real doctor, not the private clinic non sense. Ill ask if I can have those tests done. thank you
 
gondar1 said:
Been discussing a family members Ozempic experience and that of the gen pop over the weekend, not good to say the least.
I'm on the warpath about this shit now I will freak out on anyone I care about if they bring it up around me from this point on. I was already heavily invested in that stance then the discussion in the link below solidified a few things and put me over the edge. I realize people have issues they are trying to solve beyond just being a little fat but this stuff is doing some serious damage and it seems to be underreported and underexplained. You can't give informed consent if the mechanism behind the action is being purposely clouded over.

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The private clinic knows I won't use ozempic for various reasons.. I'm 15 mins into your video and learning a lot of stuff I didnt know.. fucking sick system we live in..

I'm trying to copy the link for your video to forward it to my buddy.. but it won't let me.. can you send me link?
 
animal-inside said:
The private clinic knows I won't use ozempic for various reasons.. I'm 15 mins into your video and learning a lot of stuff I didnt know.. fucking sick system we live in..

I'm trying to copy the link for your video to forward it to my buddy.. but it won't let me.. can you send me link?
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I guess rumble links a re weird, sent PM but also could try this if it didnt work

Google this
https://
rumble dot
com/c/TuckerCarlson

It's at the top of the page under the All tab
 
I remember a lot of your posts about your blood sugars being a concern, I have to ask though, have you ever considered quitting bodybuilding, going on a full detox and going 100% into a program to reset your body?

I never had issues with blood sugars myself but I did have issues, and when I was on PED's I would always think, ill take this supplement or do this or lower my dose for a few months get it back down and then go back on PED's, I'd think well alcoholics or others have it worse than me so I should be fine with moderately elevated levels. The sad truth is, it never resulted in anything great.

I found a lot of relatives facing similar issues, they're getting to an age where they're starting to get things like diabetes, heart disease, etc. and many are taking medication to delay progression but haven't changed their lifestyle yet, and by that I mean they haven't committed 100% to a healthy lifestyle. Maybe they stopped eating candy or extremely unhealthy foods which is better than nothing but they are progressively getting worse. Every time I see them they're only falling deeper and deeper into their diseases.

A lot of people I talk to bring up, do I want to live like a lion for a short time or a sheep for a long time, or something similar to that analogy, and I think its great when you're young, but when you start getting diagnosed for diseases and health concerns I think it's time to hit the brakes and go 100% into reversing it.

I really think, and this is just my own personal opinion so take it with a grain of salt, but if you went off PED's, even just to a moderate dose of testosterone, perhaps 100-150mg a week, and switched to just eating natural foods (in normal amounts) your blood sugars would normalize over time. It's not without cons though, you will lose muscle, weight, strength, etc. but if it results in being healthy again, it may be worth it to you.

I had most of my strength and muscle, maybe 50% of my peak on PED's by the time I got completely healthy again, but realized I don't need it and have since lost most of my muscle. I am just an average lean person, but maybe that's just how humans were meant to look. It's not like I shrivelled up to sticks and bones, I had abs, was athletic and was able to do about 50 pushup sets, 20 pull up sets and almost unlimited sit ups to where I only stopped when I got bored instead of tired so it's not like you will become weak and fragile. Also I didn't make it a religion or strict, I'd still eat whatever I wanted but this was happening maybe 1 time a week on average, and I wouldn't be crazy with it.
 
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Spoke with my private health care clinic's nutriionitst specialist person..

She bluntly told me to start the convo with (I paraphrased a bit) "I've never in my career seen high fasting blood sugar and low insulin.. I can't make sense of it.. I have gone through all my textbooks and there's nothing in them that can explain it either.. So I can send you for some more blood work and hopefully something shows up, but right now I am connecting with other specialist and my former collegues.. But I have no answers based on the blood work you have done so far. I am limited to what blood work I can send you for, but I'll do what I can"..

So I got blood work tomrrowoo for
Alanine (ALT)
C-reactive protien (CRP)
Creatine
Ferritin
Glucose fasting
Lipid pannel
TSH
HGB
AST
Free T3
Insulin


The only things above I have not had checked recntly or ever is HGB
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This was quite interesting to read, this is typically the case when you get type-2 diabetes. You either get high insulin + high blood sugars, or low insulin and high blood sugar. The latter is when the pancreas' beta cells get desensitized and can't produce insulin anymore, the former is when your cells themselves get desensitized to insulin.

Just to reference here's a quote from diabetes Canada
Type 2 diabetes occurs when the pancreas does not produce enough insulin or when the body does not effectively use the insulin that is produced.
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Definition, Classification and Diagnosis of Diabetes, Prediabetes and Metabolic Syndrome - Diabetes Canada

www.diabetes.ca
 
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Rocky said:
This was quite interesting to read, this is typically the case when you get type-2 diabetes. You either get high insulin + high blood sugars, or low insulin and high blood sugar. The latter is when the pancreas' beta cells get desensitized and can't produce insulin anymore, the former is when your cells themselves get desensitized to insulin.

Just to reference here's a quote from diabetes Canada

Definition, Classification and Diagnosis of Diabetes, Prediabetes and Metabolic Syndrome - Diabetes Canada

www.diabetes.ca
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Out of those two things you mentioned, would one of them (or both) involve extreme tiredness after a meal by chance:unsure:?
 
Rocky said:
This was quite interesting to read, this is typically the case when you get type-2 diabetes. You either get high insulin + high blood sugars, or low insulin and high blood sugar. The latter is when the pancreas' beta cells get desensitized and can't produce insulin anymore, the former is when your cells themselves get desensitized to insulin.

Just to reference here's a quote from diabetes Canada

Definition, Classification and Diagnosis of Diabetes, Prediabetes and Metabolic Syndrome - Diabetes Canada

www.diabetes.ca
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I'll try to respond in the next few days.. I'm irratated because I tried the new doctor in town and it was just a terrible experience and waste of time.. We are so short doctors that you need to book almost 1.5 months for an appoitnment.. Just pissed I wasted my time with him and waited all that time for an appointment.
 
Tom Simons said:
Out of those two things you mentioned, would one of them (or both) involve extreme tiredness after a meal by chance:unsure:?
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Actually a lot of things can cause tiredness after a meal, you would need blood tests to see if you have diabetes.
 
animal-inside said:
I'll try to respond in the next few days.. I'm irratated because I tried the new doctor in town and it was just a terrible experience and waste of time.. We are so short doctors that you need to book almost 1.5 months for an appoitnment.. Just pissed I wasted my time with him and waited all that time for an appointment.
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Sorry you had to go through that, I found a lot of the doctors to be not very knowledgeable or even care about patients. When I was going through my own health problems I was first referred to a local specialist. He literally did nothing and said to just wait and see. I wasn’t okay with that, my diagnosis was extremely bad and I asked my doctor to send me to Toronto General Hospital. It was night and day, they had all these operations lined up and said I was dead if I didn’t do them and if it got any worse I’d have 1 year to live max.

Not sure where you are located but if possible I’d go to whichever main hospital is close to you to see their doctors. I honestly think I’d be dead right now if I stuck with the doctor in my local hospital.
 
Rocky said:
Sorry you had to go through that, I found a lot of the doctors to be not very knowledgeable or even care about patients. When I was going through my own health problems I was first referred to a local specialist. He literally did nothing and said to just wait and see. I wasn’t okay with that, my diagnosis was extremely bad and I asked my doctor to send me to Toronto General Hospital. It was night and day, they had all these operations lined up and said I was dead if I didn’t do them and if it got any worse I’d have 1 year to live max.

Not sure where you are located but if possible I’d go to whichever main hospital is close to you to see their doctors. I honestly think I’d be dead right now if I stuck with the doctor in my local hospital.
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Is it too private to ask what was wrong?
 
Rocky said:
This was quite interesting to read, this is typically the case when you get type-2 diabetes. You either get high insulin + high blood sugars, or low insulin and high blood sugar. The latter is when the pancreas' beta cells get desensitized and can't produce insulin anymore, the former is when your cells themselves get desensitized to insulin.

Just to reference here's a quote from diabetes Canada

Definition, Classification and Diagnosis of Diabetes, Prediabetes and Metabolic Syndrome - Diabetes Canada

www.diabetes.ca
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I'll try to make it super short.

The private clinic tested my fasting insulin.. I've never had it tested before.

Fasting bloods came back high and fasting insulin came back low. I was told I was prediabtiex with type 2 becaue my age, blood sugar etc.. I was told type 2 is when your inslunin receptors get burnt out because your diet caused your body to pump out too much inslin over the years in order to keep your blood sugar in check.. I never questioned this.. I lost weight and tried everything to lower my blood sugar. IT did get better, but over the last year it has crept up to be worse then it was before I lost weight, went keto etc.. didnt; make sense.

anyways the clinic didn't know what to say and told me they've never seen low insulin and high BS before. They said (and I read) if you have type 2, they expect high BS and high insulin bc insulin is being over produced to lower the blood suagr, but recptors suck..

They recommended ozempic and a mediterean diet with carbs.. and they said there is food I can eat that will help pancreas produce insulin..

I declined ozempic based on past experience.. I declined their offer of 450$ to work with their nutritionist simply because I don't need their expertise and they openly say they have never worked with someone with low insulin and high blood sugar.


So I went to a real doctor to get insight.

When I went in, the guy bascially laughed at me and the clinic saying you never ever test insulin except in juvineile diabetes. The dr is right from india and really had a hard time with english.. He couldn't understand why that clinic would test insulin and he didn't understand I had blood work done under them.. he thought the clinic was just a person who did diets.. I kept explaining too him they did blood work, prescriptions etc. IT wasn't good..

But he bascially laughed off that my body isn't producing inslunin and said it all comes down to my A1c and inslunin does not matter unless you are juvenille.. I told him about my A1c rising etc.. he insisted I've never had it tested based on my file.. We argued for a few mins abotu me actually having my A1c ever tested.. he got a bit angryr saying his computer would show it, but there's nothing.. So I sat there in his offcie on my cell logging in and loading my blood work while he continued to get angry about they never should have tested insulin etc.. I had terrible reception but finally I got my blood work on my phone and showed him how I had Al1 done tons of times and as recent as 4 months ago.. fucking guy spelt the test wrong on my file when he searched for it lol... I saw him look at my phone, look at his screen, see his spellig mistakes, fix the mistake and find my tests in the sereach funciton lol.. guy not once apologized despite being pretty angry with me..

Long story short he said he needed to test A1c again and a coupel other things to determine if I was diabetic or not and if I was, having low insulin did not matter..

Funny thing is that every single thing he wanted to test was tested 1.5 months ago.. but he still insists I do them again.. actually everything he wanted to test has been tested every 6 months for 3 year and the levels of each have stayed consistant except my blodo sugar.

Then he went through my file and told me I need to stop taking synthroid.. he said my tests show my thyroid is fine.. he showed me my T3 levels and TSH etc.. I told him "yes.. those results are good because I was on synthroid".. he wouldn't listen and kept saying "your levels are fine.. you don't need synthroid... I can see all your TSH and fre T3 tests and you are fine".. man alive it was some arguing with me telling him to check the dates.. the TSH and ft3 are good because I was on synthroid lol.. fucking idiot took forever to realize the tests he was looking at was when I was on the meds..

he also told me when he was tellign me I need to get off synthoird that I can't just stop it cold turkey or I could end up in the emergncy room lol..

I even told him when I lift weights, I get symptoms of low blood sugar when doing to failure heavy compound movements like squats, dead lights etc.. he was a little guy, 55-60sh years old and right from india.. I explained this to him and he explained to me back how lifiting weights will not cause low blood sugar.. you can tell he has no concept of what extreme I put my body in when I lift weights.. he jsut doesn't get it.. He insists I have a blood pressure problem which is causing those symptoms.. I told him thats not true because I started haaving carbs a few hours before I lift now and I don't get those symptoms anymore.. I told him I regularyly check my blood pressure at home and its always better then my 120lbs wife.. I tell him its nearly perfect.. he didn't agree and said I was measuring wrong even though I have the automatic electric cuff thing..

He had me take my shirt off to check my blood pressure sitting there.. I have no idea if this is accurate, but he put the cuff on my forearm and checked my blood pressure several times.. I asked him why the cuff was on my forearm and he said "your upper arm is too big.. it will keep telling me the cuff isn't on right if I do it there.... you can take blood pressure from a forearm"... I was shocked lol.. I have had nurses put the cuff on my arm with no issues lol.. I measured my arms cold when I got home.. 17.5 inches.. google says they fit in a cuff lol..

Either way, sitting there with him after arguing etc my blood pressure was high lol.. and he said "see... you have a blood pressure problem.. we need to look at medication for it".. I Told him "no... this appoiitnment hasn't gone very well.. I'm frustrated with you.. I'm angry.. I've been angrry for the last 15 mins.. so yes its going to be high.. "... He insisted that no I had high blood pressure and I need meds.. I Said no.. he then told me he woudl set me up to wear a blood pressure monitor for a few days.. I told him no.. my blood pressure was fine and i check it regularly at home..

It was just a terrible waste of time.. I left with a requistion sheet to get Alc and CBC done.. It's still sitting in the truck and will likely get thrown out in the next few days..
 
Using the forearm is fine. His standard size cuff likely won’t measure over 15”. My arms are the same size as yours and I had to get the larger cuff for my machine.
On certain machines in Shoppers and such, I have to use my forearm.

As for the rest, my god what a shit show.

I do remember a video where it was recommended to use long acting insulin to give your beta cells a break to recover. Dave Polumbo I believe is who did it.
He started this protocol because so many people were wrecking their beta cells from overuse because of high long term gh useage and insuling resustance.

That may be something to look up?
 
Sorbate said:
Using the forearm is fine. His standard size cuff likely won’t measure over 15”. My arms are the same size as yours and I had to get the larger cuff for my machine.
On certain machines in Shoppers and such, I have to use my forearm.
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weird.. I've been much bigger in the past and didn't need a different cuff..

My wife has a fancy electronic BP monitor that I use often.. It fits fine and has never given any issues..

I had no idea you can use your forearm lol.. I always thought the upper arm was ideal because the arteries run inside your arm and are under fairly soft thin layers where as the forearm arteiries seem to be a bit more protected??

Sorbate said:
As for the rest, my god what a shit show.

I do remember a video where it was recommended to use long acting insulin to give your beta cells a break to recover. Dave Polumbo I believe is who did it.
He started this protocol because so many people were wrecking their beta cells from overuse because of high long term gh useage and insuling resustance.

That may be something to look up?
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Thank you... See I thought the dr would see my low insulin and high blood sugar and have some sort of suggestion, maybe not this.. but something.. or at the min they woudl tell me that they will monitor my insulin and if it continues to go down I may have to use insulin.. I just didn't think something like low insulin would be disregarded.. on my profiel for blood work where the insulin blood test results are, there is a astricks/capitol letters signifying its low..


There was more in that appoitnment i didnt mention lol...

About 7 or 8 years ago I was sent to a neurologist for memory issues, headaches, brain fog, loss of movement in my hands/mouth/toungue, slurred speach etc.. The neurologist did some tests with me and I failed a "Montreal memory test" very badly with him and again with one of his ppl.. So I was sent for a MRI as they had suspiscious of MS type stuff.. Anyways, on the letter my dr back then wrote to refer me to the nuerogist my doc listed these things and also "high IGF-1 levels"... I had above acceptable levels of IGF-1 and I think this was added because my dr was concerned I had a hormone producing tumour in my brain..

Either way, the new doctor was randomly clicking on different tests in my file from years ago and was honestly questioning me about things and giving me the gears about some of it like the synthroid/ft3 tests.. and he happened to click on the refferal letter for the nueroglosit.. he quickly read it and turned to me and said "you don't have acromegaly..."... I said "what??... I never said I did".. The guy went on for 5 mins abotu how he's an expert with acromegaly and how he has had 2 patients in his career he diagnosied with it, but kept repeating "you don't have it" over and over.. I kept saying "I know.. I never said I did".. Then he went on to say "you were reffered to a neurologist for it.. but you don't have it.. I am very good and diganosiing it by appearance.. I could tell when you shook my hand when you came in that you didn't have it"..

It was then I figyured out he read the refferal letter and so I told him "I was reffered to the neuroro for a bunch of other issues, not ffor the IGF-1, but they check that out as well.. I never went there for high IGF-1.. I went for other things".. He just didnt' get it and told me not to worry because I don't have acromegaly.. I don't even think he frigging realized he was lookng at a refferal letter from 8 years ago lol..
 
animal-inside said:
weird.. I've been much bigger in the past and didn't need a different cuff..

My wife has a fancy electronic BP monitor that I use often.. It fits fine and has never given any issues..

I had no idea you can use your forearm lol.. I always thought the upper arm was ideal because the arteries run inside your arm and are under fairly soft thin layers where as the forearm arteiries seem to be a bit more protected??



Thank you... See I thought the dr would see my low insulin and high blood sugar and have some sort of suggestion, maybe not this.. but something.. or at the min they woudl tell me that they will monitor my insulin and if it continues to go down I may have to use insulin.. I just didn't think something like low insulin would be disregarded.. on my profiel for blood work where the insulin blood test results are, there is a astricks/capitol letters signifying its low..


There was more in that appoitnment i didnt mention lol...

About 7 or 8 years ago I was sent to a neurologist for memory issues, headaches, brain fog, loss of movement in my hands/mouth/toungue, slurred speach etc.. The neurologist did some tests with me and I failed a "Montreal memory test" very badly with him and again with one of his ppl.. So I was sent for a MRI as they had suspiscious of MS type stuff.. Anyways, on the letter my dr back then wrote to refer me to the nuerogist my doc listed these things and also "high IGF-1 levels"... I had above acceptable levels of IGF-1 and I think this was added because my dr was concerned I had a hormone producing tumour in my brain..

Either way, the new doctor was randomly clicking on different tests in my file from years ago and was honestly questioning me about things and giving me the gears about some of it like the synthroid/ft3 tests.. and he happened to click on the refferal letter for the nueroglosit.. he quickly read it and turned to me and said "you don't have acromegaly..."... I said "what??... I never said I did".. The guy went on for 5 mins abotu how he's an expert with acromegaly and how he has had 2 patients in his career he diagnosied with it, but kept repeating "you don't have it" over and over.. I kept saying "I know.. I never said I did".. Then he went on to say "you were reffered to a neurologist for it.. but you don't have it.. I am very good and diganosiing it by appearance.. I could tell when you shook my hand when you came in that you didn't have it"..

It was then I figyured out he read the refferal letter and so I told him "I was reffered to the neuroro for a bunch of other issues, not ffor the IGF-1, but they check that out as well.. I never went there for high IGF-1.. I went for other things".. He just didnt' get it and told me not to worry because I don't have acromegaly.. I don't even think he frigging realized he was lookng at a refferal letter from 8 years ago lol..
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Yeah I remember your threads on that.

I think maybe write down what the tests were for and what you were going for and then have him read it over to understand before moving on. I know you don't have a ton of different doctors to choose from so you may need to get him up to speed.

Yeah its frustrating. Did you try and find that video yet?
 
@animal-inside I’m sorry to hear you’re going through so much nonsense with the healthcare system. This must be really frustrating for you. I got upset just from reading about your experiences. I truly hope you get to the bottom of this. Please keep us posted.

What @Sorbate mentioned about gh use long term really got me thinking. Do you think it might’ve contributed? Or maybe the better question would be if you’ve used gh for a very long time at high doses.

@Sorbate what is considered a high dose? 6iu to 9iu? Also, is long term anything over 6 months or 1 year or 2+ years? I’m gonna do some digging on this. Thanks for mentioning it.
 
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