Your First Cycle
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Done deal. This thing has always been a stick in my craw
Maybe @gondar1 or @silentlemon1011 can be the pro test only side as well. I went back to old threads to see who was recommending test only and saw you guys. Again I’m not calling you out so please don’t take it that way. If I tagged you it’s cause you’ve been here a long time and I think you’d represent the pro test side of the discussion well because your smart. I’m just trying to find someone willing to have this discussion with @3ml because I really wanna read it too, and can be great for newbies trying to make their mind up reading this “first cycle” thread.
Harley00
The Rebel
@Cumminstech2 The only benefit to running test only as beginner is to dial in your side effects ,then add in other compounds 1 at a time.if it only takes a week to figure that out then add away.
Im doin test and rad 140 ,i aromatize easily found that out 250mg a week test turns me to ballon.thank fuck for good ai 0.6mg aromasin cleared it so im prob lookin at E04 0.6mg aromasin ,now that i know that i can add the rad.so yeh i agree with you.but i still think you shoukd tun test for week or 3 to test estrogen sides before you add more stuff ,just helps you identify your body properly? Yeh yeh you gonna tell me to eat a dick @3mlbasically add 1 thing at a time,and control each compound ,
i thought this would be the most cautious way to go. cycles arent written in stone. you got 12 weeks. gives you a bit of time to test thing out.
Nice work
I honestly think most people just say it because it’s been said so many times...now it’s just gospel for some reason. I’d love to hear more reasons than just so you know how your body reacts to test. Again that alone for many reasons I disagree with
Test Enanthate is nothing like running test suspension, or prop or ace
Harley00
The Rebel
Im actually gonna do a 15 16 week cycle ,my first time i wanna rip shit up, im old and never been big, i am starting slow ,but thats because i wanna no which each compound does but im gonna add more within this 15 16 weeks , id love to do primo for 20 weeks but i aint ever gonna afford that lol
I disagree. I believe sides are cumulative
its not more cautious. im saying its your cycle you can do what you want and still be cautious. you can change the gear, dosage and duration. you can start at say 250mg test and after a month you think "i should have done 500mg." switching to 500mg or adding something else or whatever wont fuck anything up. ya, why not 8? ive cut cycles short because looking like a god is good enough for me.
i think he’s saying you’d get the same sides from test as you would from test and other things as well, so dealing with it would be the same either way wether it’s test only or not
Side effects add up over time.
Take 150 mgs of anadrol for 1 day nothing will happen
Do it for a week you will start to gain weight/ water
Do it for 3 weeks you may start to have gyno issues and even more water retention
do it for 8 weeks water retention will be very pronounced, maybe have elevated liver values
Do it for six months you will probably be feeling toxic, bloated, maye gyno etc
I really don’t understand your reply my friend??? You said it was more cautious but now you say it’s not more cautious
Harley00
The Rebel
Hmmm,thats interesting theroy and @3ml has a ton more experience then i ,but id almost have to disagree with that? Some sides could be diffrent according to what drug tour taking wouldnt you think ? @Cumminstech2 for instance i do test only ,figure out how i react, then next cycle do same test and add npp, am i going to have same sides if i take the same test as last cycle or diffrent sides ?
Of course every drug has different side effects. But the same could be said for test
Man you are saying in previous posts you need a week to see what the sides are like that’s not nearly enough. Again side effects add up over time. Cholesterol, liver values, RBC etc
Sorry I'm late.
You already answered the question in one of the earlier posts though. There are probably lots of minor reasons that could be argued but they all lead back to fitting under the umbrella of the main one.
Test is one of the naturally occurring "PED's" and as such lends itself to be well and simply used for various enhancements. We know a fair bit about it so it feels safe, we can tell ourselves we are just bumping up the levels of something natural. Being naturally produced takes away one variable from the equation compared to something foreign to the system. It's the simplest AAS to apply as a therapy. etc etc All of these could be easily argued for and against by someone with a decent grasp on the subject matter so I won't hang my hat on that part.
I recommend it because of the simplicity and familiarity factors. It's the King of Male Hormones most other AAS are derived from it and have side effects that are harder to follow, measure and understand. None of that matters if you happen to be one of those lucky fellas that can just slam whatever compounds without any (apparent) complications. But if you are not that lucky taking a systematic, logical, scientific approach can save a TON of grief.
I could give you a bunch of examples of how we use that approach in all kinds of other situations from cooking to mechanical work, electrical work, bomb making, even sex
, I'm sure you know what I mean though. So yeah, Test first so you know how you will react to Test. Barring some real bad shit happening inside you it's always gonna be a factor.
Didn't really come to debate though, you said something along the lines of 'I only ever hear one reason - so you know how you react to test'.
I agree, that's basically it and that one reason is a strong enough one for me. I would even agree that holding back on other compounds is likely holding back on physical development in most cases (how much is another topic) but there are advantageous and disadvantages to both ways and as always it's a personal thing.
Cheers
What I more meant was for figuring out how to deal with your estrogen conversion. Wether your on test or test and dbol, your gonna deal with estrogen the same way. By taking an AI and a serm (if you start to get gyno or something like that)
so you’d deal with it generally the same way on test only as you would with anything else or with things added ontop of your test.
Harley00
The Rebel
@3ml i think i said a week or 3 weeks.and that prob aint enough ither
And i agree theres more sides that one cannot see other then how he feels. Like the liver and heart ,hdl ldl etc. Hell its my first cycle what do i know lol , iv always just done things my way ,lol i cut aromasin up into 6 pieces and only take a piece when i think i need it , thats just me.
And i agree theres more sides that one cannot see other then how he feels. Like the liver and heart ,hdl ldl etc. Hell its my first cycle what do i know lol , iv always just done things my way ,lol i cut aromasin up into 6 pieces and only take a piece when i think i need it , thats just me.
lol, I started typing after your post before this one, came back inside to find a pile of new posts
EDit - PS That's definitely a call out
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