Improving sleep quality

I'm currently using those supps. What doses are you using? I'm doing melatonin 5mg and magnesium 400mg with my last meal.
Weed definitely has helped me in the past, but I haven't used it in years. I absolutely hate being high. It takes me through a rollercoaster of anxiety. I might consider giving it a try though
Try an edible. More of a relaxing body buzz not as much a head thing. Easier especially if you’re not a smoker.
 
@BanditNOLIMIT wow man that sounds heavy! Thank you for sharing. I have learnt a lot from your sleeping issues threads to be honest, I am going to be following closely how you evolve with this, I am pretty sure that having 100+ episodes in one sleep cycle must be very serious for your brain function. I feel that your life will change drastically for good after getting your machine.

Do you think this is especially tied to your PED consumption or your weight gain? Or in your case you always felt that something was not in situ?
 
I think it's from chemicals and plastics that we ingest in our lives. Apparently the brain just stops sending a signal to keep the airway open. You can be big,small man woman doesn't matter
 
@BanditNOLIMIT wow man that sounds heavy! Thank you for sharing. I have learnt a lot from your sleeping issues threads to be honest, I am going to be following closely how you evolve with this, I am pretty sure that having 100+ episodes in one sleep cycle must be very serious for your brain function. I feel that your life will change drastically for good after getting your machine.

Do you think this is especially tied to your PED consumption or your weight gain? Or in your case you always felt that something was not in situ?
Likewise man, creating this thread has been so rewarding. There are endless people here to thank. Before starting the thread, sleep apnea wasn't at the forefront of my head. Every time I ran that idea by anyone, the first question always was "Do you snore?". The answer being "No" so everyone always told me it's not sleep apnea right out of the gate, despite suffering from just about every other symptom. I would have continued experimenting with supplements, sleep hygiene, therapy, etc, assuming I was dealing with some sort of psychological issue.

As for the root cause, it's hard to say. My father had sleep apnea but we always chalked that up as a result of lifestyle choices (over weight, eating habits, etc). My sleep issues do correlate with beginning my PED use. That being said, they've evolved over time. In the beginning I would only lose sleep after a leg day or heavy deadlift session. I assume those days we're a result of over stimulating the CNS. It's only been over the past year or so that i've been experiencing more of the sleep apnea symptoms. Basically i've come to the conclusion that its a mixture of being predisposed, weight gain, PEDs, stress. Perhaps if some of those factors were removed I wouldn't be dealing with this.
 
I think it's from chemicals and plastics that we ingest in our lives. Apparently the brain just stops sending a signal to keep the airway open. You can be big,small man woman doesn't matter
interesting perspective, never thought of that. Im quite conscious of this nowadays, for example glass dishes & stainless steel bottles, but obviously it's nearly impossible to avoid entirely. Even then, the first 20 years of my life did not put any thought into this so there was definitely a ton of exposure that could be effecting me now.
 
I think it's from chemicals and plastics that we ingest in our lives. Apparently the brain just stops sending a signal to keep the airway open. You can be big,small man woman doesn't matter
Maybe that or genetic. My mom is 100 pounds and snores so bad that multiple surgeries before cpap didn’t even help her. The cpap does though but she has a hard time keeping it on. Some peoppe just have poorly designed throats.

Another thing that might work for a lot of people if they don’t have nasal issues is order some “hostage tape” and tape your mouth. Some people have avoided cpap by doing that
 
Maybe that or genetic. My mom is 100 pounds and snores so bad that multiple surgeries before cpap didn’t even help her. The cpap does though but she has a hard time keeping it on. Some peoppe just have poorly designed throats.

Another thing that might work for a lot of people if they don’t have nasal issues is order some “hostage tape” and tape your mouth. Some people have avoided cpap by doing that
The doc offered a mouth guard thing to me, apparently it pushes your jaw forward which opens the airway up. He said it may or may not work. Didn't bother going that route
 
Congrats on the diagnosis, not great that you have sleep apnea but it is great that you will be able to properly deal with it now.

I dont want to create any expectations but for me it was a 1 week lurning curve to get used to sleeping with the CPAP, mainly just managing the hose if you toss from side to side and on/off to piss at night. Once you figure out your technique its smooth sailing and you will never want to sleep without it.

A tip: start your first nights on days off incase you have a bad sleep or two. My first night was shit and i had to go to work next day and i was a zombie so didnt use it again until the weekend. Then was ok and used it daily for about 1 year now

I had a rock solid 6 hour sleep last night followed by a 2 hour nap after breakfast. CPAP is a real life changer.
 
Congrats on the diagnosis, not great that you have sleep apnea but it is great that you will be able to properly deal with it now.

I dont want to create any expectations but for me it was a 1 week lurning curve to get used to sleeping with the CPAP, mainly just managing the hose if you toss from side to side and on/off to piss at night. Once you figure out your technique its smooth sailing and you will never want to sleep without it.

A tip: start your first nights on days off incase you have a bad sleep or two. My first night was shit and i had to go to work next day and i was a zombie so didnt use it again until the weekend. Then was ok and used it daily for about 1 year now

I had a rock solid 6 hour sleep last night followed by a 2 hour nap after breakfast. CPAP is a real life changer.
thanks for the tips man!
I didn't think to ask the doc, but approximately how long was the lead time on receiving yours? Anyone else able to chime in on this?
 
thanks for the tips man!
I didn't think to ask the doc, but approximately how long was the lead time on receiving yours? Anyone else able to chime in on this?

It might depend on which one you get. I have the Resmed AirSense 11, and if I remember correctly took a couple weeks, maybe a month, but I'm a bit foggy on this memory for some reason. This was a year ago though so ETA may be better or worse now 🤷‍♂️
 
without going off on a rant, I got my CPAP machine after 2 weeks of chasing the clinic and ultimately just submitting the prescription myself.

Last night was my first night with the machine. As expected, my sleep wasnt the greatest due to discomfort. Admittedly, I didn't set myself up for success seeing as I had to train (legs) later in the evening than im used to. I spent 6-7 hours in bed, it took me about an hour to fall asleep and woke twice through out the night. When I woke during the night, things were different than I'm used to however. Instead of waking up in "fight or flight" with my heart pounding/racing, I remained relaxed. This morning I'm not experiencing the grueling headache that i'm used to. As for fatigue, I'm still feeling it. I imagine i'm quite sleep deprived so that will likely take some time to recover from.
 
Hey all

My greatest set back in my bodybuilding endeavors is certainly sleep quality. I've been making it my mission for upwards of a year now to improve it. Though I've made great improvement, it's far from perfect. I'm starting this thread to bounce some ideas around, maybe others have experienced similar issues and resolved them.

I know in most cases stimulant use is likely the culprit. I haven't consumed a single MG of stimulants in several months, so I can rule that out right out of the gate.

What I've observed is that my sleep is significantly worse on training days. When it comes time to hit the hay, my CNS still feels jacked up. This results in me waking roughly 5 times during the night, never fully getting into a deep sleep. On rest days, I sleep much deeper and only wake once, maybe twice (to pee). I also feel much more rested after those nights, obviously. I train at 4-5pm, and typically aim to be in bed at 8pm. This doesn't give me a ton of time to "whine down". I should also mention that I work a rotating shift. When I'm working afternoon shift, sleep is quite a bit better. I'm able to train much earlier in the day which allows me to avoid the issue for the most part. Some days I'll still have sleep struggles while on afternoon shift, but that's usually related to other stresses.

Any how, has anyone else ever struggled and overcame this? Or is this something I'm just going to have to deal with? Would love to hear some thoughts.
valerian root. for natural the best ever. 500mg - 1000 mg also trazadone is real good but more on the synthetic side
 
valerian root. for natural the best ever. 500mg - 1000 mg also trazadone is real good but more on the synthetic side
That is way too much trazodone. Even under in-patient supervision, the max is 600mg. It's probably one of the best sleep aids for various reasons, but you should stay around 50 mg HS.
 
Try an edible. More of a relaxing body buzz not as much a head thing. Easier especially if you’re not a smoker.
Weed is bad for REM cycle, while it might help you fall asleep initially it fucks with the quality of your sleep. I would opt for CBD instead and find a dose that works for you, avoid THC for sleep.
 
300 micrograms of melatonin has been much more effective than 3-50mgs of melatonin. Without building a dependency to it.

Mk677 has been the biggest game changer for me. Hgh would prolly do the same.

Getting 3-5mins of direct sunlight exposure right after waking up is one of the most important things.
 
Mirtazapine is OK. Have to be extra cautious with anything that effects serotonin though
 
Weed is bad for REM cycle, while it might help you fall asleep initially it fucks with the quality of your sleep. I would opt for CBD instead and find a dose that works for you, avoid THC for sleep.
this 100% my sleep and circadian rythem is so fucked and i smoke daily barley 1g
 
valerian root. for natural the best ever. 500mg - 1000 mg also trazadone is real good but more on the synthetic side
Actually just picked some of this up today. Caps are dosed at 500mg each. Would you reccomend starting at 1 cap or just jump to 2?
 
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