Skinless chicken breast old school mentality?

ajfromab

ajfromab

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I’m talking to a friend of mine , his wife has various degrees in nutrition, she owns a supplement business , we have been talking proteins . I let slip how much I hate chicken now form my days of eating 7-10oz of it everyday when I was putting on muscle . Anyways she tells me , that most of the nutrients are actually in the skin and the bones , and that skinless chicken breast is kind of a misconception for putting on solid muscle . She referenced a doctor by the name Dr. Mark Hyman . I did a bit of brief reading, I am however by no means an expert when it comes to nutrition.
I get most of my diet advice from peers , or guys I trust. So I’m putting the question out to you guys . What are your thoughts on this? Have I been eating chicken wrong my whole life? Are the benefits actually better ? Or is the old school mentality the way to go on this one.


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lol I’ve eaten chicken breast as my main source of protein..
People around me who are ifbb pros have been eating chicken breast
People coached by Chris aceto and Patrick tuor and Jansen have been eating chicken breast

“nutritionist” asked my friends mom who is in chemo and had a heart attack in the icu
If they know if their mom prefer “jello or pudding”

I’d stay the fuck away from that perosn and let them do whatever they think is best
And you do your thing
 
FitTrader said:
lol I’ve eaten chicken breast as my main source of protein..
People around me who are ifbb pros have been eating chicken breast
People coached by Chris aceto and Patrick tuor and Jansen have been eating chicken breast

“nutritionist” asked my friends mom who is in chemo and had a heart attack in the icu
If they know if their mom prefer “jello or pudding”

I’d stay the fuck away from that perosn and let them do whatever they think is best
And you do your thing
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Hahaha yeah I don’t know some of the “nutritionist “ they always be telling me everything I know is wrong . But when you put it like that it makes it clear haha


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I'm not sure about the nutrient profile of the skin but, the bones turned into bone broth blows chicken breasts nutrient profile out of the water in terms of micronutrients.

Of course we need the protein from the meat itself but, if you made broth from the bones and added the chicken in youd have a much better situation than the breast alone.

She's not wrong
 
Novitec said:
I'm not sure about the nutrient profile of the skin but, the bones turned into bone broth blows chicken breasts nutrient profile out of the water in terms of micronutrients.

Of course we need the protein from the meat itself but, if you made broth from the bones and added the chicken in youd have a much better situation than the breast alone.

She's not wrong
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While I agree that bone broth is incredible from a nutrient perspective for many reasons... She's 100% wrong if she said that "chicken breast is a misconception for putting on muscle" at nearly 8g/oz.... It's a great source of protein.
 
“Nutrients” is a subjective term.

so a statement such as the skin has a better nutrient profile may be true….. however that doesn’t mean that any food is truly good or bad.

it depends on what you are looking to do….. and what your doing with it and for what reason. Many miss this part or speak in too general of terms here.

chicken breast is a great protein source. But may lack in other areas.

weinow that “traditional”. bodybuilding style diets can be largely deficient in a solid nutrient profile. This could essentially damage progress if you were widely deficient in certain things your body needs.

Generally a nutritionist is going to look at cramming chicken breast as a situation that is not ideal from a broader scope so your are t lacking things your body needs.

So while the statement isn’t exactly correct. There is some degree of truth…. However not in, and of itself.

you have to look deeper into the diet as a whole and observe if you are lacking in other areas as a result of stuffing in the lean protein that chicken breast provides.

think, macros, micros, minerals, vitamins…. Traditionally bodybuilding focuses on the macros only and it could be robbing you of things you need to not only grow…. But function.
 
FitTrader said:
lol I’ve eaten chicken breast as my main source of protein..
People around me who are ifbb pros have been eating chicken breast
People coached by Chris aceto and Patrick tuor and Jansen have been eating chicken breast

“nutritionist” asked my friends mom who is in chemo and had a heart attack in the icu
If they know if their mom prefer “jello or pudding”

I’d stay the fuck away from that perosn and let them do whatever they think is best
And you do your thing
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The “food” served to patients in a hospital is absolutely ridiculous. It probably deserves a thread of its own.
 
gondar1 said:
you fucking guys took all the good answers
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word....lol..Good answers and i agree and don't with the nutrition aspect...
lol....Bones and cartilage and marrow etc have a strong role in health etc, BUT the breasts are full of lean protein amino acids, almost the full profile, not as good as whole eggs or red meat like beef and elk etc. , we can get micronutrients, collagen and minerals elsewhere, or like me, Take the bones and skin and ligaments and gristle and make an awesome soup.. Fill with organic veggies and meats. I never waste the bones. I will vacuum seal, truth be told..
My wife vacuum seals for me all the bones and cartilage, i freeze it all in deep freeze, then every couple Sundays i pull them out and low simmer for many hours. I break the bones into pieces for full absorption, then chuck the bones, skin etc out and have a great broth. I get some benefits from this and feel good as i waste very little...
Two part answer.
 
Bignate said:
While I agree that bone broth is incredible from a nutrient perspective for many reasons... She's 100% wrong if she said that "chicken breast is a misconception for putting on muscle" at nearly 8g/oz.... It's a great source of protein.
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Oh no that's a completely ridiculous statement! Jesus christ I totally missed that part of the post lol.
 
Ok I can only go on what I do at work.

When making sausage and when you are trying to get a very firm protien bind (this is where you extract the meat protien so it can surround the water, fat and unbindable products, like hearts) I find these meats in this order have the best protein bind contents. Better protien bind to me means better protein or higher useable content.

So from best to worst

1. Wild game
2. Beef/bison
3. Pork
4. Turkey
5. Chicken

As a note chickens protein binding ability is so poor the protein will only surround and encapsulate water and fat at half the rate of beef and pork.
Beef and game by far has the strongest protein binding capability.

So it has always been my thought that chicken protein is the lowest form of protein you can eat. I also believe people are really missing out when they only eat boneless and skinless product. You need the tendon, skin, bone nutrients to rebuild your connective tissue. Who wants weak tendons or weak joints?
Same goes for beef or pork. Eating super lean only muscle meat, you are losing out on a lots of important building blocks.
So I think the nutritionist isn’t incorrect at all.

Building muscle isn’t just about building muscle tissue, you need a whole system to be able to handle that extra muscle tissue.

I wonder how many torn tendons were from bodybuilders eating so “dry”?

All I know is I have always eaten everything and I have zero joint tendon issues usually and I work my body pretty hard.
 
Sorbate said:
Ok I can only go on what I do at work.

When making sausage and when you are trying to get a very firm protien bind (this is where you extract the meat protien so it can surround the water, fat and unbindable products, like hearts) I find these meats in this order have the best protein bind contents. Better protien bind to me means better protein or higher useable content.

So from best to worst

1. Wild game
2. Beef/bison
3. Pork
4. Turkey
5. Chicken

As a note chickens protein binding ability is so poor the protein will only surround and encapsulate water and fat at half the rate of beef and pork.
Beef and game by far has the strongest protein binding capability.

So it has always been my thought that chicken protein is the lowest form of protein you can eat. I also believe people are really missing out when they only eat boneless and skinless product. You need the tendon, skin, bone nutrients to rebuild your connective tissue. Who wants weak tendons or weak joints?
Same goes for beef or pork. Eating super lean only muscle meat, you are losing out on a lots of important building blocks.
So I think the nutritionist isn’t incorrect at all.

Building muscle isn’t just about building muscle tissue, you need a whole system to be able to handle that extra muscle tissue.

I wonder how many torn tendons were from bodybuilders eating so “dry”?

All I know is I have always eaten everything and I have zero joint tendon issues usually and I work my body pretty hard.
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That’s interesting , what’s your thoughts on moose meat and deer meat ? Is that a protein suitable for muscle building? Or when you say wild game are you talking about something else . Also since your a butcher what would you say is the best meat at the counter a guy can get for his buck


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Wild meat, IE moose, deer, elk, bison, are some of the best sources of whole food protein one can take in. Good from an organic standpoint, IF IN THE MOUNTAINS, AND DEEP BUSH, on the prairies these animals eat grains and herb and pesticides. I have seen some nasty things from grain fed wild game i never see in the wilds.
The fat is healthier and a nice yellow color full of omega 3's. Protein profile has full amino profile.
Wild game has a very different energy when consumed as well, not in the head imagining this, lol..It is a very common feedback on wild game.
I can go on a nd on, but that's the basics. Don't waste your bones and fat and cartilage etc, great broths..
 
ajfromab said:
That’s interesting , what’s your thoughts on moose meat and deer meat ? Is that a protein suitable for muscle building? Or when you say wild game are you talking about something else . Also since your a butcher what would you say is the best meat at the counter a guy can get for his buck


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Just read Ironwill's answer.
Game is number one.
Beef being a close second IMO.
Ground is your best bank for your buck. Cheapest way to get meat protein.
 
Sorbate said:
Ok I can only go on what I do at work.

When making sausage and when you are trying to get a very firm protien bind (this is where you extract the meat protien so it can surround the water, fat and unbindable products, like hearts) I find these meats in this order have the best protein bind contents. Better protien bind to me means better protein or higher useable content.

So from best to worst

1. Wild game
2. Beef/bison
3. Pork
4. Turkey
5. Chicken

As a note chickens protein binding ability is so poor the protein will only surround and encapsulate water and fat at half the rate of beef and pork.
Beef and game by far has the strongest protein binding capability.

So it has always been my thought that chicken protein is the lowest form of protein you can eat. I also believe people are really missing out when they only eat boneless and skinless product. You need the tendon, skin, bone nutrients to rebuild your connective tissue. Who wants weak tendons or weak joints?
Same goes for beef or pork. Eating super lean only muscle meat, you are losing out on a lots of important building blocks.
So I think the nutritionist isn’t incorrect at all.

Building muscle isn’t just about building muscle tissue, you need a whole system to be able to handle that extra muscle tissue.

I wonder how many torn tendons were from bodybuilders eating so “dry”?

All I know is I have always eaten everything and I have zero joint tendon issues usually and I work my body pretty hard.
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I'm in agreement that there is a lot of good stuff in animals that we simply don't eat much of as a society anymore. All that connective tissue is actually really good for us.. Bone marrow as well.

Yes the protien is in the meat, but all the other stuff isn't.

Think of our people who lived before say 1960.. Those people ate the chicken.. not the breast, they at the whole chicken.. They made broth with the bones.. They had no idea the nutrition they were adding to their diet by doing this.. they did it for flavour I believe. Same with beef.. they boiled the bones, ate the marrow, didnt' shy away from the shanks (so much connective tissiue in there).. Now in our highly selective diets, you get people eating only breasts and then going out and paying 30$ for a bottle of shark catriliage or glucoasiane..

My grand parents scratched their heads at people getting a gym membership lol.. back in their day there was so much manual labour involved in existing.. We've removed that manual labour and now pay trainers, memberships, treadmills etc to get it back
 
animal-inside said:
I'm in agreement that there is a lot of good stuff in animals that we simply don't eat much of as a society anymore. All that connective tissue is actually really good for us.. Bone marrow as well.

Yes the protien is in the meat, but all the other stuff isn't.

Think of our people who lived before say 1960.. Those people ate the chicken.. not the breast, they at the whole chicken.. They made broth with the bones.. They had no idea the nutrition they were adding to their diet by doing this.. they did it for flavour I believe. Same with beef.. they boiled the bones, ate the marrow, didnt' shy away from the shanks (so much connective tissiue in there).. Now in our highly selective diets, you get people eating only breasts and then going out and paying 30$ for a bottle of shark catriliage or glucoasiane..

My grand parents scratched their heads at people getting a gym membership lol.. back in their day there was so much manual labour involved in existing.. We've removed that manual labour and now pay trainers, memberships, treadmills etc to get it back
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That may be one of the reasons why our grandparents are now living into their 90's. I wonder if future generations will?
 
Good points AI, one thing i may disagree on a bit. I worked manual labor most of my time growing up until a little over a decade ago. I still went to the gym. I never saw one person that looked like i do back in the day, not one.

The gym has many benefits we do not get from manual labor. I know your point and i agree with all you said.

I had my grandparents and many older folks say, well...If you still have energy for the gym after work done today, you did not work hard enough...LOLOl... And off to the gym i went.
I hauled cord wood, 100s of cords each winter with horses and sleigh not little blocks like most do today four foot blocks to make a nice 4 ft x 4 ft x 8 foot piles to measure cords. We sold it and had woodstoves in barns and shop and home for heat. Still do.....

Bucked it all up with an old AR John deere with the saw on front and big old open belt crossed over, as dangerous as any equipment you will find.
Seasoned for 1 year and split that shit all up...
I was one of the best arm wrestlers in the country at the time Qualified for the worlds and could not go unfortunately. I would have done very well my good friend in superheavy got 3rd in the world , and i never lost to him once over the years......

But did not look like i do now, and i was strong, but now i am stronger.
I am digressing and blabbing on, but there is a point.

I hunted for most of our food, i stacked square bales all day and into the night, thousands each summer. When we were done ours, we went to the neighbors and helped there, i still do this. Then i haul hundreds to my horses trailer load at a time and then haul for neighbors.
Then i had 3 trades tickets all manual labor stuff millwright, pulling wrenches and heavy lifting, ironworker, Heavy lifting, climbing and lots of grunt work, hands like gloves from callouses and heavy duty welder not as labor intense, but had its moments yarding around big iron all day.

I never looked like i do now, until the gym started. I would not have been in as good of shape joint and tendon wise without the gym IMHO, the work i did is tough on the body from an ergonomic standpoint.
 
ironwill said:
Good points AI, one thing i may disagree on a bit. I worked manual labor most of my time growing up until a little over a decade ago. I still went to the gym. I never saw one person that looked like i do back in the day, not one.

The gym has many benefits we do not get from manual labor. I know your point and i agree with all you said.

I had my grandparents and many older folks say, well...If you still have energy for the gym after work done today, you did not work hard enough...LOLOl... And off to the gym i went.
I hauled cord wood, 100s of cords each winter with horses and sleigh not little blocks like most do today four foot blocks to make a nice 4 ft x 4 ft x 8 foot piles to measure cords. We sold it and had woodstoves in barns and shop and home for heat. Still do.....

Bucked it all up with an old AR John deere with the saw on front and big old open belt crossed over, as dangerous as any equipment you will find.
Seasoned for 1 year and split that shit all up...
I was one of the best arm wrestlers in the country at the time Qualified for the worlds and could not go unfortunately. I would have done very well my good friend in superheavy got 3rd in the world , and i never lost to him once over the years......

But did not look like i do now, and i was strong, but now i am stronger.
I am digressing and blabbing on, but there is a point.

I hunted for most of our food, i stacked square bales all day and into the night, thousands each summer. When we were done ours, we went to the neighbors and helped there, i still do this. Then i haul hundreds to my horses trailer load at a time and then haul for neighbors.
Then i had 3 trades tickets all manual labor stuff millwright, pulling wrenches and heavy lifting, ironworker, Heavy lifting, climbing and lots of grunt work, hands like gloves from callouses and heavy duty welder not as labor intense, but had its moments yarding around big iron all day.

I never looked like i do now, until the gym started. I would not have been in as good of shape joint and tendon wise without the gym IMHO, the work i did is tough on the body from an ergonomic standpoint.
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I agree with what your saying, my point was just we have removed many aspects of sociecty that used to keep us healthy for our convicnes and taste.. and in doing so we have to now supplment the benefits of the things we removed.

I did lots of manual labour growing up as well and still got my first gym membership at 16.. my inlsws own a farm and to this day they still say "hey, just come over and help with haying... you won't need to go to the gym".. I've explained that yes haying is good exercise, but it doesn't replace the gym for the purposes I go to the gym.. Told my father in law he's been farming all his life and he's only 150lbs and needs to call me to do a day of heavy square bales so if famring turned people into strong men he would be much bigger than me, not smaller.
 
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