Testosterone Decanoate

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So I will be receiving and reviewing and new product from Dracorex called TRT+. It is a 10ml vial of Testosterone Decanoate dosed at 200mg/ml.

I could really use some help figuring out a dosing schedule and dosage amount equivalent to my current TRT of 100-125mg/week. From what I understand the half life is 15 days so I’m thinking this would be injected every 2 weeks instead of weekly?

I’ve read the dosing protocol online and it is goofy as shit and sound like a hormone roller coaster ride. This is what the Aveed website says....

The recommended dose of Aveed is 3 mL (750 mg) injected intramuscularly, followed by 3 mL (750 mg) injected after 4 weeks, then 3 mL (750 mg) injected every 10 weeks thereafter.

Help! :unsure:
 
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flexappeal said:
So I will be receiving and reviewing and new product from Dracorex called TRT+. It is a 10ml vial of Testosterone Undecanoate dosed at 200mg/ml.

I could really use some help figuring out a dosing schedule and dosage amount equivalent to my current TRT of 100-125mg/week. From what I understand the half life is 15 days so I’m thinking this would be injected every 2 weeks instead of weekly?

I’ve read the dosing protocol online and it is goofy as shit and sound like a hormone roller coaster ride. This is what the Aveed website says....

The recommended dose of Aveed is 3 mL (750 mg) injected intramuscularly, followed by 3 mL (750 mg) injected after 4 weeks, then 3 mL (750 mg) injected every 10 weeks thereafter.

Help! :unsure:
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That's all I found in all my CPS's as well. That would be wonky for sure. I would try every two weeks.
 
Isnt undeconate the ester that the body actually can actually break down and destroy before the eater is released since it is so long?
 
Cheapshot said:
Isnt undeconate the ester that the body actually can actually break down and destroy before the eater is released since it is so long?
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Haven’t heard about that. TUD is big in Europe for TRT so it you’d think it has merit.

Also this is the decanoate ester and not Undecanoate.

Great contributions so far peeps!
 
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I’ve been using Test Decanoate for about a year now when I cruise. 200mg every 10 days is ideal for me. I’d certainly recommend every 10 days for an injection protocol
 
Beothuk said:
I’ve been using Test Decanoate for about a year now when I cruise. 200mg every 10 days is ideal for me. I’d certainly recommend every 10 days for an injection protocol
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I agree with the 10 days. testosterone enanthate has an elimination half-life of 4.5 days and a mean residence time of 8.5 day. By the same scale Test D elimination 1/2 life if 7.5 days and mean time if 14.


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flexappeal said:
Haven’t heard about that. TUD is big in Europe for TRT so it you’d think it has merit.

Also this is the decanoate ester and not Undecanoate.

Great contributions so far peeps!
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I totally misread that. Deconate would work good at 10 days imo and would put you in the 140-180 range every 10 days to match what you have now
 
Always wanted to try this stuff out. Saw it in a Pharmacy in Philippines when I was there for 2 months, but the price point was INSANE. Could get 6 vials of ugl test for same price lol.
 
Really curious about undecanoate. Supose to convert less into estrogen, anyone can relate to this?
 
Beothuk said:
I’ve been using Test Decanoate for about a year now when I cruise. 200mg every 10 days is ideal for me. I’d certainly recommend every 10 days for an injection protocol
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When I did the prosum I did well with great gains with every 2 weeks....i hate lots of shot.
But every 10 days is still nice.:)
 
flexappeal said:
So I will be receiving and reviewing and new product from Dracorex called TRT+. It is a 10ml vial of Testosterone Decanoate dosed at 200mg/ml.

I could really use some help figuring out a dosing schedule and dosage amount equivalent to my current TRT of 100-125mg/week. From what I understand the half life is 15 days so I’m thinking this would be injected every 2 weeks instead of weekly?

I’ve read the dosing protocol online and it is goofy as shit and sound like a hormone roller coaster ride. This is what the Aveed website says....

The recommended dose of Aveed is 3 mL (750 mg) injected intramuscularly, followed by 3 mL (750 mg) injected after 4 weeks, then 3 mL (750 mg) injected every 10 weeks thereafter.

Help! :unsure:
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Please clarify;

You are looking to stay within the same range of plasma blood levels that your current TRT puts you in, correct?

What ester are you using now?

100-125/week is a large variance, please pick a number for the purposes of this discussion.

Based on that number what is your protocol? How much and how often?

There are already a few answers here that seem sensible at a glance but it would be good to have some concrete numbers to work with. I'll have some more comments about 1/2 lives and such once you answer.
 
gondar1 said:
Please clarify;

You are looking to stay within the same range of plasma blood levels that your current TRT puts you in, correct?

What ester are you using now?

100-125/week is a large variance, please pick a number for the purposes of this discussion.

Based on that number what is your protocol? How much and how often?

There are already a few answers here that seem sensible at a glance but it would be good to have some concrete numbers to work with. I'll have some more comments about 1/2 lives and such once you answer.
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Currently running 100mg of Test Cyp every 7 days.
 
OK this may ruffle some feathers but here we go....

First off I dispute that we should be using 15 days as the half life, that may well be accurate if we are just looking at a single dose in isolation but that is pretty much never the way we are looking at it. IMO we should be discussing Terminal 1/2 life as that is what is relevant if you are trying to figure injection frequency or when to start PCT. I think I laid out my views on the subject fairly well here -

https://www.canadianbrawn.com/threads/steroid-graph-graph-your-cycle.484/#post-5548

If you do not accept that premise you may as well stop reading now because everything from here on is based on it.

As such I generally would accept the numbers provided on the "About" page of the https://steroidcalc.com . Decanoate shows 7.5 days, I have seen other sources that say 7-12 days here is one -https://academic.oup.com/jcem/article/90/5/2624/2836761 . Another point is that the steroidcalc program displays mg's released daily which I find ambiguous at best, I want to know what the actual levels are in my blood plasma. This can be swayed by many factors such as carrier oil used, size of the bolus, qualities of the tissue receiving the bolus etc. I find the steroidcalc program just fine for a quick and dirty visual representation of what's happening but it has it's limitations.

The spreadsheet I use and prefer predicts the following blood plasma levels, each number reps a daily value, I worked them out so they come in near your trt levels but you'll have to make the final decision of course

T-CYP 100mg/7days (5 day Terminal 1/2 life):
1251 ng/dl1089 ng/dl948 ng/dl825 ng/dl718 ng/dl625 ng/dl544 ng/dl 1251 ng/dl1089 ng/dl948 ng/dl825 ng/dl718 ng/dl625 ng/dl544 ng/dl

T-DECA 140/10days (7.5 day Terminal 1/2 life):
1234 ng/dl1126 ng/dl1026 ng/dl936 ng/dl853 ng/dl778 ng/dl709 ng/dl 646 ng/dl589 ng/dl537 ng/dl

T-DECA 160/12days (7.5 day Terminal 1/2 life):
1265 ng/dl1154 ng/dl1052 ng/dl959 ng/dl874 ng/dl797 ng/dl727 ng/dl 663 ng/dl604 ng/dl551 ng/dl502 ng/dl458 ng/dl

T-DECA 200/14days (12 day Terminal 1/2 life):
1212 ng/dl1144 ng/dl1080 ng/dl1019 ng/dl962 ng/dl908 ng/dl857 ng/dl 809 ng/dl763 ng/dl721 ng/dl680 ng/dl642 ng/dl606 ng/dl572 ng/dl

T-DECA 170/14days (9.5 day Terminal 1/2 life)(splits the difference between 7 & 12):
1231 ng/dl1144 ng/dl1064 ng/dl989 ng/dl919 ng/dl855 ng/dl795 ng/dl 739 ng/dl687 ng/dl638 ng/dl593 ng/dl552 ng/dl


As I mentioned there are already a few sensible answers here that would work just fine, this is just an attempt to help you find your preferred range.

PS- I drank a little bit for the first time in eons tonight, there is a possibility I will edit the fuck out of this later :)
 
biguglynewf said:
I don’t understand what you are asking here. Can you clarify?
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Not sure how to explain it, but the ester is actually so long that most of the testosterone doesn't get used. I was under the impression it was actually too long for the body to use it properly
 
Cheapshot said:
Not sure how to explain it, but the ester is actually so long that most of the testosterone doesn't get used. I was under the impression it was actually too long for the body to use it properly
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if that where the case it would seem that the 100's of labs using it as one of the testosterones in test sust would be wrong. possible but seems unlikely
 
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