Dorian Yates: Genetics; not just hard work

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This article (with video clips) is quite interesting, basically shows Dorian Yates’ first couple years starting out and how important of a role genetics and hyper response to anabolics play for Mr. O-like physiques. As much as we’d love to believe; hard work alone WILL NOT make you Mr. O… lol.
Good read anyways,
 
Id take that with a grain of salt coming off that page
It’s pretty easy to look up the info ; most of it seems accurate from what I double checked! I’m sure there’s some theatrics and over verbalization at times from this guy but besides a couple obvious sponsor driven biases- most of his info is pretty good.
 
Genetics definitely play a role.but Genetics are drive, motivation, etc. Not just muscle. I mean come on we all know that one kid in high school that would never hurt a fly. We aren't gonna turn him into mma champion. I had this conversation with a guy not to long ago about fighting and how some guys have a few martial arts belts but they just dont have that killer insticnt. You cant train that. So they dont make it.. your either hunter or the food. You decide...haha

The thing that set dorian apart from everyone was actually his mind. He had a stronger mind, a stonger will. The guy basically lived in isolation knowing when he came out of the dungeon he won.
 
Genetics definitely play a role.but Genetics are drive, motivation, etc. Not just muscle. I mean come on we all know that one kid in high school that would never hurt a fly. We aren't gonna turn him into mma champion. I had this conversation with a guy not to long ago about fighting and how some guys have a few martial arts belts but they just dont have that killer insticnt. You cant train that. So they dont make it.. your either hunter or the food. You decide...haha

The thing that set dorian apart from everyone was actually his mind. He had a stronger mind, a stonger will. The guy basically lived in isolation knowing when he came out of the dungeon he won.
I’m not disagreeing with you there; from the sounds of it he didn’t even have any bit of a social life when he trained for Olympia that’s literally all he lived and breathed I’ll never try to take away from his hard work ethic; which is part of the cocktail that makes a champion. Right? But I still feel as hard as I go even the next 15 years straight; even if I got the best coaches and the best gear and maintained a strict diet for over a decade; I probably won’t look anywhere close due to genetics and my lesser response to muscular stimulation leading to hypertrophy; I just wouldn’t be able to grow at that level with my pretty plain genetics
 
Blood and Guts is good.
Dorian Yates was on several podcasts too in the recent years. I like his new way of thinking about health in general but he talks about his bodybuilding days and the dedication he had. How his childhood was and a lot more.
 
I’m not disagreeing with you there; from the sounds of it he didn’t even have any bit of a social life when he trained for Olympia that’s literally all he lived and breathed I’ll never try to take away from his hard work ethic; which is part of the cocktail that makes a champion. Right? But I still feel as hard as I go even the next 15 years straight; even if I got the best coaches and the best gear and maintained a strict diet for over a decade; I probably won’t look anywhere close due to genetics and my lesser response to muscular stimulation leading to hypertrophy; I just wouldn’t be able to grow at that level with my pretty plain genetics

Without knowing you or having tracked your progress, or evaluating your potential I'm still inclined to agree, and that is not an asshole comment, but a realistic estimation of the small % of those out there who are capable of rising to that level. It's the same for professional athletes. The majority of remarkable athletes that rise to that level is a tiny percentage, and keep in mind the difference in numbers for those who are competing to be drafted to a major league sports team.

Also, focus and strict dedication is also partly genetic. One of my professors in university was brilliant, but extremely grounded, and brutally honest, for which I have a lot of respect responded to a comment a student made following a pep talk of sorts on setting and realizing goals. Know yourself, understand your potential, and strive to actualize that in the face of adversity and setbacks. One student made a comment afterwards that anyone can achieve anything so long as they believe in themselves and work hard enough. To summarize the professor, the majority of nobel laureates are not geniuses, but that doesn't mean anyone can achieve what they were capable of achieving. The same goes for exceptional ability in any field. Not everyone has such potential. That's not to say that one cannot achieve remarkable goals, but don't deceive yourself. By the time you make it to university you should have a solid grasp of your potential.

I agree wholeheartedly. The same goes for athletics. Of course there will be a tiny percentage of outliers, but by and large I'm of the opinion that by a certain age one has a solid grasp of their potential. Although this is may seem like a reflection on academics, elite athletes are not much different. They are specialists in their own right, and their physical capability is exceptional. The majority of people, 99.9% are not special snowflakes. Achieve that which makes you great, but be honest with your potential and limitations.

As a hypothetical, if you were able to be the next Ronnie Coleman, but the price would be winding up in the same current state would you want that? He achieved his own greatest, but the cost is not worth it. In 25 years he will barely be known. Now, what if the offer was live a life with the level of greatest as that of Muhammad Ali, knowing the eventual outcome? That life was truly exceptional, and I would have a hard time passing up that opportunity.

Apologies if I digressed a bit off topic, but it's all related. I regard bodybuilding, as a professional pursuit, punishing, isolating, and in general the risks do not equal the rewards, but that's just my opinion. Perhaps I'm too practical.
 
Im gonna be honest and say I didnt read it. Only because the man worked his ass off to achieve his goal. Watch blood and guts. Sorry, that wasnt genetics. That was dedication and hard work.
I guess Ronnie to huh?
I guess that means any of us can live in a bubble for a period of time, and come out of the hyperbolic time chamber with Ronnie gains lol? !!! Just joshing around with you @superbeast I'm sure we agree ; the thread is just to acknowledge the importance of genetics
 
Lol, it was the head banging era. High tops and skin tight jeans with long hair. I don’t know how many times some lady taped me on the shoulder and said, “excuse me miss”., fuck that used to piss me off.
I think that would have been 1987?
I owned a 1969 chev 1/2 ton with a 350 then. Bench seat, which I was happy about because it’s tough to fuck on bucket seats when its 30 below in the winter. Summer, I had an air mattress (which was held down by a spare tire, and a sleeping bag behind the seat, because the mosquitos were merciless and would bite your balls, lol. Had to cover up after driving in the bush someplace to do it.

My next vehicle was a 1979 Caprice Classic. Velvet seats, it was huge, like a bed on wheels, lol.
 
I actually envy you sorbate; my mom was born in ‘73, my grandparents were hippies , my mom was a metal head, chicks my age these days listen to shit music and dress and act so fuckin fake, I was born after my time
 
I guess that means any of us can live in a bubble for a period of time, and come out of the hyperbolic time chamber with Ronnie gains lol? !!! Just joshing around with you @superbeast I'm sure we agree ; the thread is just to acknowledge the importance of genetics
Who knows? Maybe?
Look at the way these two trained. I think it is a safe bet you will never walk into any gym and see anyone training with that type of intensity.
Sure some people respond better.
But look at Dorian before and after his career. He is not naturally huge. He learned how to get the most out of his training. Knew how to use his drugs which i bet included a ton of gh and humalin R....these guys went to the extreme and put their bodies though hell. If its all genetics, why did they train so much harder than most?
 
Who knows? Maybe?
Look at the way these two trained. I think it is a safe bet you will never walk into any gym and see anyone training with that type of intensity.
Sure some people respond better.
But look at Dorian before and after his career. He is not naturally huge. He learned how to get the most out of his training. Knew how to use his drugs which i bet included a ton of gh and humalin R....these guys went to the extreme and put their bodies though hell. If its all genetics, why did they train so much harder than most?
It’s not all genetics at all and I never said it was! Even a basic training regimen and diet plan is work for most. Throw all of that to an extreme with heavy drug protocols ; I can’t imagine many would be able to stand it. It takes blood sweat and tears, like any sport. Super beast I’d bet you are an intense lifter in the gym; which I can always appreciate and respect. I try to keep my head down and do my time when I train. I don’t like busy gyms with lots of people
 
It’s not all genetics at all and I never said it was! Even a basic training regimen and diet plan is work for most. Throw all of that to an extreme with heavy drug protocols ; I can’t imagine many would be able to stand it. It takes blood sweat and tears, like any sport. Super beast I’d bet you are an intense lifter in the gym; which I can always appreciate and respect. I try to keep my head down and do my time when I train. I don’t like busy gyms with lots of people
Yeah i know you didnt, i am arguing with the article itself now that i read it. Lol
I am same. Like the gym when it is mostly empty. Thats why i go early morning. I dont socialize much either. I go pretty hard, but i see lots of guys that do but they dont look like it. I think their problem is it stops when they leave the gym. Food, rest sleep , food, food. Haha. Very rare anyone sees me outside the gym when i am not eating. Very picky with my food too. I dont eat for fun.
 
Yeah i know you didnt, i am arguing with the article itself now that i read it. Lol
I am same. Like the gym when it is mostly empty. Thats why i go early morning. I dont socialize much either. I go pretty hard, but i see lots of guys that do but they dont look like it. I think their problem is it stops when they leave the gym. Food, rest sleep , food, food. Haha. Very rare anyone sees me outside the gym when i am not eating. Very picky with my food too. I dont eat for fun.
Eating is the part that sucks.
My staff laugh about my oats and protien powder every morning. Or gruel, lol.
 
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