biguglynewf
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Ok your just argueing for the sake of arguing and trying to show your science / chemical knowledge, I was speaking on a normal level cuz I’m not going to become a chemistry teacher every time I answer something. Because the truth is, some things in bodybuilding that science would indicate works or doesn’t work, has the opposite effect in real life. And some things in bodybuilding go against what the science says and doesn’t really make sense, but it happens and people call it bro science but it’s actuallt just an accumulation of knowledge that people in the juice game come to know after awhile. Such as saying cyp and enth are the same... or saying some labs just put enth and prop together and call it sust, or 5mg f winny in a 20mg anavae tab and call it var. or the fact that you can take 2 people, one take Serostim and the other underground hgh, and give them however much they need until they both have the same blood levels yet the guy in Serostim will grow exponentially greater. Even though the science will say their the same. The great thing about bodybuilding is that you can’t just put your nose in a book and come out knowing more than a guy whose been in the game for decades. I’ll take real life knowledge and experience over textbook knowledge in bodybuilding any day. Some of the greatest and smartest body builders on the planet have never picked up a science textbook. Juan Morel can’t even read but I’d take his diet tips over a nutritionist with a PHD if I wanted to lose weight or add muscle. So if your relying on science for everything your going to be greatly disappointed with your results in bodybuilding.
If they give the same effect, and no one can tell the difference and they’re used interchangeable then yes, it’s acceptable to say their the same. If you want to get super technical just to show ur knowledge and pick at every inconsistency in someone’s statement then yea your right their not the exact same. People say yams and squash are the same... id take that as accurate cuz I’m not going to get picky about things and turn this board into a science class. So sure your right, on a scientific level where you want to pick at the differences, even though it makes no difference, yeah your right.... but I’m still gonna tell people their the same, cuz not everyone cares about the molecular structure lmao.
As for cyp not being accurately dosed because most labs can’t get it to hold at 250mg. That’s correct because I’ve spoken to a half dozen labs who have all told me they can’t get it to hold at 250. I’ve also seen posts of people who got their cyp tested and it was 175-200 not 250. So the knowledge I’ve accumulated over a decade in the juice game, is where I get off saying that. And I would put money on the fact that if u got 20 labs “cyp 250” and tested it, most if not all of them would be below 200. There’s a reason the pharmacy grade stuff is never dosed about 200mg even though some men take more than 200per week and would benefit from a 250 or 300mg shot, where they coukenjust take 1cc per week, but the doctors give them more than 1cc , like 1.2 or 1.3 is what a few people I know get, I personally am prescribed just 1.1 per week so a higher mg bottle would be beneficial but we don’t get that because the pharmaceutical stuff is only made 200.
The ONLY difference that’s noticeable to the naked eye is that some people claim they hold more water on cyp. Once again, personal experience, people I’ve spoken with the last ten years, and even some pros or amateurs that have blogs or YouTube channels have made this claim. So this , like my other claim, comes from experience and talking with people.
Nice deflection. But it work work here. You can’t cherry pick information, semi apply it where it fits for you and then call it an argument.
You also can’t discount science just because you don’t understand it. I recognize why you attack it though. Still despite what you say, it doesn’t discredit it and the fact that your statements are flawed and incorrect.
And I’m sorry..... as you said in your post.... personal experience accounts for a whole lot. I agree with that. I also will say that one of the biggest mistakes most do with the limited amount of science that can be applied in this area is take it and try to apply it in a bodybuilding or human scenario when that was not what was looked at or worked on.... so most times that doesn’t work. However that is not the case here. So again it doesn’t fit.
So when you say things like.... well the guys I talk to told me..... sorry.... hearsay and speculation. You have no independent knowledge of such things by your own admissions and are only parroting information others have told you. And just because an amateur or pro says something on YouTube, doesn’t make it correct. You know this.
Maybe you should think about things like what I’ve been actually a part of over my time and experience. Lol. If you knew more about the history here, you might better understand why this is really funny. You may also wish to consider that what I am saying comes from first hand actual experience and not from what others have told me and/or is well documented somewhere.
Regardless, I know nothing I will ever tell you mean anything so carry on sir. It really doesn’t matter and Im growing increasingly tired these days.