Convince me I can take a cycle safely

3ml said:
Listen to Dave Palumbo everyone thinks is so smart.
I could tear apart a lot of shit he says. I had to stop watching him.

You never explained what you mean with Primo being subtle?

I’ll take a stab at it....
Is it subtle because you don’t pile on a bunch of water weight and glycogen to give you the false sense of gains? Is it subtle because most of your gains with primo are actual muscle? Is it subtle because it won’t hammer you with UN wanted side effects?
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Just watched a video from Greg Doucette on primo. Good stuff! I’ve probably watched 20 of his videos this weekend 😅
 
I like test only and even do it now after 30 years . Currently on 250mg test a week. Why? Cause your body naturally produces testosterone. Take a test dose that are double triple or quadruple your natural production and you’ll be pleased. Your body doesn’t naturally produce other shit.
 
3ml said:
Listen to Dave Palumbo everyone thinks is so smart.
I could tear apart a lot of shit he says. I had to stop watching him.

You never explained what you mean with Primo being subtle?

I’ll take a stab at it....
Is it subtle because you don’t pile on a bunch of water weight and glycogen to give you the false sense of gains? Is it subtle because most of your gains with primo are actual muscle? Is it subtle because it won’t hammer you with UN wanted side effects?
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This here is the truth.
It’s funny but so many people a few years into cycling love to ‘feel’ the effects of gear.
If they don’t blow up and gain 10 lbs of water weight in the first month there is something wrong, and to be fair all of us may have been there at one time.

But primo is strong, just not in the blow up water weight strong.

Unfortunately I don’t think I can run primo or mast anymore, reduces my pee flow now. Fuck you Mother Nature, lol.
 
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Sorbate said:
This here is the truth.
It’s funny but so many people a few years into cycling love to ‘feel’ the effects of gear.
If they don’t blow up and gain 10 lbs of water weight in the first month there is something wrong, and to be fair all of us may have been there at one time.

But primo is strong, just not in the blow up water weight strong.

Unfortunately I don’t think I can run primo or mast anymore, reduces my pee flow now. Fuck you Mother Nature, lol.
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Excess DHT is stored in the prostate so it swells while on cycle. it should go back to normal 8-12 weeks after stopping. Does your flow go back to normal after you stop?
 
biguglynewf said:
Did he add in free advice in how to best rat out your friends or become a CI for the RCMP?
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Uh oh, I don’t quite know the politics yet. What happen there? He is entertaining when he is yelling through my TV but I wasn’t aware of what you mentioned.
 
I’ve heard that primo is 4 times the cost is this true? I have also heard that a lot of suppliers sell fake primo. But what do I know.
 
Rubicon said:
I’ve heard that primo is 4 times the cost is this true? I have also heard that a lot of suppliers sell fake primo. But what do I know.
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Used to be the case but with a lot of good labs out there not so much anymore.

We can't discuss pricing but yes it can be quite expensive.
 
Rubicon said:
Good to know! Is there a YouTuber you would recommend?
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I think I mentioned above...

John Meadows
Jordan Peters
Dante Trudel
Fouad Abiads podcasts (he has a bunch of guests on)

*I've definitely missed a bunch here, thats just off the top of my head. maybe others can chime in*

Generally those are some of the most respected in this industry. You might not be able to find much from those guys on the open web talking about gear though... usually have to pay for access to their members site.

You can get a 7day free trial to trainedbyjp's app, you should be able to watch all vids and get all the info you need in those 7 days! Highly recommend.
 
Rubicon said:
Ok bit of a click bait title. there’s some info about me on my introduction.

Basically wanting to do one or two cycles of 500 mg test for a 12 weeks. With Nolvadex as PCT. and possible Arimidex during cycle. ( Doing more research on the Arimidex currently)
There’s information on how you can do a cycle or two and keep some gains. Get your hormone levels in check after cycle with assistance from pct. and live a happy life living natural.

and of course there’s other info on either never getting your levels back in check and or experience heavy side effects weather it be from hormone levels or the pcts themselves.

or furthermore becoming addicted to the gains and always needing a little test weather that be cruising constantly or just keep cycling.

I am new to this but have been researching my ass off for the past couple months and am curious what you guys have to say. I know what I want the answer to be, but I have to listen to what’s the truth, or what the evidence is of other people who have experienced it first hand. Sorry if this has been asked before. Thanks.
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Any reason you're set on 500mg? If this is your first cycle you should use less, like 250mg test, along with a bit of dbol, like 20mg/day, and your primo. If you want your hormones to bounce back I would recommend getting some HCG. Two shots per week, 250iu each, a 5000iu bottle will last you 10 weeks. You can delay the HCG until the 2nd or 3rd week, which allows you to time it such that your cycle is finished before the hcg. An AI and some nolva and you're all set. For a lighter cycle why not use aromasin? It's mildly anabolic and is better on your lipids.

Dbol isn't for savages, lol, it's a great compound, and I always felt great on it. It certainly stands out. To give you some context of not needing a lot. I had a training partner way back, decent sized guy, 6'1, 225lbs. One 6 week cycle of dbol, 25-30mg/day and that guy gained 50lbs. Believe me or not, I don't care, and I'm definitely not suggesting you can replicate those results, b/c he had fantastic genetics, was a seasoned athlete, and our training was brutal. But, even myself, my first cycle was just dbol, and I easily gained 25lbs.

I'm also not suggesting a dbol only cycle, and think you have the right idea, but if it were me I'd take less.
 
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I am not going to recommend anything as every on has different goals and reacts differently to various compounds but I will tell you my first cycle and it worked well for me. Test is test ... ester just tells you how delayed the release is.

500 test week 1-4
750 test 5-6
1000 test 7-16
300 tren 6 - 8
600 tren 9-16

Worked fine for me few sides except for tren ... insomnia and night sweats. I don't do orals other than cialis. I don't know why I just start them up and I stop them. At this point in my life where I am old I do 250 test a week, 100 primo, 100 eq .... thats it on this cycle . I feel good. I am lifting well and holding my size.

If you are conservative and are afraid of sides ... use faster esters so you can pull back and reduce effects quickly. If you don't want anything to strong don't do tren or anadrol. If you do a cycle do one substance at a time for 4-6 weeks see how you like it, then add something else for 4 -6 weeks see how that is and so forth.
 
pgmunn said:
I am not going to recommend anything as every on has different goals and reacts differently to various compounds but I will tell you my first cycle and it worked well for me. Test is test ... ester just tells you how delayed the release is.

500 test week 1-4
750 test 5-6
1000 test 7-16
300 tren 6 - 8
600 tren 9-16

Worked fine for me few sides except for tren ... insomnia and night sweats. I don't do orals other than cialis. I don't know why I just start them up and I stop them. At this point in my life where I am old I do 250 test a week, 100 primo, 100 eq .... thats it on this cycle . I feel good. I am lifting well and holding my size.

If you are conservative and are afraid of sides ... use faster esters so you can pull back and reduce effects quickly. If you don't want anything to strong don't do tren or anadrol. If you do a cycle do one substance at a time for 4-6 weeks see how you like it, then add something else for 4 -6 weeks see how that is and so forth.
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C'mon guys, I can understand maybe adding 1 additional compound to your first cycle like primo as @3ml suggested..... but Tren?
 
ABMonkey said:
C'mon guys, I can understand maybe adding 1 additional compound to your first cycle like primo as @3ml suggested..... but Tren?
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Yeah no fckn way to tren. I wouldn’t shy away from primo. Var. tbol. With test for a first. Still recommend test only. It’s what I can back to even after 30 years of steroids
 
A.B said:
Yeah no fckn way to tren. I wouldn’t shy away from primo. Var. tbol. With test for a first. Still recommend test only. It’s what I can back to even after 30 years of steroids
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Yeah agreed. I added var at the end of my first cycle, works great.
 
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