Convince me I can take a cycle safely

[Sorbate]

Excess DHT is stored in the prostate so it swells while on cycle. it should go back to normal 8-12 weeks after stopping. Does your flow go back to normal after you stop?

About 7-9 days and it goes back to normal.
The flow doesn’t completely stop, just feels like you are peeing with a boner, lol.

 

[Sorbate]

Any reason you're set on 500mg? If this is your first cycle you should use less, like 250mg test, along with a bit of dbol, like 20mg/day, and your primo. If you want your hormones to bounce back I would recommend getting some HCG. Two shots per week, 250iu each, a 5000iu bottle will last you 10 weeks. You can delay the HCG until the 2nd or 3rd week, which allows you to time it such that your cycle is finished before the hcg. An AI and some nolva and you're all set. For a lighter cycle why not use aromasin? It's mildly anabolic and is better on your lipids.

Dbol isn't for savages, lol, it's a great compound, and I always felt great on it. It certainly stands out. To give you some context of not needing a lot. I had a training partner way back, decent sized guy, 6'1, 225lbs. One 6 week cycle of dbol, 25-30mg/day and that guy gained 50lbs. Believe me or not, I don't care, and I'm definitely not suggesting you can replicate those results, b/c he had fantastic genetics, was a seasoned athlete, and our training was brutal. But, even myself, my first cycle was just dbol, and I easily gained 25lbs.

I'm also not suggesting a dbol only cycle, and think you have the right idea, but if it were me I'd take less.

I gained 20 lbs on 25 mg if dbol for 8 weeks,

 

[ABMonkey]

I gained 20 lbs on 25 mg if dbol for 8 weeks,

How much did you keep?

 

[Sorbate]

How much did you keep?

If I had kept training, likely all of it, lol. I gained fat as well.

My second cycle was 300 mg of test a week for 14 weeks, 8 weeks of dbol 25 mg a day and I gained 20 lbs again, but kept all of it that time. After I stopped the dbol, my weight gain stopped, but the water shed as I kept running test, and obviously still gained muscle.

 

[PGM]

C'mon guys, I can understand maybe adding 1 additional compound to your first cycle like primo as @3ml suggested..... but Tren?

I said that is what I did and I was not recommending anything. Read the top part. I also put a warning about tren and drol being strong on a first cycle. Read the full text pls

 

[3ml]

I am not going to recommend anything as every on has different goals and reacts differently to various compounds but I will tell you my first cycle and it worked well for me. Test is test ... ester just tells you how delayed the release is.

500 test week 1-4
750 test 5-6
1000 test 7-16
300 tren 6 - 8
600 tren 9-16

Worked fine for me few sides except for tren ... insomnia and night sweats. I don't do orals other than cialis. I don't know why I just start them up and I stop them. At this point in my life where I am old I do 250 test a week, 100 primo, 100 eq .... thats it on this cycle . I feel good. I am lifting well and holding my size.

If you are conservative and are afraid of sides ... use faster esters so you can pull back and reduce effects quickly. If you don't want anything to strong don't do tren or anadrol. If you do a cycle do one substance at a time for 4-6 weeks see how you like it, then add something else for 4 -6 weeks see how that is and so forth.

Wow that’s a great cycle and I am sure it worked well but I would never recommend that for a new guy

Furthermore, and you probably understand this but since it is in a newbie thread I will point something out.
Test is Test. Yes but this is misleading.
The ester has a weight to it. Longer acting testosterone has much less active hormone per mg than fast acting.
For example
500mgs of Test U vs 500 mgs test suspension...way different experience

 

[3ml]

Fuck my tits.
You guys that still believe Test is best, test is the ideal first cycle
Do any of you know the history of steroids?

 

[A.B]

Fuck my tits.
You guys that still believe Test is best, test is the ideal first cycle
Do any of you know the history of steroids?

Yeah testosterone should be the first AAS to any cycle. Reason listed above: it’s what our body naturally produces. People don’t produce tren. Winstrol. Var etc. I have taken every compound and after steroids for 30 years I’m currently running 250mg of test a week. I’m happy to see people sticking to modest first cycles now though- the common first cycle recommended in the late 90s and early 00 was a test deca dbol cycle. lol

 

[3ml]

This here is the truth.
It’s funny but so many people a few years into cycling love to ‘feel’ the effects of gear.
If they don’t blow up and gain 10 lbs of water weight in the first month there is something wrong, and to be fair all of us may have been there at one time.

But primo is strong, just not in the blow up water weight strong.

Unfortunately I don’t think I can run primo or mast anymore, reduces my pee flow now. Fuck you Mother Nature, lol.

Agreed
Anyone who says primo is weak doesn’t have their shit together or has never actually ran it

 

[3ml]

Yeah testosterone should be the first AAS to any cycle. Reason listed above: it’s what our body naturally produces. People don’t produce tren. Winstrol. Var etc. I have taken every compound and after steroids for 30 years I’m currently running 250mg of test a week. I’m happy to see people sticking to modest first cycles now though- the common first cycle recommended in the late 90s and early 00 was a test deca dbol cycle. lol

Just because your body produces it then that means it’s the best??
Obviously you don’t know the history of steroids, why they were created

The model T was one of the original cars ever made
Does this mean it’s the best?
Or did they improve upon it over the years????

 

[A.B]

Just because your body produces it then that means it’s the best??
Obviously you don’t know the history of steroids, why they were created

lol I’m not saying I’m right and your wrong. I actually agree with a modest testosterone dose because it comes with low sides and adding some primo in. Just stop acting like a kid stomping your foot on the ground because of recommendations of testosterone only cycles. To each there own. Steroids are individual to how they respond and people learn their bodies. That’s what I have done for 30 years.

 

[A.B]

Oh and yes to answer the question testosterone is the best because it’s what your body produces. I think we are doing circles here cause I’m one that usually hits a lower test dose (less than 500mg a week) and higher doses for other AAS

 

[3ml]

lol I’m not saying I’m right and your wrong. I actually agree with a modest testosterone dose because it comes with low sides and adding some primo in. Just stop acting like a kid stomping your foot on the ground because of recommendations of testosterone only cycles. To each there own. Steroids are individual to how they respond and people learn their bodies. That’s what I have done for 30 years.

I’m not acting like a kid at all. I am trying to get people to stop parroting bullshit.
Will test only work? Of course!
Is it the best?
Not a chance

I fully understand steroids are individual. Actually I’ll debate you on knowledge of steroids all day every day. I’m not new to this either as I have been doing it for over two decades

 

[3ml]

Oh and yes to answer the question testosterone is the best because it’s what your body produces. I think we are doing circles here cause I’m one that usually hits a lower test dose (less than 500mg a week) and higher doses for other AAS

That makes no sense
Why is it the best because our bodies produce it?

It is best at what it was designed to do. Make a male function as a male.
It is not the best for muscle building

 

[3ml]

Well said.

Why delete that?

 

[ABMonkey]

Why delete that?

Because I didn't want to end up going tit for tat.

You think what you think. The majority of the bodybuilding world thinks otherwise.

 

[A.B]

That makes no sense
Why is it the best because our bodies produce it?

It is best at what it was designed to do. Make a male function as a male.
It is not the best for muscle building

should testosterone be incorporated in every cycle?

 

[Oldguyjiujitsu]

Fuck my tits.
You guys that still believe Test is best, test is the ideal first cycle
Do any of you know the history of steroids?

For me it’s not about “the best”I think there’s many roads to get you there

I support your theory of moderate to low test plus other compounds. I’m not sure I buy the notion that test is natural because at super physiological doses there are a host of side effects

Low test plus low primo, npp, eq or dhb are all great options.

I don’t see the point of orals. Injectables do everything orals do but less toxic to liver and less harsh on cholesterol

That said my first three cycles were all just test suspension, i got great results, did not blow up like a water buffalo and kept most of my gains. Still one of my fav cycles.

So not sure there is aright answer

PS i also think if people chose a test only cycle it does not have to be 500. I think great gainz can be made in 300mg with less need for an ai.

 

[3ml]

should testosterone be incorporated in every cycle?

It isn’t 100 percent necessary. Many of the old time bodybuilders never touched it and got wonderful results, but I don’t think this is ideal.

Personally yes I’d prefer everyone run it in a cycle. Heavy doses of test can be great but that can come with unwanted sides.
Don’t forget that adding anti e in there is an additional drug and causes additional health concerns

ideally test would be used at a dose to support normal male function. There are far better steroids that build muscle with less sides

 

[3ml]

For me it’s not about “the best”I think there’s many roads to get you there

I support your theory of moderate to low test plus other compounds. I’m not sure I buy the notion that test is natural because at super physiological doses there are a host of side effects

Low test plus low primo, npp, eq or dhb are all great options.

I don’t see the point of orals. Injectables do everything orals do but less toxic to liver and less harsh on cholesterol

That said my first three cycles were all just test suspension, i got great results, did not blow up like a water buffalo and kept most of my gains. Still one of my fav cycles.

So not sure there is aright answer

PS i also think if people chose a test only cycle it does not have to be 500. I think great gainz can be made in 300mg with less need for an ai.

Great post

I agree there are different roads. For me personally I always try to optimize everything I do in life from finances, to production at work and in business. Shit I even plan out the quickest execution in the grocery store.

I agree about the orals. As great as some of them are, why not take the healthier approach.

Test suspension is great. One of my favourite drugs. Kudos to you being able to keep gains as it’s usually depressing to come off of that stuff and watch your strength and size go down.