ah so there's no magic formula that says if you're 12nmol on day 7, you must be 24nmol on day one -- with one shot per week.You could pin more frequently, that's an easy fix. E3.5 or EOD.
Nope not at all. We all metabolize at different rates as well also.ah so there's no magic formula that says if you're 12nmol on day 7, you must be 24nmol on day one -- with one shot per week.
guess it's never that easy.
Hmm you can kind of plot it if you have prior to bloodwork.ah so there's no magic formula that says if you're 12nmol on day 7, you must be 24nmol on day one -- with one shot per week.
guess it's never that easy.
What's the dose that you're injecting and how are you gauging being "low"?Feel great after injection, but after about 5 days I can definitely feel it getting low again.
My understanding is the goal is to be around 26/28 NMOL/L after injection. But how low is too low in the trough?
Priorities here IMO:Feel great after injection, but after about 5 days I can definitely feel it getting low again.
My understanding is the goal is to be around 26/28 NMOL/L after injection. But how low is too low in the trough?
second these statements, I could give a F what the number says but if I have morning erections, feel like I'm 18 in the bedroom, and have good energy I don't care what the number is. That being said, I did blood work mulitple times, 2 days after my once a week shot and on the 6th day approx.Priorities here IMO:
#1 - how do you feel
That's a bit of a joke I guess but my point is there is no "normal".
Treat the symptoms, don't chase the numbers.
Of course the reality of the situation leads us to want to find the numbers and other info like doses and frequencies that are associated with how we feel so we can use them to treat the symptoms
Detailed note taking combined with a few sets of labs will get you there, experience will guide you after that.
ie if a bloodtest that shows 500ng/dl seems to coincide with when you feel the best then you can build a protocol to suit.
That's in a perfect world of course where you have the means to do all that. I don't recall seeing how much you are taking for TRT but regardless for now the easiest thing would be to go to 2x a week as the others have suggested.
I also agree with @IronRobi that it may just be in your mind, which you may either prove or disprove eventually with bloodwork. He and I do disagree about half lives of esters but that convo has been done to death. For your future knowledge it's probably a good idea to read up on that and make up your own mind. Either way doesn't change any of the responses here to a significant degree.
how many MG/week?I don’t like to be below 28 before my next injection.
I prefer 2 times a week on a longer ester.
If it’s prop 123 mghow many MG/week?
This is something that ive wondered. That despite the stated release time based on ester weight ie: Enth say7-10 days, how does ones SHBG factor into what something was supposed to breakdown and release at.... vs how fast our bodies hold onto the hormone and how fast we metabolize it? So if we inject and the release time is 7-10 days but have single digit SHBG, do we burn through that whole shot was quicker than 7-10 days or no the testosterone will still release the same, just when its available to the body, the body burns through it as fast as its given and is never a slow steady release?What's the dose that you're injecting and how are you gauging being "low"?
Using a long ester test which is common for TRT, the half-life typically ranges from 7-10 days depending on the ester. And there are some that are longer as well. Sure you can inject EOD, but it shouldn't be necessary on TRT.
My first thoughts here are either a) your initial dose is too high causing large peaks or b) you're not really low but it's more of a placebo effect knowing you haven't taken a shot in 5 days and you're used to the feeling of being on cycle.
Ultimately, blood work comparison is what would be needed to give proper advice.
From what I've read, and from other's experiences on here it seems that people with low SHBG can manage well on a lower dose than someone with higher SHBG, which makes total sense when you consider that SHBG binds up test. Lower SHBG means that you will have greater amounts of FT floating around. It's not a matter that you 'burn' through a dose any faster. There are many factors that influence uptake, but you will have greater levels of FT floating around, which means greater potential for aromatization.This is something that ive wondered. That despite the stated release time based on ester weight ie: Enth say7-10 days, how does ones SHBG factor into what something was supposed to breakdown and release at.... vs how fast our bodies hold onto the hormone and how fast we metabolize it? So if we inject and the release time is 7-10 days but have single digit SHBG, do we burn through that whole shot was quicker than 7-10 days or no the testosterone will still release the same, just when its available to the body, the body burns through it as fast as its given and is never a slow steady release?
Thoughts on that if you can follow my rambling lol
From what I've read, and from other's experiences on here it seems that people with low SHBG can manage well on a lower dose than someone with higher SHBG, which makes total sense when you consider that SHBG binds up test. Lower SHBG means that you will have greater amounts of FT floating around. It's not a matter that you 'burn' through a dose any faster. There are many factors that influence uptake, but you will have greater levels of FT floating around, which means greater potential for aromatization.
It is also my understanding that those with low SHBG are better suited to more frequent injections, as the more test floating around has the potential for more side effects.
I have higher SHBG, and at a certain point I cannot manage on a low dose. My cut off seems to be around 104mg. That is two shots of 52mg. Any lower and I feel like crap. I've also tried once/wk shots, and while I feel good by the time day 6 & 7 roll around I don't feel as great.
I would urge you to inject twice a week.
@Nixter has low SHBG, and would be someone who could give you insight from his experience.
Shit, that's where my FT was on 140mg/wk. I'm pretty much where you are at with respect to EOD. I think 30mg would be a perfect dose. I always had to use an AI. My E2 bounces around as well, which makes it very challenging to obtain consistency. Like many others have stated, higher doses of test are better when you need an AI, and like many others I too have found most consistency with libido, energy, and mood at lower doses.Ive done 1x wk, 2x, m.w.f, EOD & daily as my SHBG is 11-13 and last labs was 6...
Ive been at 100mg/wk, 120,140 & most recently up to 175mg/wk.
I tried 175 with divided daily and EOD.
They say with low SHBG that more frequent shots are best, but im starting to think its also more about the dose as well, like you mentioned its easy to get a higher free T with low SHBG, but at the same time equates a massive spillover into E2 as well.
I know there is an internet groups that preaches no Ai ever and E2 on labwork is irrelevant and the more E2 the better...
but as much as i want to believe that I didn't feel it worked for me. I felt extremely lethargic and held alot of water and was tough to breathe.
I took some light arimidex dosing and seemed to help a bit, but at that point on 175/wk i jfelt maybe the body needed a break as my free T has been around 868 pmol and i know thats not sky high at all, but over a duration it may not be great. They do have ranges for a reason and I did have a more should mean better. I just cut back to 30mg EOD for approx 105mg/wk about 2.5 weeks ago.
I do feel alot lighter and less lethargy and seem to shed alot of bloat and water, but I also can tell the strength and endurance isnt as much either.
Im more about finding something I feel good at, have energy and a sex drive and erections, as all of that has sucked.
So my luck on trt has been hot or miss to say the least. Ive had great short lived spans but then only seems when changing dose up or down
That's quite the 180 from your low dose protocol (pun intended). Total cheese, I know, but it was the perfect setup.My SHBG is around 24 IIRC. Not crazy low or anything though. I tend to have higher free T though obviously. I recently went down to 75-80mg/wk to see how I felt but it was too low. I felt off. I'm at 180 now, along with 150 Primo and liking it a lot.
I'm terms of injections frequency, I've only ever done 2 or 3 times per week and never noticed a difference between them.
I'm going bet primo will put your SHBG into single digits... it does for mine anyway!My SHBG is around 24 IIRC. Not crazy low or anything though. I tend to have higher free T though obviously. I recently went down to 75-80mg/wk to see how I felt but it was too low. I felt off. I'm at 180 now, along with 150 Primo and liking it a lot.
I'm terms of injections frequency, I've only ever done 2 or 3 times per week and never noticed a difference between them.
I do think Ive felt best with E2 based on labwork around the 80-90 pmol range.Shit, that's where my FT was on 140mg/wk. I'm pretty much where you are at with respect to EOD. I think 30mg would be a perfect dose. I always had to use an AI. My E2 bounces around as well, which makes it very challenging to obtain consistency. Like many others have stated, higher doses of test are better when you need an AI, and like many others I too have found most consistency with libido, energy, and mood at lower doses.
It won't take long and you will adjust to the lighter dose/lighter workouts.