Minimal amount of arimidex needed on light test/tren cycle?

kryogen

kryogen

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Typically on trt 140-160mg I don't use any and it's ok.

Now on 300mg test + 140 tren, I get sore nipples, so I guess I need some form of estrogen control.
I took .25 4 days ago and it fixed it, and now it's back so I took another .25 today.

Like .25 twice a week while on cycle, I think that's a pretty light dose? Opinions? Just adjust to lowest dose that doesn't cause nipple issues?

And when you do you know that you need to take .25 cabergoline too for the tren higher prolactin? How do you know if the issue is e2 or prl creeping up with the tren?

Thanks
 
If you are using adex, just use as needed.
I find it’s easier to just take a bit when the nips get sore that trying to spend the endless adventure f trying to perfect at control.
Also second the mast useage. It works on lower doses.
 
What dose of masteron on 300t?
ive got an open vial of primo so i might just use it like masteron while I have it. Then continue with masteron. Masteron is 3 times cheaper than primo.
 
Oldguyjiujitsu said:
I would add Masteron instead of ai.


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Been thinking of adding a bit of mast towards the end of my cycle, but after reading this thought maybe sooner. I currently run primo and Proviron for similar reasons. Wondering, do you run it low dose as an ai? If so, what do you run? Or do you run higher as 2 birds 1 stone kinda thing.
 
So this is something I have a lot of personal experience with.
Now for the normal user most usual advice is perfect.
But there are some, like myself that have developed major estrogen sensitivity.
If you are one of those people. To properly dial in your E2 and keep it in the proper range, without crashing it. It will require multiple hormone blood tests.

I can start having gyno flare up after one shot of testosterone. Trust me this is true for me. Though that is not always the case.

I did do about 6 hormone tests before I got a good handle on how my own body works.
A side note... a lot of the time, even on testosterone only. It was prolactin that was the culprit.... when I though for sure E2.
That's why bloodwork is nessisary.

I also find that Aromasin or Adex becomes less effective for me when I use one for too long. So I switch every 6 months to a year.

My best advice, don't use it until your bloodwork shows you need it or if you are experienced enough to read your body.

At that point I start with 12.5mg eod of Aromasin or .5mg eod of adex. If that isn't working after a week. Same dose but ED.
When you get the estrogen in check, go back to EOD.
Less is always better.
Keep in mind there is always the possibility you can mistake the effects of estrogen with it actually being prolactin... at least that was the case for me.
So always keep some caber handy. Prammi can work too... but it makes me so sick to my stomach I can't use it.

Remember you need to do bloodwork at your base level then after you start the adex.. and again a month or two later.
Then you will see what is happening, that is the only sure way, to know how to adjust your dose.

If gyno ever starts. Get some rofaxiline stat. As well as nolva. This are amazing to fight an early onset of gyno.

Best of luck
 
Oldguyjiujitsu said:
I would add Masteron instead of ai.


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This can work great. Because I am so sensitive to E2 and gyno the last 10 years or so. I add masterone to every cycle.
It does help. Also a great libido booster.
I am not lean enough to get the full benefits of masterone. But for my needs... it is still well worth the cost to use it.

But, at least for myself. Even a cycle of 400mg testE and 300-400mg masterone. I can still start getting very elevated estrogen. Even as soon as the first or 2nd injection
Prolactin can also go very high on that basic cycle for myself.

I was never like that in my early years... until I did a pretty long and heavy deca cycle... about 20 weeks... came off with no pct...
Well ever since..... I've dealt with this issue...
Always use you PCT.. and be smart about not going too long on high doses.
 
aGuyFromWinnipeg said:
Been thinking of adding a bit of mast towards the end of my cycle, but after reading this thought maybe sooner. I currently run primo and Proviron for similar reasons. Wondering, do you run it low dose as an ai? If so, what do you run? Or do you run higher as 2 birds 1 stone kinda thing.
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Proviron works great. But for me it looses potency after about 3 or 4 weeks. Masterone seems to keep working throughout my cycle.
I'm talking for purpose of hormone control and libido.
 
aGuyFromWinnipeg said:
Been thinking of adding a bit of mast towards the end of my cycle, but after reading this thought maybe sooner. I currently run primo and Proviron for similar reasons. Wondering, do you run it low dose as an ai? If so, what do you run? Or do you run higher as 2 birds 1 stone kinda thing.
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My attitude towards E2 management has changed over the past two years

I still believe E2 long term should be kept in check as it will long-term result in prostate and BP issues in many.

On TRT I don’t believe in using an AI. I just adjust dosage or pin frequency to get numbers where they should be

Above TRT I always used small amounts of AI to control E2 plus I liked the result of lowering SHGB. Which for me was significant in the range of 30 to 35% increases in free test.

I now believe AIs are quite toxic to the heart, arteries and lipids.

To contol E2 primo or Mast would be my preferred option in the 150-300mg range. Depending on what you are running. Plus You can add DIM or 5mg Cialis to protect prostate from excess dht but that will be another tread.


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I’d ask a question first. Have you used test at this dose before and did you have estrogen issues?
 
Nowadays I'm very sensitive to tren gyno too. I don't use a lot of AIs, good E levels is critical for gains and so many organs, for your immune system, for your hair, etc. Aromasin 25mg once a week max, when necessary only. I just use 20mg nolva EOD when using tren with B6 vitamin twice a week, or caber once a week when I have it. Also running 25mcg T3 ED since low t3 can increase prolactin sides apparently. With this protocol I've ran very high tren on a short blast with no gyno symptoms when before I had them as low as 300mg after 2 weeks. Also as mentioned mast or any DHT aas can helps. Good luck
 
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