Cialis for Pre workout

[FitTrader]

do some more reading lol

the idea of no ester means it’s 100% test

all these things are advanced tweaks to training… cialis pre workout , TNE , suspension etc

once you know how to cycle you can play with it
You don’t go around doing daily pre workout injections during your first few cycles

 

[OTFJOEY]

OK, hmmm, so Test base, suspension and TNE test no ester... Are these all the same, like very fast acting, like in and out within 2-4 hours, or are some different?

I think Sorbate's post kind of made it seem like suspension takes longer to circulate but Test base (TNE?) is like 30 mins and it hits. Am I following right? I know, I should search here and/or Google. Lol. I like hearing thoughts and experiences from real folks here that know though too.

Also bebeav said that these fast acting shots aromatise a lot, or it can accumulate. I get that test does that, but I swear from all the reading on test I've done I thought the longer the ester the more it potentially gave estro issues. I swear Ive read that the shorter ester of test people have sworn that it makes you retian less water and bloat less (due to less aromitization) I know in the chats Im referring to many said, 'test is test, so that's not true', but people that have tried long and short ester test say it may well all be test, but the ester affect how it (and the estro sides) hit us greatly.

Thoughts?

Thanks!

(Crap sorry, I also just realized I may be derailng this thread, maybe it can get a pass as someone taking cialis as a pwo may want to know about the above info as well, relating to pwo? Sorry OP, hopefully you find this interesting too. My apologies if I derailed.)

I think talking about all these compounds in general as pre workout is relevant to this topic, all good

 

[3ml]

I really have no clue what you guys are talking about. I have never noticed a better pump from cialis pre workout. Any chance this is placebo?

Actually I don't buy into anything pre workout giving you a better workout like orals or any kind of suspension. Personally I feel it's a wives tale

 

[OTFJOEY]

I really have no clue what you guys are talking about. I have never noticed a better pump from cialis pre workout. Any chance this is placebo?

Actually I don't buy into anything pre workout giving you a better workout like orals or any kind of suspension. Personally I feel it's a wives tale

3ml; have you ever tried any of these no ester testosterone before ? I don’t think it was a placebo for me with the cialis, because in large part what this medication does is dilate your veins. To me this equates just to more blood flow to said muscle group (whatever I’m training, there’s going to be the most blood flow there, so hence why taking it doesn’t JUST make ur dick hard) I am obviously new to trying it; these are all guesses. Test suspension is definitely an aggression tool for me; I actually preferred test susp over halotestin for aggression. A lot cleaner too. I have some injectable oxymethylone I can’t wait to try. And as well I have everything from oral DMT (desoxymethyltest), cheque drops, halo, dbol adrol , I’ve tried monsterplex; I’ve never tried tren suspension but it’s on my list … I have to say @3ml i disagree. It really depends on the drug , and the person, and what the person expects from the drug, that’s going to give you more realistic answers than: “yes it works”, or “no it doesn’t work”… I think there are way too many variables to just make a blanket statement for everybody

 

[3ml]

3ml; have you ever tried any of these no ester testosterone before ? I don’t think it was a placebo for me with the cialis, because in large part what this medication does is dilate your veins. To me this equates just to more blood flow to said muscle group (whatever I’m training, there’s going to be the most blood flow there, so hence why taking it doesn’t JUST make ur dick hard) I am obviously new to trying it; these are all guesses. Test suspension is definitely an aggression tool for me; I actually preferred test susp over halotestin for aggression. A lot cleaner too. I have some injectable oxymethylone I can’t wait to try. And as well I have everything from oral DMT (desoxymethyltest), cheque drops, halo, dbol adrol , I’ve tried monsterplex; I’ve never tried tren suspension but it’s on my list … I have to say @3ml i disagree. It really depends on the drug , and the person, and what the person expects from the drug, that’s going to give you more realistic answers than: “yes it works”, or “no it doesn’t work”… I think there are way too many variables to just make a blanket statement for everybody

Yes I have been using AAS for well over 20 years.
I have tried alot of suspension, and pretty much every steroid known to man.

Cheque drops pre workout yes I buy that. But something like dbol or test pre workout I don't think they do anything, I personally believe it is placebo.


I call BS on the Cialis. It doesn't work the same for muscles as it does for your dick. I am not a medical expert but to try and explain what I am saying is...
Cialis from my understanding doesn't create more blood flow throughout the entire body.
When you work a certain muscle, say your forearm, other vessels constrict to direct more blood to the certain muscle. Maybe my understanding is wrong but I have tried everything under the son for an edge and I dont find Cialis beneficial.....but hey some people believe in BCAA's lol

 

[3ml]

Food for thought.
Increase pump means bloodflow has increased.
More bloodflow means more nutrients.
More nutrients should improve performance.

I haven't checked but if WADA doesn't have it banned...then I think it's safe to assume there is no performance enhancement in regards to Cialis.
Show it to me that it's a banned substance and I will concede you are correct.

 

[storman]

I do notice a difference when im cutting and my carbs are low.
If my glycogen is filled up then i get great pumps no matter what, I probably wouldnt notice the cialis
I agree with you on the pre workout orals. I still do it pre but its just habit

 

[FitTrader]

something that relaxes blood vessels that would help blood flow into that area would not create a better pump ? Albeit nutrition and training in check

 

[Sorbate]

OK, hmmm, so Test base, suspension and TNE test no ester... Are these all the same, like very fast acting, like in and out within 2-4 hours, or are some different?

I think Sorbate's post kind of made it seem like suspension takes longer to circulate but Test base (TNE?) is like 30 mins and it hits. Am I following right? I know, I should search here and/or Google. Lol. I like hearing thoughts and experiences from real folks here that know though too.

Tne and base would likely be pretty much the same, the test is dissolved in oil. Suspension is still a powder, micro ground, but would still need yo dissolve to be asorbed. May delay the immediate adoption?

Also bebeav said that these fast acting shots aromatise a lot, or it can accumulate. I get that test does that, but I swear from all the reading on test I've done I thought the longer the ester the more it potentially gave estro issues. I swear Ive read that the shorter ester of test people have sworn that it makes you retian less water and bloat less (due to less aromitization) I know in the chats Im referring to many said, 'test is test, so that's not true', but people that have tried long and short ester test say it may well all be test, but the ester affect how it (and the estro sides) hit us greatly.

Thoughts?

I have always thought the shorter the ester, the less you aromatizes as well. If you think about it, there is likely only so much aromatase enzyme available at any given moment. So you flood you body with test, but it can only aromatize lets say 5 mg per hour. Well the 50 mg is gone in an hour so the other 45 mg didn’t get converted

Now you are injecting ethnate. You produce 10 mg per hour as the ester cleaves off, your body can convert 5 mg. Now that only leaves you with 5 mg to use. 50% conversion vs what 10%.

Ok my example is not an exact calculation, but it gives you an idea of what I’m saying. Other things would be in play, if you were natural it would likely stop test production to help reduce estrogen conversion if estrogen was too high, but injecting we throw that out of wack.
Now I am just taking common sense and a basic understanding of how our endocrine system works and making an assumtion, simplified maybe but likely not to inaccurate.

Thanks!

(Crap sorry, I also just realized I may be derailng this thread, maybe it can get a pass as someone taking cialis as a pwo may want to know about the above info as well, relating to pwo? Sorry OP, hopefully you find this interesting too. My apologies if I derailed.)

 

[3ml]

something that relaxes blood vessels that would help blood flow into that area would not create a better pump ? Albeit nutrition and training in check

I am not saying it's impossible, but I have never noticed a difference from it.

 

[Sorbate]

I am not saying it's impossible, but I have never noticed a difference from it.

Me neither. Now my veins bulge out more when not at the gym.

 

[ironwill]

Food for thought.
Increase pump means bloodflow has increased.
More bloodflow means more nutrients.
More nutrients should improve performance.

I haven't checked but if WADA doesn't have it banned...then I think it's safe to assume there is no performance enhancement in regards to Cialis.
Show it to me that it's a banned substance and I will concede you are correct.

I have noticed zero pump difference from Cialis, or many pre workout things folks do. I also have been doing this over 25 yrs with Juice. almost 30 TBH.
Halotestin gives me crazy strength but not much pump... Wicked to use for aggression and strength prework.

ONE THING that does work, and work well for extra pump is 30 ml of Glycerine. or Glycerol...Almost the same thing in 2.5 litres of water 1-1.5 hours pre workout. Not much strength increase,.
This draws water to your cells and blood and creates more volume in your veins. It is a super hydrater.
Creatine and Glycerine together is pretty cool.

I encourage anyone to try this. Start off at 20 ml Glycerine to 2 litres of water and report back. I look like a freak when i do this.

I and many of my friends would take this pre bar night on our way out for the night. Veins and pumps are wicked folks..
Backed by science and many, many decades of users doing this. An old school trick.
Pre stage competing trick i utilized as well.
When glycogen depleted and adding this in, the show is nutty. Or anytime you drop carbs for a bit and want to fill up quick and add a cool look to yourself. Especially when lean.
It is basically a sugar alcohol that draws massive amounts of water into your cells.

 

[3ml]

I have noticed zero pump difference from Cialis, or many pre workout things folks do. I also have been doing this over 25 yrs with Juice. almost 30 TBH.
Halotestin gives me crazy strength but not much pump... Wicked to use for aggression and strength prework.

ONE THING that does work, and work well for extra pump is 30 ml of Glycerine. or Glycerol...Almost the same thing in 2.5 litres of water 1-1.5 hours pre workout. Not much strength increase,.
This draws water to your cells and blood and creates more volume in your veins. It is a super hydrater.
Creatine and Glycerine together is pretty cool.

I encourage anyone to try this. Start off at 20 ml Glycerine to 2 litres of water and report back. I look like a freak when i do this.

I and many of my friends would take this pre bar night on our way out for the night. Veins and pumps are wicked folks..
Backed by science and many, many decades of users doing this. An old school trick.
Pre stage competing trick i utilized as well.
When glycogen depleted and adding this in, the show is nutty. Or anytime you drop carbs for a bit and want to fill up quick and add a cool look to yourself. Especially when lean.
It is basically a sugar alcohol that draws massive amounts of water into your cells.

This!

 

[gondar1]

I have noticed zero pump difference from Cialis, or many pre workout things folks do. I also have been doing this over 25 yrs with Juice. almost 30 TBH.
Halotestin gives me crazy strength but not much pump... Wicked to use for aggression and strength prework.

ONE THING that does work, and work well for extra pump is 30 ml of Glycerine. or Glycerol...Almost the same thing in 2.5 litres of water 1-1.5 hours pre workout. Not much strength increase,.
This draws water to your cells and blood and creates more volume in your veins. It is a super hydrater.
Creatine and Glycerine together is pretty cool.

I encourage anyone to try this. Start off at 20 ml Glycerine to 2 litres of water and report back. I look like a freak when i do this.

I and many of my friends would take this pre bar night on our way out for the night. Veins and pumps are wicked folks..
Backed by science and many, many decades of users doing this. An old school trick.
Pre stage competing trick i utilized as well.
When glycogen depleted and adding this in, the show is nutty. Or anytime you drop carbs for a bit and want to fill up quick and add a cool look to yourself. Especially when lean.
It is basically a sugar alcohol that draws massive amounts of water into your cells.

for the record that's something I have never tried but always been interested in, generally I don't have a problem feeling like I'm pumped, some other thing do enhance the feeling for me though.
My question - Does your BP go up when achieving this effect? It would seem to be corelated, can any of you tell or feel that?

PS - what product do you use? Source?

 

[storman]

for the record that's something I have never tried but always been interested in, generally I don't have a problem feeling like I'm pumped, some other thing do enhance the feeling for me though.
My question - Does your BP go up when achieving this effect? It would seem to be corelated, can any of you tell or feel that?

PS - what product do you use? Source?

also interested in this. Ive seen glycerol mono but ive heard it taste like shit and and fuck up your stomach pretty good. Alot of them i see comes in powder but there was a few i came across which was a liquid

 

[ironwill]

for the record that's something I have never tried but always been interested in, generally I don't have a problem feeling like I'm pumped, some other thing do enhance the feeling for me though.
My question - Does your BP go up when achieving this effect? It would seem to be corelated, can any of you tell or feel that?

PS - what product do you use? Source?

My BP does not move much if at all. It just adds volume to your hemoglobin by pulling in extra water. Fills the muscles very well. I get great pumps with none, but when i add it, it is crazy. My wife looks at me almost each time i take it with accuracy.
She says you took your sweet stuff today hey? Then blows her cheeks up and does a most muscular pose...lol... Then raises her eyebrows. lolol...

I just go into a pharmacy or health food store and ask for Glycerine USP, food grade Glycerin.
Glycerol is basically the same, Glycerin is exact same, one is british spelling Glycerin, American is Glycerine, or vice versa.
The brand i am using right now i got from health food store, it is NOW brand Glycerine usp.
It is used for skin care etc, but food grade and safe to ingest with no added ingredients.

 

[ironwill]

It is very sweet like corn syrup sweet.

 

[ironwill]

also interested in this. Ive seen glycerol mono but ive heard it taste like shit and and fuck up your stomach pretty good. Alot of them i see comes in powder but there was a few i came across which was a liquid

Start slow with this, I started off at 10 ml and 1 litre of water, now i use 30 ml and 2.5 litres.
It will pull water into your GI tract as well, and may cause poopy bum.
I do not get any sides or discomfort at all, but some can get issues.

 

[ironwill]

NOTE: 1 ml of glycerine weighs 1.25 grams. Many suggest 10-30 grams of Glycerine for pumps and hydration.
I do not piss much after ingestion, i do however sweat a lot in the gym whilst taking it. I take almost daily in this heat wave we are experiencing currently.

Glycerol and glycerine are basically identical.
Links below: PLEASE READ FIRST LINK FOR SAFETY PRECAUTIONS...

Glycerin (Oral Route) Proper Use - Mayo Clinic

www.mayoclinic.org

3 Reasons Training with Glycerol in the Heat is Beneficial

If you exercise or train in the heat, you need to include glycerol in your supplementation to help re-hydrate. Here's everything you need to know!

www.evogennutrition.com

SLICK PUMP - Muscle & Fitness

Your source for exercise, health and nutrition advice, with information on building muscle mass, weightlifting and sports nutrition.

www.muscleandfitness.com

COOL INFO ON ANAEROBIC POWER

The Effect of Glycerol Supplements on Aerobic and Anaerobic Performance of Athletes and Sedentary Subjects

The purpose of this study was to evaluate the effect of glycerol supplementation on aerobic and anaerobic exercise performance in sedentary subjects and athletes. The glycerol supplement treatments were as follows: 40 volunteers were selected and divided ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

IF anyone has questions on Glycerol, Glycerine, Glycerin if the same or different.
They are the same...See below...

What Is Vegetable Glycerin? Uses, Benefits and Side Effects

Vegetable glycerin, a clear liquid typically made from vegetable oils, is widely used in cosmetics and may offer health benefits. This article examines vegetable glycerin’s uses, benefits and side effects.

www.healthline.com

Obviously i cannot say enough about this little gem.
I need to add more items to an old thread of old school secrets that i had going. Lots of gems in the tool box.
MSM and orals etc.

 

[ironwill]

Just downing 35 ml of Glycerine and 2.5 litres of water. Gym in one hour.
BTW your pumps stick around for several hours folks...
Reap the rewards....REAP IT!!!!lol