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LayzieBone

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Hey everyone, im 31yo and i was going to start my first 12 week cycle of 250 test e per week (dose may gradually go up depending on side effects and results). Along with that 250 iu hcg twice week and was going to add aromisan 12.5mg eod .. then wait about 2 weeks after last pin and start pct nova and clomid. Nova 40/40/20/20 clomid 50/25/25/25
I saw some people say to run hcg during cycle and some say to run during pct. Do i even need hcg when taking 250mg test ? And im not sure if i should take clomid with nova or take less of clomid. Im still going to have hcg and clomid in hand for in case i need it. Any suggestions or advice would be much appericated thanks
 
I agree with @Cheapshot - I wouldn't take an AI on that dose unless you need it and chances are you won't. If you think you are having estrogen side effects get blood work done prior to throwing in the AI. I was 100% sure I needed an AI but I waited for my blood results to come back and I was surprised to find my estrogen and prolactin were both in the middle range of normal. It took a few weeks for my body to acclimate to the new compound.

Many people who are on TRT take 250 iu of HCG twice a week but if this is your cycle, I would leave it for my PCT. There are endless options for PCT and I'm not sure if there is a perfect one. I would make sure I used HCG and either one or both of the SERMS you mention.
@ABMonkey - has listed his go to here before but I can't locate it. Maybe he can chime in and let you know what he does. I am on TRT so I don't ever run a PCT.
 
Cheapshot said:
I doubt you will need that much aromasin on 250 test. Might not need it at all
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Coming from a guy who is very estrogen sensitive and gyno prone... I can say for my first cycles I didn't need an AI then. Just PCT.

Where I went wrong was about my 4th cycle... 10 years ago, I did a long, heavy cycle... no AI... started getting ichy nipples... kept going and didn't have money for PCT...

Anyways... lesson learned... ever since, I need about 12.5mg/ or eod even with about 300-400mg a week of test on it's own.

My best advice.. on your first cycle.. .get bloodwork done before you start the cycle.. again at the mid point, and again about 4-6 weeks after the cycle.
It will give you a ton of insight to how your body and hormones react.
Good luck.
 
TinyTim79 said:
Coming from a guy who is very estrogen sensitive and gyno prone... I can say for my first cycles I didn't need an AI then. Just PCT.

Where I went wrong was about my 4th cycle... 10 years ago, I did a long, heavy cycle... no AI... started getting ichy nipples... kept going and didn't have money for PCT...

Anyways... lesson learned... ever since, I need about 12.5mg/ or eod even with about 300-400mg a week of test on it's own.

My best advice.. on your first cycle.. .get bloodwork done before you start the cycle.. again at the mid point, and again about 4-6 weeks after the cycle.
It will give you a ton of insight to how your body and hormones react.
Good luck.
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This advice is golden and I wish I followed it when I could have. I will never have natty baseline bloodwork now
 
This is more of a basic trt style cycle
You can get away with .5adex 2x a week
Depending how high your body fat is and your history with fat and nipples

hcg 10,000iu during pct with Clomid is fine
No point in risking being shut down
 
OTFJOEY said:
This advice is golden and I wish I followed it when I could have. I will never have natty baseline bloodwork now
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Well I had to learn the hard way. We really think we are invisible when we are young (well some of us)
Now I live with the consequences.
So I always try to help out those I can, because having to use AI on 300mg a week of test... or have your gyno flair up to golf ball sizes if you use deca or dbol.. or dont have rofaxiline and novla on hand every cycle, really sucks.
People need to understand how serious it is.. .even if you have ran 10 cycles not being smart, and never had an issue... it just takes one cycle. Then there is no fixing it.
 
LayzieBone said:
Hey everyone, im 31yo and i was going to start my first 12 week cycle of 250 test e per week (dose may gradually go up depending on side effects and results). Along with that 250 iu hcg twice week and was going to add aromisan 12.5mg eod .. then wait about 2 weeks after last pin and start pct nova and clomid. Nova 40/40/20/20 clomid 50/25/25/25
I saw some people say to run hcg during cycle and some say to run during pct. Do i even need hcg when taking 250mg test ? And im not sure if i should take clomid with nova or take less of clomid. Im still going to have hcg and clomid in hand for in case i need it. Any suggestions or advice would be much appericated thanks
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Why would you not need HCG on 250mg test/week but would need it on 500mg/week? If you want to use HCG it doesn't matter what the dose of test your using is. I'd recommend using it, definitely makes transitioning to PCT way smoother.

Nolvadex at 10mg ED for 6 weeks is a nice PCT with no sides.

I would push your dose up from 250mg. That's kinda just high TRT. Also makes E2 management a pain because you take a little AI and boom, your estrogen is crashed.

I'm not an advocate of "your first cycle must be 500mg/week for 12 weeks" but there is a reason why it is so popular. It gives you a lot of leeway when it comes to managing your estrogen.
 
ABMonkey said:
Why would you not need HCG on 250mg test/week but would need it on 500mg/week? If you want to use HCG it doesn't matter what the dose of test your using is. I'd recommend using it, definitely makes transitioning to PCT way smoother.

Nolvadex at 10mg ED for 6 weeks is a nice PCT with no sides.

I would push your dose up from 250mg. That's kinda just high TRT. Also makes E2 management a pain because you take a little AI and boom, your estrogen is crashed.

I'm not an advocate of "your first cycle must be 500mg/week for 12 weeks" but there is a reason why it is so popular. It gives you a lot of leeway when it comes to managing your estrogen.
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So do you recommend I don't take clomid then ? Just nova ? And what are your thoughts on aromisian vs armidex ? I was thinking of starting at around 300mg test e and going up from there. Thx for your advice
 
LayzieBone said:
So do you recommend I don't take clomid then ? Just nova ? And what are your thoughts on aromisian vs armidex ? I was thinking of starting at around 300mg test e and going up from there. Thx for your advice
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I personally wouldn't take clomid, the side profile vs reward for me isn't worth it. Plus I respond well to nolva (as do most). Same can't be said for clomid.

Aromasin is superior. Though I'm not going to spoonfeed so you're going have to do some of your own reading there.

I'd pick a dose and stick with it for the duration.
 
I did 250mg test for my first cycle with 0.5mg arimidex twice a week with each shot, no HCG. Gained a solid 15lbs. So I think this would be a great first cycle. I didn't run HCG on my first cycle only during PCT. I ran 1500iu EOD i think. I swear i got WAY stronger and grew better on that rather than 250mg test lol. You can probably get away with 20mg nolva and 12.5mg clomid for PCT and that will limit the sides from clomid.
 
First first cycle was a 12 week sust250 @ 250mg a week , week 1 -6 then bumped up to 500mg week 7-12 , and kept nolva on hand for sides , Then started my PCT week 16 , which was nolva @ 20mg a day week 16, @ 40mg a day week 17 , 20mg a day at week 18 .... I had great results having virgin receptors , put on like 20 lbs pretty lean mass , this was back in the day so I would do things alot differently, but I definitely recommend sust250 for a beginners cycle , maybe add another compound depending on your Goals but not more then two compounds , personally I'd first see how my body reacts to testosterone alone , after those results I'd add in an oral like Winny if I wanted to lean up , or Adrol , or dbol if I wanted heavy mass. You want to see how your body reacts to different compounds .
 
TinyTim79 said:
My best advice.. on your first cycle.. .get bloodwork done before you start the cycle.. again at the mid point, and again about 4-6 weeks after the cycle.
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Where are you guys getting your blood work done? I haven’t been able to find a private lab in Canada other than Dr ordered bloods
 
Gallows said:
Where are you guys getting your blood work done? I haven’t been able to find a private lab in Canada other than Dr ordered bloods
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We used to use letsgetchecked but they no longer offer service to Canada.

Now your only choice is through a Naturopath. You're looking at $200 initial consult & $200 for full bloodwork. These can be expensed through work benefits if you have them.

Just be aware that any bloodwork is usually accessible by any physician if they wanted to see it (depending on your province).
 
ABMonkey said:
We used to use letsgetchecked but they no longer offer service to Canada.

Now your only choice is through a Naturopath. You're looking at $200 initial consult & $200 for full bloodwork. These can be expensed through work benefits if you have them.

Just be aware that any bloodwork is usually accessible by any physician if they wanted to see it (depending on your province).
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Yeah that part really has me debating just going through my family doc. Can afford it but goddamn. Pain in the ass, though she's fairly conservative and could be tough to sell on the whole pumping hormones in my ass haha
 
Jestopherson said:
Yeah that part really has me debating just going through my family doc. Can afford it but goddamn. Pain in the ass, though she's fairly conservative and could be tough to sell on the whole pumping hormones in my ass haha
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Totally understand.. my consult was covered by benefits, I had to pay for the bloodwork.

You could likely just go to NP for hormone stuff which would lower the cost, then ask your GP for the general shit. A lot of GP's will not let you check lipids if you're under 40 however.
 
Gallows said:
Where are you guys getting your blood work done? I haven’t been able to find a private lab in Canada other than Dr ordered bloods
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Letsgetchecked.com

You can get your dr to get blood twice a year for many things.. if you have a good relationship with him. Otherwise that's only once a year... and a tough sell on the hormone blood work. That's through lifelab.
But mainly I get letsgetchecked.com

Wait for a sale and order 3 or 4 kits at a time, that's what I do.
 
TinyTim79 said:
Letsgetchecked.com

You can get your dr to get blood twice a year for many things.. if you have a good relationship with him. Otherwise that's only once a year... and a tough sell on the hormone blood work. That's through lifelab.
But mainly I get letsgetchecked.com

Wait for a sale and order 3 or 4 kits at a time, that's what I do.
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Don't service Canada anymore. They'll give you a refund for your kits.
 
ABMonkey said:
Don't service Canada anymore. They'll give you a refund for your kits.
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Ya I heard that... but I thought they started servicing Canada again a few months ago?
I guess I might have been wrong.
Well that's unfortunate.
 
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