Well How Do you like Dr. Fauci now and the USA funding Coronavirus Research in Wuhan?
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You got a link bud? I havent been following lately. I do remember being awestruck when I read the following also almost 2 weeks ago. I couldn’t believe how it was tucked under the rug by the news outlets and social media - proves they’re all in cohorts. If the following combined with Fauci’s incriminating emails don’t raise red flags then most people aren’t brainwashed, they’re hypnotized.
“The White House press corps did not ask President Joe Biden’s Press Secretary Jen Psaki one question about the recently published emails between Dr. Anthony Fauci, health officials, and other scientists discussing COVID-19’s origins and mitigation techniques.
During the nearly 45-minute press briefing, Psaki fielded questions about the Russians, hacks, the president’s vaccination incentives, and bipartisanship but did not hear one mention of Fauci or the role he played in flip-flopping about masks, downplaying the NIH’s funding of gain of function research in Wuhan, and his relationship with Facebook’s Mark Zuckerberg who censored COVID-19 posts until recently.”
White House Press Corps Doesn't Ask Psaki Any Questions About Fauci's Emails
During the nearly 45 minutes press briefing, there was not one mention of Fauci or the recently published emails highlighting his pandemic response.thefederalist.com
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biguglynewf
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AGMP’s are a whole different ballgame. Dental offices are an interesting topic of conversation these days and the argument between the two colleges. Being that of the hygienists and that of the dentists.
and you would be correct in the messy applications in all of these studies. Trying to mail them down to even a decent level of control? Idk. Doesn’t really happen. Too much human randomness. IPAC is a numbers game and not exact. It employs different measures aimed at reducing numbers and thereby breaking the chain of transmission. When you don’t see wild and uncontrolled outbreak….. life is good.
But dude real world evidence doesn't count, lol
Confused,
Weren't these studies all done in the real world?
That is maybe the issue, these kinds of studies are good for generating hypothesis, but the scientific method then requires them to be tested in a controlled environment to determine if it is repeatable. This is rarely ever done in medical studies that I can see, yet should be rudimentary to achieve in many cases.
Similar to how the wound contamination study mentioned above was done, we can cap nanoparticles at any size we want and create a test environment to quantify contamination control effectiveness. This would accurately determine whether an intervention/method/procedure is successful and by how much. This is done all the time in different industries so I don't see why it couldn't be done in the medical field.
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biguglynewf
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I think the answer there, with respect to this issue anyway is so much human factor and variables. Even the most controlled experiment couldn’t fathomably be controlled. It’s not just as simple as direct measures of efficacy of the equipment. I suppose it could be theoretically? However one thing we well know in this realm is that what is known from a well controlled lab based experiment doesn’t necessarily translate well to what we see and do in the clinical setting.
or maybe I have no idea? I think I’m just rambling at this point.
Touche
Many people are falsely disbelieving in science when in fact the real issue is the politicization of science. It’s when politics heavily influences the scientific research studies to come to conclusions that fit their narrative, which is why their pandemic “findings” have constantly been changing since the start of 2020. So yeh bro it’s the real world results we should focus on most to draw our own educated conclusions. And in the real world, all bullshit aside, there are dozens of countries that will laugh at the very thought of wearing a mask. Take Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iran, Bangladesh, Tajekstan, Uzbekistan, and countless others as examples; you would be a laughing stock if you were wearing a mask in public. There was no shutdown either. Yet they all seem to be doing just fine.
As an example, if we have a complex unique job to perform, we will do a full mockup of the scenario and dry run it. This is for efficiency training to minimize time exposure, but also allow determination of weak points and contamination control requirements. One of the training rooms we use is completely covered in fluorescent particulate, workers enter, perform the task and then exit doffing their PPE. They are then examined under UV for any particulate 'contamination' that escaped the room.
I can envision a mockup hospital room environment where patients (dummies) are inoculated with identifiable nanoparticulate, and then various protocols tested to determine which are most effective. This should then be repeatable with human factors isolated and quantified. By definition, if it isn't independently repeatable it isn't science.
I realize this would not be an exact comparison as actual intubation occurs there will be emergent unforeseen factors.
But that is true in any industry, and knowing the limitations and effectiveness of the procedures and equipment in a controlled environment can only be of benefit when in an uncontrolled one. Then the data can be used to adjust for confounding in real time studies.
Some one has the media under their control. Fauci is out there on his own but I think Biden will avoid this and potentially sweep it under the rug. I hope not as this means the USA and China was responsible for the out Break. Biden should get rid of Fauci, stop the funding and apologize for the last admin. from allowing this to happen. Lets see how this unfolds.You got a link bud? I havent been following lately. I do remember being awestruck when I read the following also almost 2 weeks ago. I couldn’t believe how it was tucked under the rug by the news outlets and social media - proves they’re all in cohorts. If the following combined with Fauci’s incriminating emails don’t raise red flags then most people aren’t brainwashed, they’re hypnotized.
“The White House press corps did not ask President Joe Biden’s Press Secretary Jen Psaki one question about the recently published emails between Dr. Anthony Fauci, health officials, and other scientists discussing COVID-19’s origins and mitigation techniques.
During the nearly 45-minute press briefing, Psaki fielded questions about the Russians, hacks, the president’s vaccination incentives, and bipartisanship but did not hear one mention of Fauci or the role he played in flip-flopping about masks, downplaying the NIH’s funding of gain of function research in Wuhan, and his relationship with Facebook’s Mark Zuckerberg who censored COVID-19 posts until recently.”
White House Press Corps Doesn't Ask Psaki Any Questions About Fauci's Emails
During the nearly 45 minutes press briefing, there was not one mention of Fauci or the recently published emails highlighting his pandemic response.
Obviously the testing protocol and protection for the workers were not at the best standards. When 3 doctors were infected and then went out and infected the world
That there is the issue.
See funding is needed to do studies, if you want more funding from a particular group, your findings may lean towards the conclusions needed.
‘There are a lot of retired scientists pointing this out now that their funding doesn’t depend on the outcome.
‘Dyson Freeman is one who comes to light. He explains the role of CO2 and how the beliefs about it are so wrong. Like he saI’d, he’s retired now so he can speak his mind.
Being sarcastic.
At one time studies proved steroids didn’t work, but people taking steroids knew they worked because they’re size was evidence.
Like studies that prove masks do not work, but people on the front lines dealing with it every day are not getting sick in near the percentage like the normal population. And what even proves the point that masks work to an extent more, is that the average person is not subjected to high viral loads every day for hours at a time.
So I was being sarcastic, Newf has been in 1000’s of these high risk situations and not caught covid. I wonder what would happen if next week he didn’t wear a mask, and neither dud the infected what would happen?
Ah yeah.
Yet its fallacious reasoning because you can never prove a negative or discover a fundamental cause that way. Only create theories.
Like they used to think it was 'night air' that caused malaria, and if you blocked out all the night air malaria incidence was reduced.... go figure.
or a more modern example, arthroscopic surgery for knee arthritis turns out to be no better than a sham placebo surgery.
Should we continue to spend money on them because frontline doctors say "they work" based on patient satisfaction? (just not any better than placebo)
There are dozens of examples of things that were taken for granted as obvious truths before they were scrutinized and tested.
Bed rest post heart attack, killed many for instance.
Perhaps Newf does get contaminated all the time, but happens to have a great immune system? This creates a survivorship bias that further confounds efforts to discover what actually works and why. Maybe he does something unique and it's not the mask providing the bulk of the protection?.... I dunno, could be anything.. has anyone seen the evidence that smokers are 3 times less likely to be hospitalized with Covid?
If I was face to face with a covid patient spewing aerosols, I'd be wearing whatever was available too.
Hell, I'd wear an SCBA hazmat suit all day and be protected for sure.
But it's about determining what the risk actually is, and what provides the best benefit/risk ratio in reducing it. It's impossible to discover for sure what those things might be without a consistently applied method to test them.
If next week Newfs mask was swabbed and found to have covid virus on the inside, what would happen?
Throw away the masks, or get better ones?
Final note,
Studies and Science never prove anything, they can only disprove. Science is never settled, that is something only politicians say.
Everything we know, we know is wrong to some degree. The scientific method is used to make us just a little less wrong tomorrow than we were yesterday, and we do the best we can with what we've got in the meantime.
Like Feynman said, "Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts.”
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Your last paragraph is dead on and made me chuckle a bit.