Agreed, again, NO_ONE knows the answer...No-one....
Another note:
Also, Who knows whom is the most intelligent guy on the forums, that is a reach...Again NO-ONE knows this answer either. There are far too many intelligent folks out there, and i believe we have some intellect here, but no one can state whom is the most intelligent, that's a bit silly....lol
No offense to anyone, but we aren't breaking new ground here on this site, nor many of them right now, but there are some highly educated and life experienced and gear experienced folks out there..
Anyway, i digress, just don't have the ability to see that and not respond...
@NovaScotiaMan , i hope this helps on the absorption question, which is a good question.
When we inject the oil that carries the Steroid, The oil gets absorbed into the body and then excreted after filtering through the liver and kidneys and breaks down. It may also be used in a very , very tiny amount for energy, depending on the oil used. That's why i stay away from ethyl oleate, not my cup of tea on several fronts.
Myself and others have posted similar observations. It may be from fascia stretching and inflammation, but there definitely is site growth, Absolutely.
Injecting 3 ml of steroid or sterile oil for that matter with no aas is similar to injecting 3 ml of synthol, but one would have to do it over and over in the same spot to get exact same effect as it absorbs quickly not slow like synthol, disgusting stuff IMO.
Then one would get scar tissue, sterile abscesses etc. etc. as you can only absorb so much and hitting the spot between fascia will result in this occurrence as well, and infection and pain would make one not do this.
As far as being systemic and no difference in test levels if one injected the delt with more Anabolic receptors, than say the quad.
I agree, the anabolic receptors will stimulate growth in the area and when injecting anywhere as it is systemic, but IMHO, will not upregulate and take in more of the steroid nor would it make higher test levels just because there are more anabolic /androgenic receptors. BUT injecting in the delt will have a slower absorption rate than injecting in glute or ventrogluteal or quad region. I have seen studies on this and confirmed with 3 studies, not just one from one site.
Synthol is a much more viscous liquid and works on that principal, and takes longer to be absorbed into the body and break down and allows the fascia to stretch with longer times in the muscle prior to being absorbed and creating inflammation etc. Plus just looks silly as it doesnt get used proper most times.
Esiclene is another example, it causes muscle inflammation that is temporary and looks like muscle, but fades away.
Kevin Levrone was known to over use this stuff as well as several others back in the day..
No anabolism, and only inflammatory response that causes muscle growth.
Many forget about this while debating the topic we are discussing...It IMHO is due to inflammation and stretching why we see growth with site injects...
Read below if interested...
Esiclene (Formebolone)
Esiclene (formebolone) was originally used to treat children deficient in growth; this was due to its (mild) steroidal yet non-estrogenic properties which can cause growth in children. The injectable version is commonly used in bodybuilding circles to cause (temporary) localized growth, much like Synthol yet more “even” and much more temporary.
Background
Formebolone is produced pharmaceutically by LPB, Biofarma and comes in 4 mg/2ml ampoules, 1 mg drops and 5 mg tabs. It is extremely difficult to find and extremely expensive on the black market. It comes in a box of 6 ampoules each containing 2 ml of liquid and 4 mg of dissolved substance. Because the inflammation caused by the Esiclene is quite painful, each ampoule also includes 20 mg of the mild painkiller, lidocaine.
Steroid Action
Formebolone is available in various forms of administration and is actually a mild (non-anabolic, for all intents) form ofmethandrostenolone(Dianabol). There is very little, if any potential for growth with its use in any other form other than the injectable version. In bodybuilding, the injectable form of Esiclene is commonly used due to an inflammatory response which causes a significant (though temporary) increase in muscle size and diameter at the site of injection.
This local inflammation is due to an accumulation of lymph fluid within the injected muscle (the fluid is not under the skin, it is actually with in the muscle tissue). Esiclene is water soluble, therefore its effects begin to decrease after one day and most swelling subsides with in 4-5 days. Small muscle groups including triceps, biceps, calves and deltoids are most responsive to this compound’s effects. Aside from significant pain due to the inflammation, the only other negative effect is the possibility for an odd shaped (awkward) muscle while it is inflamed.
Technical Data
A study done on a group of people with kidney disease strongly suggested Formebolone’s ability to increase nitrogen retention. In the presence of esiclene, excretion of excess amino acids did not negatively affect kidney or liver function (1).
In a 2 week (unpublished) study athletes were given a 1 ml injection (administered in an insulin syringe) the first week and increased to 2 mls (1 ampoule per muscle) the second week. Average (temporary) growth obtained was 1.5 inches and 1.2 inches on arms and calves respectively. Subjects also noted a painful feeling at the point of injection. Most stated that they felt an unpleasant feeling for about 24 hours at the injection site.
In another short (and yet again, unpublished) study Esiclene was administered to athletes (both males and females successfully) in regular intervals of 2 ml every 5-7 days for much longer duration. It was further discovered that due to its water solubility it decreased water retention and also was found to stimulate growth of an extremely unresponsive arm and calf muscle.
There is my last 2 cc's on the topic...
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