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animal-inside

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I screwed up and need a bit of advice. My script is 100mg Testosterone a week. My total test when I do blood work has been 18-20. I usually had a doctor that would ask me to do my blood work at the lowest part of the week. Basically do blood work on the morning of the day I do my shot.

This summer I was prescribed Hikma. At 100mg it made me feel like ass... so I switched to UGL and I bumped up to around 150-200mg. I also did about 4 months last winter/early spring of 25mg NPP a week to see if it helped joints. I haven't touched NPP in 4 or 5 months through.

Around 1st week of august I stopped the UGL and switched to 100mg Hkima because I had blood work coming up.

I don't know if my UGL was dosed wrong or if I should have stopped it earlier?? I figured if I was at 150mg UGL, dropping to 100mg for 3 weeks would be enough.

I did blood work and my results are
Total Test: 25.7
Estradiol: 257... I'm normally 80-120


So now I got some thinking to do.. I see a new Doctor to review this blood work this week. I don't know what he's like, but he's potentially going to be my new family doctor.

I need to explain why its 25.7 total T.. I think this is an easy one because I could say I did my shot 3 days before my blood work. I could also add I normally do my shot on Friday, but I went on vacation and forgot my sript, so when I got home I did my 100mg on Tuesday and I did my normal 100mg shot again that Friday.

But I'm not sure how I can explain the estradiol?? I also can't believe how high it is on 150-200mg a week. I had a private clinic prescribe a-dex to me when I hit 185 and it brought it down to 85.. I could say I stopped using it? but man 257 is pretty high lol
 
animal-inside said:
I screwed up and need a bit of advice. My script is 100mg Testosterone a week. My total test when I do blood work has been 18-20. I usually had a doctor that would ask me to do my blood work at the lowest part of the week. Basically do blood work on the morning of the day I do my shot.

This summer I was prescribed Hikma. At 100mg it made me feel like ass... so I switched to UGL and I bumped up to around 150-200mg. I also did about 4 months last winter/early spring of 25mg NPP a week to see if it helped joints. I haven't touched NPP in 4 or 5 months through.

Around 1st week of august I stopped the UGL and switched to 100mg Hkima because I had blood work coming up.

I don't know if my UGL was dosed wrong or if I should have stopped it earlier?? I figured if I was at 150mg UGL, dropping to 100mg for 3 weeks would be enough.

I did blood work and my results are
Total Test: 25.7
Estradiol: 257... I'm normally 80-120


So now I got some thinking to do.. I see a new Doctor to review this blood work this week. I don't know what he's like, but he's potentially going to be my new family doctor.

I need to explain why its 25.7 total T.. I think this is an easy one because I could say I did my shot 3 days before my blood work. I could also add I normally do my shot on Friday, but I went on vacation and forgot my sript, so when I got home I did my 100mg on Tuesday and I did my normal 100mg shot again that Friday.

But I'm not sure how I can explain the estradiol?? I also can't believe how high it is on 150-200mg a week. I had a private clinic prescribe a-dex to me when I hit 185 and it brought it down to 85.. I could say I stopped using it? but man 257 is pretty high lol
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You were drinking a bit too much on holidays? Doesn’t alcohol increase estrogen?

And you stopped using the adex.
 
Sorbate said:
You were drinking a bit too much on holidays? Doesn’t alcohol increase estrogen?

And you stopped using the adex.
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For sure I'm going to make sure to tell him I was taking the adex up until last 6 months.

Doubt he'd buy drinking as the reason for the extra estrogen.. to be honest, most doc's wouldn't even know if drinking affects estrogen or test.
 
forgot to add, I'll volunterily get retested.. my test will be lower and my estorge will probably still be high
 
Oldguyjiujitsu said:
If your test is within range but estrogen high. The estrogen test is historically inaccurate just ask him to retest.
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true, but if I retest it will still be high unless I take adex.. which I can, but it wouldn't be a bad thing to have test within range and estrogne high.. they will likely just give me another script of adex and tell me to take it. The issue is my total T is about 5 points higher and very high estorgen.. the right doc might suspect supplementation. If he doesn't, great lol...
 
shoot.. I forgot to explain.. a few years ago a private clinic put me on adex.. that clinic believed no man should be on trt without being on adex.. I have had a script for it for a few years but rarely took it..
 
I came in way over after doing basically what you did. I simply said I ran out of syringes and didnt realize the pharmacy gave me 3 ml so accidentally injected more than supposed to. Was end of convo.
 
I don't think this is a big deal, he'll have access to your old bloodwork won't he? If it were me, I wouldn't say a word until he does. then if he acts like it's a problem I'd address it while not giving too much info away right away and dropping a little suggestive hint about my "intentions" at the same time.

'I usually monitor this stuff pretty closely, yeah I've seen the last BW results already, IDK maybe it's just because my shot timing got out of wack cause I went on vacation but maybe stopping the Adex wasn't such a good idea either. I just don't like being on more of this stuff than I need to be ya know?"

If pressed I would spill the details about how the vacation thing meant that I took my last shot 1.5 - 2 days before the BW and the clinic told me I'd probably eventually be able to come off the Adex so I thought I'd try it. Do you think i still need it? I don't know maybe the beer belly I got on that vacation doesn't help either, I don't usually drink so much so I'm not sure how all that works.

In general though don't answer any unasked questions and don't appear to be the smartest guy in the room.
 
animal-inside said:
lol... That's an idea for sure..
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I wouldn't go with that. He may get nervous of you overdosing its best to seem very in control and always using medication properly. Id say go with the "i did my shot too soon to the blood work and will happily retest if needed " ive used this a lot and its actually happened to me a few times as well. My doc perscribed 1 shot a week but I always did 3 smaller shots so I didnt think I needed to wait the full 5 days that he requested until I realized it.
 
Bigbear said:
I wouldn't go with that. He may get nervous of you overdosing its best to seem very in control and always using medication properly.
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"I have no idea what I'm doing" is not the most reassuring of explanations for error when engaging in potentially harmful behaviour with potentially harmful substances, especially when you're hoping for some more leeway from the doc in your future TRT use. :ROFLMAO:

@animal-inside inside, I've had really wonky estrogen tests before that were fine later, while it may be the result of what you did in switching around, the doc doesen't know this and in your own self-interest, it's best to plead a bit of competence in what you're doing but show some concern in any event. The onus is not on you necessarily to explain why the tests are a bit off this time. Re-testing will buy you some time to level out.
 
animal-inside said:
I screwed up and need a bit of advice. My script is 100mg Testosterone a week. My total test when I do blood work has been 18-20. I usually had a doctor that would ask me to do my blood work at the lowest part of the week. Basically do blood work on the morning of the day I do my shot.

This summer I was prescribed Hikma. At 100mg it made me feel like ass... so I switched to UGL and I bumped up to around 150-200mg. I also did about 4 months last winter/early spring of 25mg NPP a week to see if it helped joints. I haven't touched NPP in 4 or 5 months through.

Around 1st week of august I stopped the UGL and switched to 100mg Hkima because I had blood work coming up.

I don't know if my UGL was dosed wrong or if I should have stopped it earlier?? I figured if I was at 150mg UGL, dropping to 100mg for 3 weeks would be enough.

I did blood work and my results are
Total Test: 25.7
Estradiol: 257... I'm normally 80-120


So now I got some thinking to do.. I see a new Doctor to review this blood work this week. I don't know what he's like, but he's potentially going to be my new family doctor.

I need to explain why its 25.7 total T.. I think this is an easy one because I could say I did my shot 3 days before my blood work. I could also add I normally do my shot on Friday, but I went on vacation and forgot my sript, so when I got home I did my 100mg on Tuesday and I did my normal 100mg shot again that Friday.

But I'm not sure how I can explain the estradiol?? I also can't believe how high it is on 150-200mg a week. I had a private clinic prescribe a-dex to me when I hit 185 and it brought it down to 85.. I could say I stopped using it? but man 257 is pretty high lol
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Morning @animal-inside - there are tons of reasons for this that are easily explainable. PM me if you wish.
Docs don't cut you off after one bad test especially if you have a history of good blood work, they will retest and see if it is getting back to where your 'normal' is.
NPP does not have a long half life but you don't mention the ester of the UGL test you bumped up. 3 weeks may not be enough for two reasons - the ester of the testosterone and NPP/Deca both show up as testosterone in blood work. Not the same as testosterone - as in 100 mg of test shows up in blood like 100 mg of test / Deca&NPP may may show up like an additional 10-15 mg of test if you just took 25 mg a week. I am pulling the 10-15 mg out of the air, with my bloods it is like I took an additional 50% more testosterone.
 
Goldenrod said:
Morning @animal-inside - there are tons of reasons for this that are easily explainable. PM me if you wish.
Docs don't cut you off after one bad test especially if you have a history of good blood work, they will retest and see if it is getting back to where your 'normal' is.
NPP does not have a long half life but you don't mention the ester of the UGL test you bumped up. 3 weeks may not be enough for two reasons - the ester of the testosterone and NPP/Deca both show up as testosterone in blood work. Not the same as testosterone - as in 100 mg of test shows up in blood like 100 mg of test / Deca&NPP may may show up like an additional 10-15 mg of test if you just took 25 mg a week. I am pulling the 10-15 mg out of the air, with my bloods it is like I took an additional 50% more testosterone.
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You can explain things here if you like.

It was cyp that I switched too. I likely didn't give enough time after I switched.. I actually like to donate blood before testing if I feel like something might be off ebcause of things like this.

My memory is terrible.. I did 50mg deca for about 2-3 weeks back in Dec.. then switched to 25mg NPP until marchish.. The deca will still be around.
 
I doubt he will say anything at all that's still within reference range and not out of it, just say you pinned early due to work schedule and play dumb.

My endos script is for 200mg/wk and my test sits around 28-33 depending on when I pin and draw, doctor has never questioned it just asks how I feel. Say you feel great and move on. Blood work changes based on a multitude of factors and lifestyle choices. So long as you're not 2x previous values its miniscule.

Don't over think it and blow your cover just retest and say you'll time it properly this time. The estrogen part is tough to explain....maybe you've gained some weight in recent months, slightly fatty liver and been eating a ton of dairy? Lol
 
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My doctor wouldn't care about that at all, he probably wouldn't mention anything and just refill my script he only says anything about stuff like high hematocrit.
 
I meet with a new doctor today who also agreed to be my family doctor.

He was super happy with my test being 25... I thought he would be concerned.. He said "thats so good!".

My estroidial was 257 which is very high.. he told me "you have the estrogen of a women right now". He didn't say much else..

My IGF-1 levels are quite high.. no I'm not taking gh or IGF-1... could indicate an issue with my pituitary gland

He put in a refferal for me to see an endo because he's admittedly not a specialist for hormones and he feels like it's been 10 years since I have been fully checked over for my hormones.. and he said they may want to investigate my pituitary gland.

My cholesterol was a bit high, it always is.. but its lower then last blood work so he was fine with it.. he did not even mention statins..


When I asked if he would be ok to refill my test in 8 weeks when its out, he said he wants me to get my test levels checked every 2 months for a year to see where things are at.. I don;t understand this because my test levels on 100mg of test have been rock steady at 20/21 for 10 straight years pretty much.. yes i was 25 this blood work, but I told him I screwed up the timing of my shots for a couple weeks.. him asking for blood work every 2 months shows me he's really not up to date with hormoes.. Either way I'm ok with it for now.. hopefuly after a few rounds of blood work he will see there is no point OR my endo will give me a 3 year script like they did last time..

The best part of talking to the guy is he completely admitted he is not an extra and the best thing he could do is refer me to an endo.
 
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