Peptides for fat loss- specifically stubborn stomach fat on the ladies

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Hey everyone,

Been doing a huge amount of research into the various peptides associated with fat loss, and the wife is looking to give one or more a shot.
Her progress has been amazing and I think it’s more than anything a case of just staying on the course that’s been working buuuuuut…..
She’s VERY interested in giving something a shot that may help things around the ‘tummy’ area…..

Short list has been as follows:

- MOTS-C. It’s frequent description / classification as being an ‘exercise-mimetic’ is pretty damn interesting

- TESAMORELIN. Many various resources speak about its ability to be especially good for stubborn stomach fat, how something can specifically target that fat versus other areas is beyond my pea-brain comprehension…

- GHRP6 / GHRP2: i’ve read some resources that talk about these, as well as the partial or fragment growth hormone as being related to the portion of HGH that tends to help with that loss.

- Semalglutide- although this is the obvious one as per the Ozempic bandwagon, however, she has an incredibly healthy relationship with food to date, and so because my research tells me this is more of a behavioural modifier, I’m not sure it would be the right fit.

……. We’re sure there’s others as well, comes down to cost and availability as well. Love to hear feedback from the proud owner personal experience or what the experts think.
 
If you're just talking peptides.. probably the most talked about is Frag and Aod. Been talked about lots on this forum, has mixed reviews with studies and personal opinions.

Here is one company that combines both. Canlab doesn't have the best customer service but you'd get it eventually.

canlabresearch.com

Subject: Temporary Suspension of Operations

Dear Valued Customers, We write to inform you of recent developments regarding Canlab Research’s operations in Canada. Recently, Canlab Research has received notifications from both Health Canada and the Superior Court of Quebec regarding a misunderstanding that has necessitated the temporary...
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5-8%advantage said:
- TESAMORELIN. Many various resources speak about its ability to be especially good for stubborn stomach fat, how something can specifically target that fat versus other areas is beyond my pea-brain comprehension…
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Meant to comment on this. IDK about this specific targeting of stomach fat either. Sounds like some advertising bullshit misrepresenting or purposefully misinterpreting some studies. Some lower budget "studies" on fatloss will only sample from specific areas of the body or worse yet rely on a tape measure. My best guess is this is a case of that because there are some out there that are exactly that.
"Targets that hard to reach belly fat" has got to be a golden little phrase in the advertising world.
Using the word targeting is a pretty big stretch if that's how someone chooses to interpret an experiment in which only one area was measured.

I can't think of any mechanism by which it would work barring a couple close ones that ring a bell and I may be remembering them a bit wrong - Var may have more of an effect on visceral fat than SubQ fat and brown fat is activated by cold temps but there is not much or any down by the stomach.

As usual I make no claim to know everything but in this case especially I'd love to see some solid evidence, the last vestiges of fat I carry personally are in that area and shedding it would make a huge improvement in my look at any bodyfat level. Hardly unique so this would be some great big secret if true.

I didn't reread the links I posted so just in case it's not mentioned keep in mind that the protocol I posted is VERY reliant on being followed precisely IME, the timing and strict fasting are critical to the point of near zero effect if you fuck it up. Also be careful if you use Yoho, personally I don't. The clinical doses reported world certainly kill me I'm sure, no joke. IIRC 1/20 of the "recommended" is too much for me.
 
5-8%advantage said:
Hey everyone,

Been doing a huge amount of research into the various peptides associated with fat loss, and the wife is looking to give one or more a shot.
Her progress has been amazing and I think it’s more than anything a case of just staying on the course that’s been working buuuuuut…..
She’s VERY interested in giving something a shot that may help things around the ‘tummy’ area…..

Short list has been as follows:

- MOTS-C. It’s frequent description / classification as being an ‘exercise-mimetic’ is pretty damn interesting

- TESAMORELIN. Many various resources speak about its ability to be especially good for stubborn stomach fat, how something can specifically target that fat versus other areas is beyond my pea-brain comprehension…

- GHRP6 / GHRP2: i’ve read some resources that talk about these, as well as the partial or fragment growth hormone as being related to the portion of HGH that tends to help with that loss.

- Semalglutide- although this is the obvious one as per the Ozempic bandwagon, however, she has an incredibly healthy relationship with food to date, and so because my research tells me this is more of a behavioural modifier, I’m not sure it would be the right fit.

……. We’re sure there’s others as well, comes down to cost and availability as well. Love to hear feedback from the proud owner personal experience or what the experts think.
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When you say “her progress has been amazing” and “she has an incredibly healthy relationship with food” what exactly does that mean? How long has she been on her fitness journey? Has she hit a bit of a plateau?
Might be something that a little more time will fix, could be a simple tweak in her diet. Eating clean and eating properly to achieve your goals isn’t necessarily the same thing.
I’m no dietician by any means, but I understand that we have to create the proper environment where our bodies target fat for fuel. Doing so without loosing muscle mass is the trick.
Peptides might help, but they’re an expensive alternative and can be really underwhelming if everything else isn’t on point.
 
aGuyFromWinnipeg said:
If you're just talking peptides.. probably the most talked about is Frag and Aod. Been talked about lots on this forum, has mixed reviews with studies and personal opinions.

Here is one company that combines both. Canlab doesn't have the best customer service but you'd get it eventually.

canlabresearch.com

Subject: Temporary Suspension of Operations

Dear Valued Customers, We write to inform you of recent developments regarding Canlab Research’s operations in Canada. Recently, Canlab Research has received notifications from both Health Canada and the Superior Court of Quebec regarding a misunderstanding that has necessitated the temporary...
canlabresearch.com
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I second this. Frag is great at cutting visceral fat but not a miracle working.

@RigPig has some legit questions that should be explored probably before peps.
 
i remember my experiments with peptides, can't say any did anything amazing

tried HGH frag, ghrp2 and ghrp 6, cjc dac, cjc (forgot the name if its just regular cjc) and igf-1 lr3

actually interesting story milos sarcev told me that he believes igf-1 lr3 causes liver tumours, said many of his clients who used igf-1 lr3 ended up with liver tumours, if I am recalling incorrectly it may have been cancer in general or kidney tumours, but I believe it was in fact either liver cancer or liver tumours

Edit, checked my emails, my memory still working, quote from an old email from milos
"Igf 1 - great, but potentially highly carcinogenic (I know about a dozen of bodybuilders with liver cancer that they attribute it to their igf1 usage)"
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DHEA. It works wonders for woman. Start at 12 mg or so, then move up if they don’t get acne on their face or back of the neck. My wife was her leanest when she took this in her mid 30’s. At that time she weighed 135lbs 5’7” and 11% bodyfat. Looked like a fitness competitor.

Well mix that with a bit of ephedrine, lol.

BTW Dracorex sells DHEA.

What I posted above is safe and effective.
 
RigPig said:
When you say “her progress has been amazing” and “she has an incredibly healthy relationship with food” what exactly does that mean? How long has she been on her fitness journey? Has she hit a bit of a plateau?
Might be something that a little more time will fix, could be a simple tweak in her diet. Eating clean and eating properly to achieve your goals isn’t necessarily the same thing.
I’m no dietician by any means, but I understand that we have to create the proper environment where our bodies target fat for fuel. Doing so without loosing muscle mass is the trick.
Peptides might help, but they’re an expensive alternative and can be really underwhelming if everything else isn’t on point.
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Great Q’s, and ultimately I’ll be the first to say that even AAS’s and PED’s are a poor substitute for the ‘big rocks’…….good sleep, proper nutrition / diet, and then good programming……personally I’d rank them in that exact order as well…..
To answer your questions, yes, she has hit a plateau, but in HER opinion the ‘stubborn-belly-fat’ has been slower to reduce than other areas continuously.
I finally got her to agree to drop the classic ‘keep cutting calories and increasing volume’ formula her bloody trainer has been shovelling her in favour of a more strength based program with the goal of reverse dieting to increase her maintenance calories.
Being as though we’ve got three young kids and the sleep is NEVER on point, diet HAS been pretty decent in terms of macros, I think this is the best (potentially only) approach, and certainly the more sustainable one.

As far as driving the body to use fat stores for energy versus glucose, I think the data is pretty clear on how difficult a ‘ketogenic’ approach can be, less we’re talking about LARGE fat loss goals. She’s maybe talking about 5% overall tops (BF%) with a focus on stomach area more than anything else.

The curiosity re: peptides was and is along the lines of options that can be additional arrows in the quiver…..
She’s has some success running Cardarine and is now giving Stenabolic a try, but there’s been SO much talk around peps we thought we’d go down the rabbit hole a bit.

Hopefully this provides some more valuable context
 
Sorbate said:
DHEA. It works wonders for woman. Start at 12 mg or so, then move up if they don’t get acne on their face or back of the neck. My wife was her leanest when she took this in her mid 30’s. At that time she weighed 135lbs 5’7” and 11% bodyfat. Looked like a fitness competitor.

Well mix that with a bit of ephedrine, lol.

BTW Dracorex sells DHEA.

What I posted above is safe and effective.
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How was her Libido? She most likely experienced a significant boost in testosterone. I would agree that it's relatively safe and effective, however, in some cases women have had side effects similar to steroids. Loss of hair on the head, deepenings of the voice, facial hair and so on. Unfortunately, those side effects can be irreversible so be careful not to overdo it. People can get excited about results and pop an extra one a day because of them.

This supplement is high on my list of sups to take for health and longevity, it's too bad it's tough to get in Canada. I did try to get my wife to take it at a low dose as well but she balked when I told her the side effects.
 
5-8%advantage said:
Great Q’s, and ultimately I’ll be the first to say that even AAS’s and PED’s are a poor substitute for the ‘big rocks’…….good sleep, proper nutrition / diet, and then good programming……personally I’d rank them in that exact order as well…..
To answer your questions, yes, she has hit a plateau, but in HER opinion the ‘stubborn-belly-fat’ has been slower to reduce than other areas continuously.
I finally got her to agree to drop the classic ‘keep cutting calories and increasing volume’ formula her bloody trainer has been shovelling her in favour of a more strength based program with the goal of reverse dieting to increase her maintenance calories.
Being as though we’ve got three young kids and the sleep is NEVER on point, diet HAS been pretty decent in terms of macros, I think this is the best (potentially only) approach, and certainly the more sustainable one.

As far as driving the body to use fat stores for energy versus glucose, I think the data is pretty clear on how difficult a ‘ketogenic’ approach can be, less we’re talking about LARGE fat loss goals. She’s maybe talking about 5% overall tops (BF%) with a focus on stomach area more than anything else.

The curiosity re: peptides was and is along the lines of options that can be additional arrows in the quiver…..
She’s has some success running Cardarine and is now giving Stenabolic a try, but there’s been SO much talk around peps we thought we’d go down the rabbit hole a bit.

Hopefully this provides some more valuable context
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to quote arnold:
“for men the stomach leaves first, for women the stomach leaves last”
idk if there’s truth to that narrative but an interesting idea for sure.
 
-how long has she been in the gym
-what kind of progress has she made to date
-do you trust the trainer you’re already paying, have you vetted the trainer.
-does she track her calories and, more specifically, her macros
-you mentioned you have kids, have you guys considered her abs could be distended from pregnancy and she may never get that “flat tummy” without having surgery
-would you say she in being impatient? You see her progress.
-have you considered adding Var while in a calorie deficit to help preserve muscle? SARMs are ok I guess, Var is better.
-is she a candidate for an ECA stack or Clen to help get over the plateau.
 
You also need to consider that for women their body will fight to preserve 15%bf the way a man's will preserve 10%. Depending on genetics she could store a little more on her midsection or maybe she doesn't have genetics for very visible abs. Look at the Rock, guy can be shredded but no.abs, shitty abs genetics
 
aGuyFromWinnipeg said:
How was her Libido? She most likely experienced a significant boost in testosterone. I would agree that it's relatively safe and effective, however, in some cases women have had side effects similar to steroids. Loss of hair on the head, deepenings of the voice, facial hair and so on. Unfortunately, those side effects can be irreversible so be careful not to overdo it. People can get excited about results and pop an extra one a day because of them.

This supplement is high on my list of sups to take for health and longevity, it's too bad it's tough to get in Canada. I did try to get my wife to take it at a low dose as well but she balked when I told her the side effects.
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Like about 2 years ago, I had bought some from Walmart (in the USA) and I couldn’t really remember the dose she took way back when, so 50 mg pills it was. 50 mg a day. She got the odd under skin pimple on her face and acne in her hairline at the back of her head. The face pimples turned her off. So 12.5 mg is what she will be doing this time.

When I did research on it like 25 years ago, I didn’t read about all the harsh sides. Back then it more or less said it stabilized hormones and would increase them to what you could get within your own feed back loop.

As far as labido, that was within the first 10 years we were together, we banged each other constantly all over the place. Slowed a bit when we realized everyone walking by our apartment (3rd floor) could see us in the front room if they were walking on the sidewalk across the street, lol.
And the guy in the apartment across from us, when after we realized we were giving everyone a porn show, lol, would stand at his window and wait, lol. We closed the curtians after than, but man that was over a year of free porn, before the internet was a thing. But hey at least we were both ripped in good shape, lol.

I beleive my wife's natural testosterone is higher than average. But it has tapered since menopause. I am hoping this will help to restore a bit.
 
Sorbate said:
Like about 2 years ago, I had bought some from Walmart (in the USA) and I couldn’t really remember the dose she took way back when, so 50 mg pills it was. 50 mg a day. She got the odd under skin pimple on her face and acne in her hairline at the back of her head. The face pimples turned her off. So 12.5 mg is what she will be doing this time.

When I did research on it like 25 years ago, I didn’t read about all the harsh sides. Back then it more or less said it stabilized hormones and would increase them to what you could get within your own feed back loop.

As far as labido, that was within the first 10 years we were together, we banged each other constantly all over the place. Slowed a bit when we realized everyone walking by our apartment (3rd floor) could see us in the front room if they were walking on the sidewalk across the street, lol.
And the guy in the apartment across from us, when after we realized we were giving everyone a porn show, lol, would stand at his window and wait, lol. We closed the curtians after than, but man that was over a year of free porn, before the internet was a thing. But hey at least we were both ripped in good shape, lol.

I beleive my wife's natural testosterone is higher than average. But it has tapered since menopause. I am hoping this will help to restore a bit.
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Only time I've seen live porn as you describe was 2 homeless people fucking in a bus shelter. It had lasting negative effects on me.
 
RigPig said:
-how long has she been in the gym
-what kind of progress has she made to date
-do you trust the trainer you’re already paying, have you vetted the trainer.
-does she track her calories and, more specifically, her macros
-you mentioned you have kids, have you guys considered her abs could be distended from pregnancy and she may never get that “flat tummy” without having surgery
-would you say she in being impatient? You see her progress.
-have you considered adding Var while in a calorie deficit to help preserve muscle? SARMs are ok I guess, Var is better.
-is she a candidate for an ECA stack or Clen to help get over the plateau.
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First off, thanks for showing such an interest so as to ask such in depth questions.
Appreciate you and your experience bro…

- She’s been in the gym regularly and routinely for around 1.5-2 years now

- to date she’s dropped probably 5-9%BF, and built a Ton of muscle….mainly strength gains that make me jealous in terms of percentages….

- her trainer is definitely drinking the ‘Tik-tok’ kook-aid a little too much, but has also been open to learning…..why the fuck are WE teaching him? Long story….

- tracking for her is probably number one area she could see some dramatic improvement in, BUT I’m ruthless with her on her hitting her protein.

- tested for distended abs, 99% sure she’s good

- yes she is being impatient. Just super frustrated with the ‘tummy’

- she’s ran VAR and likes it, but has ran a couple cycles this year and I want her to get bloods done before running it again.

- I suspect she’d not do well on clen, could be wrong…..I’m a pretty big ECA stack fan, she should probably give it a go
 
Is she taking creatine?
I would get her on that as well.

I just started taking it and my wife as well and I forgot about how it can sustain energy levels so well, very important as we age.

My wife was talking about how she was bagged all the time, started her on creatine about 2 weeks ago, and that issue has seemed to clear up.
 
5-8%advantage said:
First off, thanks for showing such an interest so as to ask such in depth questions.
Appreciate you and your experience bro…

- She’s been in the gym regularly and routinely for around 1.5-2 years now

- to date she’s dropped probably 5-9%BF, and built a Ton of muscle….mainly strength gains that make me jealous in terms of percentages….

- her trainer is definitely drinking the ‘Tik-tok’ kook-aid a little too much, but has also been open to learning…..why the fuck are WE teaching him? Long story….

- tracking for her is probably number one area she could see some dramatic improvement in, BUT I’m ruthless with her on her hitting her protein.

- tested for distended abs, 99% sure she’s good

- yes she is being impatient. Just super frustrated with the ‘tummy’

- she’s ran VAR and likes it, but has ran a couple cycles this year and I want her to get bloods done before running it again.

- I suspect she’d not do well on clen, could be wrong…..I’m a pretty big ECA stack fan, she should probably give it a go
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Yep, high protien, lower carbs, bit more fat and some ephedrine would help her get over the hump.

Back when my wife would listen to me, lol, this is what I did and she responded amazingly well.

Just as we try to rush things with gh and so on, we all learn it takes time. Achieving the perfect body takes time.
 
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