Next Cycle - Thoughts?
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Awesome, the insights appreciated. Do you guys feel those dosgaes will provide better results than the 750mgs of test?
Also, curious of the decca to test ratio. Why is it/do people tend to run one compund higher then the other, is there a particular benifit or downside to doing it either way?
For example:
Test -400mg/wk/ Decca-600mg/wk
or the opposite
Test-600mg/wk Decca- 400mg/wk
Also, curious of the decca to test ratio. Why is it/do people tend to run one compund higher then the other, is there a particular benifit or downside to doing it either way?
For example:
Test -400mg/wk/ Decca-600mg/wk
or the opposite
Test-600mg/wk Decca- 400mg/wk
From what i understand, some people prefer lower test on a nandrolone cycle because they would aromatize less test into estrogen and therefore less side effects. Really you have to try it for yourself and see. I think you'll get similar results for either of your examples but to me gear is secondary to food. In other words i wouldn't be concerned about what cycle is the best, you should have no issues growing with 750mg -1g of total anabolics per week the rest is dependent on your diet and training.
Personally, compound selection really only matters to me where it pertains to side effects. For example, If you cant use deca, use eq, if you cant use either use primo and so on.
Perfect, thank you!
600 deca 400 test, use an ai, or caber.
That is how I ran it.
Ai or caber so your dick still gets hard, lol.
i found prami also works nicely.
Hey this is getting close to my favorite cycle- 500 test 800 deca. Everyone is different and I needed to try to see what happens. For me deca is a wonder drug that slaps on size and strength when combined with a reasonable dosage of test, training and proper diet. I have ran this with 75mg/d anadrol for 4wks on a very tight diet and no excessive water retention.
Get ready for deca to shut down the endocrine system pretty hard if you are like me. Before TRT I would stop deca NO LESS than 4wks before tapering test or all hell would break loose. If I were to do another bulk cycle I would definitely include deca again, start an oral such as dbol or anadrol 4wks after starting injectable overload for 4wks and at the end of the cycle 10 days of superdrol near the 20mg mark. I would like to see what superdrol can do short duration as a kick at the end.
I think if I did Test, Deca and DBol I would become a world strongest man competitor, or at least look the part lmao
Unfortunately its trial and error. Some people can use high test with nandrolone others cant and theres so many different ways of managing sides that you'll just have to jump in and try. If you're really concerned, use NPP so that if you have issues you can take it out and the sides should go away much faster should you even need to, or use less deca to start maybe 200mg. You're better off starting off lower than higher, plus if all is going well, bumping it up is going to have a more profound effect than slamming it all in at once.
No matter the case dont be afraid, have what you need on hand and keep track of how you feel. You wont lose your erections forever or grow boobs overnight or something crazy. Though you might start looking like the Michelin man but thats ok you're bulking!
Deca.. for 24 weeks and you're not planning on going on trt? Your recovery is gunna suck
Deca dick isn’t from prolactin. It’s caused by a lack of DHT and too much DHN from nandrolone.
If your prolactin is too high you may encounter erection issues, but from what I gather, deca dick is from a lack of DHT.
This is why I run primo with nandrolone, and I keep my test low. The only reason guys run high test with deca is for the DHT, but test can bring estrogen issues, which in turn will bring prolactin issues. You can run lower test if you run a sufficient dose of a DHT derivative like primo/mast/proviron.
Thanks to iron will for putting me on this protocol.
Yeah definitely a concern, I found the best results with test running it for longer cycles personally so that’s was my thought with decca especially with it taking longer to accumulate in the system.
Curious, what’s your thoughts on length, pct etc?
I like this idea.
Next time I round deca I’m going to give it a try.
Idk I'd be guessing tbh, back when I pct'd I did deca for 12 and test for 14 and I remember the recovery sucking, the whole depression thing n whatever, I know deca shuts u down hard
Deca dick or tren dick is from high prolactin. But It's more like prolactin is antagonistic to 5a reductase and therefore the body produces less DHT hence why adding DHT solves the issue. In the end it is still high prolactin causing the issue because if you used a dopamine agonist to tackle it head on you'd lower prolactin and start converting more DHT as a result. If you wanted to you really could still dose your test higher, use the appropriate amount of AI and a DHT and it would work the same if you got everything fine tuned properly.
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DHT is required for penile sensitivity, which is probably why for some that use deca or tren they can last longer, for others like myself I need to be constantly stimulated to keep the erection or after a while regular stimulation isn't enough. Really weird.
At any rate i also go the DHT route with nandrolone or tren. Its just much easier to deal with than dosing/ sourcing caber or using prami, p5p etc. Not to mention dopamine agonists can have some nasty side effects. and i dont aromatize much so the mast or primo takes care of the estrogen. Win win for me and i can keep my test at 500mg +
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this is interesting! I’m running 750 test, 300 tren and 300 primo and had the same erection issues as you mentioned (went soft when stimulation slowed for a moment.) even on 20mg cialis. Started using prami (.125) and 12.5 asin twice weekly and seems to have made my little man a rocket once again.Deca dick or tren dick is from high prolactin. But It's more like prolactin is antagonistic to 5a reductase and therefore the body produces less DHT hence why adding DHT solves the issue. In the end it is still high prolactin causing the issue because if you used a dopamine agonist to tackle it head on you'd lower prolactin and start converting more DHT as a result. If you wanted to you really could still dose your test higher, use the appropriate amount of AI and a DHT and it would work the same if you got everything fined tuned properly.
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DHT is required for penile sensitivity, which is probably why for some that use deca or tren they can last longer, for others like myself I need to be constantly stimulated to keep the erection or after a while regular stimulation isn't enough. Really weird.
At any rate i also go the DHT route with nandrolone or tren. Its just much easier to deal with than dosing/ sourcing caber or using prami, p5p etc. Not to mention dopamine agonists can have some nasty side effects. and i dont aromatize much so the mast or primo takes care of the estrogen. Win win for me and i can keep my test at 500mg +
What do you run mast at typically?Deca dick or tren dick is from high prolactin. But It's more like prolactin is antagonistic to 5a reductase and therefore the body produces less DHT hence why adding DHT solves the issue. In the end it is still high prolactin causing the issue because if you used a dopamine agonist to tackle it head on you'd lower prolactin and start converting more DHT as a result. If you wanted to you really could still dose your test higher, use the appropriate amount of AI and a DHT and it would work the same if you got everything fine tuned properly.
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DHT is required for penile sensitivity, which is probably why for some that use deca or tren they can last longer, for others like myself I need to be constantly stimulated to keep the erection or after a while regular stimulation isn't enough. Really weird.
At any rate i also go the DHT route with nandrolone or tren. Its just much easier to deal with than dosing/ sourcing caber or using prami, p5p etc. Not to mention dopamine agonists can have some nasty side effects. and i dont aromatize much so the mast or primo takes care of the estrogen. Win win for me and i can keep my test at 500mg +
On a cycle earlier this year i used 350mg of primo alongside 500 test e and at a certain point added 70mg tren ace/ week. I had to substitute mast for primo because i ran out and i kept it at 350mg
Having high prolactin (while using deca) can be completely avoided by not using test or by using a low amount of test. If you keep the estrogen down, you keep the prolactin down. If you add in enough DHT to offset the DHN produced by nandrolone, you won’t have any dick issues. If you search “deca dick” in any body building forum, almost every person is using too high of a testosterone dose.Deca dick or tren dick is from high prolactin. But It's more like prolactin is antagonistic to 5a reductase and therefore the body produces less DHT hence why adding DHT solves the issue. In the end it is still high prolactin causing the issue because if you used a dopamine agonist to tackle it head on you'd lower prolactin and start converting more DHT as a result. If you wanted to you really could still dose your test higher, use the appropriate amount of AI and a DHT and it would work the same if you got everything fine tuned properly.
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DHT is required for penile sensitivity, which is probably why for some that use deca or tren they can last longer, for others like myself I need to be constantly stimulated to keep the erection or after a while regular stimulation isn't enough. Really weird.
At any rate i also go the DHT route with nandrolone or tren. Its just much easier to deal with than dosing/ sourcing caber or using prami, p5p etc. Not to mention dopamine agonists can have some nasty side effects. and i dont aromatize much so the mast or primo takes care of the estrogen. Win win for me and i can keep my test at 500mg +
The study you linked didn’t indicate if the patients were on exogenous hormones, so I assumed that they were not. They were given 500iu of HCG a day, which increased their prolactin. Their natural levels of DHT and T decreased, therefore causing erection issues. This seems easy to understand.
I am by no means an expert, but from what I’ve read it’s not the nandrolone that’s raising prolactin, it’s estrogen (mostly from using too much testosterone with nandrolone). I don’t claim to understand all of this, but I’ve linked a couple of very interesting posts with a lot of study links.
My point is if you control your estrogen, you don’t have prolactin issues (I can see your connection between high prolactin erection issues). You control your estrogen and prolactin by using low or no test.
Nandrolone produces DHN as a metabolite via 5-alpha reductase, which acts as partial agonist and competitively displaces DHT from androgenic tissue, like in the penis.So if you add in a DHT like primo/mast/proviron and you are good to go. We both agree on this.
I just don’t see the appeal of wanting to use high test with nandrolone, and having to use an AI to control estrogen. So I don’t disagree with you that prolactin causes penile issues, but when specifically speaking about nandrolone related issues, I think it’s more about DHN/DHT.
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