First cycle advice.

Revidallets said:
Yo, 21 yrs old, hopping on first cycle soon. Been reading into it for a few months, understand the risks and I understand the stupidity of doing this at my age. However, the benefits outweigh the cons for me and I'm therefore not looking for any "dont do it" typa advice as much as the goodheartdness is a virtue.

That being said, after some browsing around I heard there was some sort of "shortage" going around. This is making me nervous. Im planning to start with 15 weeks of test c (as advised) and Im scared of getting a bad vial. How should I go about minimizing this risk as much as possible? Are there safer ways to source UGLs rather than online advice? Any help is appreciated 👏.
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Yeah man, totally get the nerves around that first cycle — especially with all the noise about underdosed vials and bunk gear floating around lately.


Tbh, there’s still solid stuff out there if you know where to look. Some labs are stepping it up with way tighter brewing standards and even getting third-party testing done now — so the quality is out there, it’s just about separating the real ones from the sketchy kitchen setups.


Like others said, avoid the flashy IG/Telegram plug types. Either build trust in the forums and pay attention to who consistently gets good feedback, or network in person. A few Canadian UGLs have been lowkey killing it lately, just not super loud about it.


As long as you get enough for your full cycle upfront and keep it simple (Test C is a good call), you should be solid. Just remember: it’s not just about the gear — have your PCT locked in and bloodwork ready to go.


Props for doing your homework before hopping on. 👏
 
Bigbear said:
I really highly doubt anyone here did everything by the book, wait until you've maxed out natural potential eat perfect sleep and live perfect then at 35 try your first test only cycle of 250mg lmao. I could care less as long as the op is level headed does his research and is of age. Warning to you though I've seen someone do literally one cycle and end up having a heart attack, going into a coma and being left with an enlarged heart. I have no idea how but I shit you not this happened to a buddy of mine.
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What dosages was he using? Fack.
 
Musclemaker said:
What dosages was he using? Fack.
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He had been on self administered trt for a year or two 150mg test and blasted 300mg of deca for a while. He also smoked and drank amd never did blood work never donated but its all things a rookie might do if not wise enough to it. A perfect storm of shit just forms together and bam.
 
Revidallets said:
Yo, 21 yrs old, hopping on first cycle soon. Been reading into it for a few months, understand the risks and I understand the stupidity of doing this at my age. However, the benefits outweigh the cons for me and I'm therefore not looking for any "dont do it" typa advice as much as the goodheartdness is a virtue.

That being said, after some browsing around I heard there was some sort of "shortage" going around. This is making me nervous. Im planning to start with 15 weeks of test c (as advised) and Im scared of getting a bad vial. How should I go about minimizing this risk as much as possible? Are there safer ways to source UGLs rather than online advice? Any help is appreciated 👏.
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So the responses you’re getting that say 21 is too young are correct. You make no mention of diet or training, that has to be a priority, especially diet. You make no mention of even what your goals are - cutting? bulking?

Those things aside, test only is a great idea - learn exactly how your body reacts to good old testosterone. I know a 25 year old who is on 375/week test and has nipple issues. Remember when playing the hormone game, more is not necessarily better. Side effects are directly proportional to dosage.

Don’t even consider Tren for several years.

Good luck.
 
Musclemaker said:
So the responses you’re getting that say 21 is too young are correct. You make no mention of diet or training, that has to be a priority, especially diet. You make no mention of even what your goals are - cutting? bulking?

Those things aside, test only is a great idea - learn exactly how your body reacts to good old testosterone. I know a 25 year old who is on 375/week test and has nipple issues. Remember when playing the hormone game, more is not necessarily better. Side effects are directly proportional to dosage.

Don’t even consider Tren for several years.

Good luck.
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I'd contend that it's not so much the actual age but the maturity at that age. Guys that age tend to be immature, inexperienced in regards to nutrition and training and have unrealistic expectations of what gear will do.

I started cycling at 27. I trained since I was 14, not always serious or consistently though. I was mature enough back then to realize it wasn't smart to start early especially without a mentor. If I had a mentor and guidance I'd probably start earlier.
 
Revidallets said:
Yo, 21 yrs old, hopping on first cycle soon. Been reading into it for a few months, understand the risks and I understand the stupidity of doing this at my age. However, the benefits outweigh the cons for me and I'm therefore not looking for any "dont do it" typa advice as much as the goodheartdness is a virtue.

That being said, after some browsing around I heard there was some sort of "shortage" going around. This is making me nervous. Im planning to start with 15 weeks of test c (as advised) and Im scared of getting a bad vial. How should I go about minimizing this risk as much as possible? Are there safer ways to source UGLs rather than online advice? Any help is appreciated 👏.
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Why 15 weeks?

Try 8 weeks. Do the PCT. Make sure you recover properly.

Pretty much anyone can put on 30lbs of muscle naturally.
Depending on your genes, the time frame will vary (6 months - 3 years)

Here's my checklist before I did my first ( and only cycle)

[1] Getting 300 grams of protein a day
[2] Put on over 40lbs of muscle naturally first
[3] Tried ****MANY**** different approaches/ philosophies/ routines to body building ( I wish I had done this better before my first cycle)
[4] Understand that you are basically committing to an ongoing thing, your going to loose most of what you gain over some time when you come off, and then want to do it again to get it back. ( that may not be how you imagined it so understand that)
[5] determine that you are not getting bigger or stronger for an entire year of training and and you already satisfied [2] : still want more then it makes sense

if you can do it naturally, you are actually in a better place then people who need the gear ( you are going to be that way year round same size, same sexual function, girls want a normal guy not a body builder most of the time, definitely rather a guy who can have sex than one who looks good and can't)

I am 275lbs at 6 ft naturally. I don't even eat meat, its all eggs lol.

Also consider that muscle building is slow. It takes years.

As far as your question about a bad vial. I had all the same concerns. I hung out on forums and talked and learned long enough that I saw enough other people reporting about what they were using, I got some confidence about it based on everyone's posts, and eventually took the risk.

It is still always going to be a risk.

I went 15 years without doing a second cycle, because I realized if I just waited a year I would gain that muscle I got in 10 week cycle, and I would be able to keep it, also I got as big as I ever needed without AAS after anyway.

Only now at 40 am I considering dipping back in for competition purposes.
 
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One other big one, and I speak from a life time of lost training, from injuries to my back

You need a really good sense of how to train before you try a cycle. ( like many years of figuring out what is too much and what is too little)

When you do the cycle, your going to feel stronger, its going to be easier to lift weight.

You may try to up your deadlift a shit ton as a result.

You may end up unable to work out for 5 years as a result. ( back injury and I didnt even feel it)

True story !
 
klhsx said:
One other big one, and I speak from a life time of lost training, from injuries to my back

You need a really good sense of how to train before you try a cycle. ( like many years of figuring out what is too much and what is too little)

When you do the cycle, your going to feel stronger, its going to be easier to lift weight.

You may try to up your deadlift a shit ton as a result.

You may end up unable to work out for 5 years as a result. ( back injury and I didnt even feel it)

True story !
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Yep, hurt my left shoulder bad on my first cycle of dbol and test. Got too strong too fast. Took over a year for it to get better and it still sometimes gives me grief.

The original poster hasn’t been on the board since August, so who knows if he’s ran his cycle or not.

If you click on their names it tells you when they were on last.

But either way, great advice.
 
so here’s what i’m getting from this thread

3 meals a day, one from his mom’s family dinner

severely underweight with anorexia, so obviously already mentally unwell to some degree to have that severe of an eating disorder

my friends do it so i should do it mentality

zyzz was from the same ethnicity so i should do drugs

idk man sounds like you need to soul search a bit before jumping into these drug. they’re powerful man, not just like taking a flintstone’s gummy. I started when I was 21, and I know it feels like you know everything and anything right now. I’m only a little older than you, and can say I knew fuck all at 21. honestly to me it doesn’t sound like you’ve even optimized any aspect of lifting (eating, training, recovery, sleep etc.) which are all vastly more important than the drugs. Your age isn’t the issue for me, it’s simply what you’ve outlined.

Do as you will man but it’s a bad idea. This one cycle and you may never have children (no one wants children at 21,) may have to take replacement testosterone for the rest of your life, or even have some defects you didn’t know you had come to light, which can make you very ill.
 
Trenbolone&Cheese said:
so here’s what i’m getting from this thread

3 meals a day, one from his mom’s family dinner

severely underweight with anorexia, so obviously already mentally unwell to some degree to have that severe of an eating disorder

my friends do it so i should do it mentality

zyzz was from the same ethnicity so i should do drugs

idk man sounds like you need to soul search a bit before jumping into these drug. they’re powerful man, not just like taking a flintstone’s gummy. I started when I was 21, and I know it feels like you know everything and anything right now. I’m only a little older than you, and can say I knew fuck all at 21. honestly to me it doesn’t sound like you’ve even optimized any aspect of lifting (eating, training, recovery, sleep etc.) which are all vastly more important than the drugs. Your age isn’t the issue for me, it’s simply what you’ve outlined.

Do as you will man but it’s a bad idea. This one cycle and you may never have children (no one wants children at 21,) may have to take replacement testosterone for the rest of your life, or even have some defects you didn’t know you had come to light, which can make you very ill.
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OP didn't even show back up.

I know a flake when I see one. Called it out earlier. Lots of "trust me bro" types looking to "hop on" (fml i hate that saying) then they disappear.

CoolRick said:
If you're underweight you need food not drugs.

Every now and again we get posts like this from young guys that make it sound like gear will change their lives drastically then they disappear. My guess is they find out it's not the magical unicorn juice they thought it was.

By all means do as you please, but the way this post reads is as though you have it all figured out but anyone with experience will probably agree that you're 180 degrees out.

Best of luck.
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CoolRick said:
Right on. I did 250mg for 10 weeks for my first injectable cycle and it worked great. Honestly I'd do it again.

If i had to go back, with the knowledge i have now I'd do:
250mg test or deca per week
2iu GH
Lantus

All for 8 weeks max

Definitely no need for big doses in the beginning. It's all about micronutrient rich foods and hard training.
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Did you go on PCT after the 10week cycle? Or did you just TRT?

Thanks.
 
CoolRick said:
I always came completely off between cycles for a minimum of 8 weeks.

My PCT was just HCG mono-therapy for a few weeks as the gear left my system.
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How much of the gains did you retain? Why only hcg? Did you already have your next cycle planned ahead, or was that your only cycle in mind?
 
Ilovelearning said:
How much of the gains did you retain? Why only hcg? Did you already have your next cycle planned ahead, or was that your only cycle in mind?
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Pretty much all of it. 8-10 weeks off isn't enough time to go backwards significantly, especially as a beginner. Yes my next cycle was already planned ahead.

HCG only was what I did later on because I don't like clomid or any of those other things. HCG simply acted as a bridge between cycles to "clean out" and restore androgen sensitivity. Not a popular theory these days because of a study that's been parroted to death about androgen receptors. 🤦🏽

I like to put it this way, taking gear is like pumping up a tire with a nail in it. Each pump (cycle) you gain but between pumps some air leaks out.

A word of advice, if you accept it'll always be temporary you'll be much healthier in mind, body and spirit. Not accepting that usually leads to addiction/ abuse with many justifying "TRT+"(still a cycle) or "cruising" on lower, albeit higher than TRT dosages, to keep their gains between cycles.
 
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