Are there any fast acting testosterones that may help my situation?

Bigbear

Bigbear

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So my issue is I've been on trt for maybe 3 or 4 years. I came off recently to try having a baby. I've been off maybe 2 months or so and I'm using hcg at 1500iu a week. I'm waiting for semen analysis and wifey isn't prego yet. I've read some studies saying hcg treatment could take up to a year to get full testicular/seminal function. My testosterone and libido haven't came back and I don't think they will. I'm wondering if there is an option I could use once and a while for date night with the wife that would be fast acting and able to use almost like a pre workout but also that won't shut me down for longer. Are there any options? I'm guessing things like proviron, test suspension or test no ester but I'm not familiar with any of these things.
 
Also, I'm keeping a strict workout routine, im constantly feeling like I'm over training (low libido, Insomnia...), but I don't know if it's just symptoms of low testosterone or if I'm actually over training. I'm well aware that I made this bed and I'm ready to sleep in it if I have to, but if there's any options I'm willing to try them out.
 
Maybe I'll feel better after longer use of hcg, I did it for about a month and then all the pharmacies had a big shortage and couldn't get it again until recently.
 
Vigorous Steve goes into great detail maybe rewatch, as he was recently in your shoes trying to conceive.
Good luck guy!
 
No aas is going to act on libido like you're looking for....like pin a non estered test and see a marked increase in libido a short while later. Regular pinning would be required....and that's not ideal it would seem.

Regular proviron use may be helpful as described by Bayer. Also seems to possibly increase sperm production as well.

You could also try serms along with the hcg perhaps.....lots out there on hcg and clomid use for fertility improvement in males.

And then of course regular ED med use would also be helpful....just to be sure you are in a state of constant readiness lol
 
Proviron and Cialis can both be of benefit regarding production volume frequency etc. Could get script too with the proper discussion.
 
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Bigbear said:
So my issue is I've been on trt for maybe 3 or 4 years. I came off recently to try having a baby. I've been off maybe 2 months or so and I'm using hcg at 1500iu a week. I'm waiting for semen analysis and wifey isn't prego yet. I've read some studies saying hcg treatment could take up to a year to get full testicular/seminal function. My testosterone and libido haven't came back and I don't think they will. I'm wondering if there is an option I could use once and a while for date night with the wife that would be fast acting and able to use almost like a pre workout but also that won't shut me down for longer. Are there any options? I'm guessing things like proviron, test suspension or test no ester but I'm not familiar with any of these things.
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I was in the same boat as you (at it again right now), any reason why you haven’t added Clomid to your regimen? It’ll help you become fertile quicker, increase the libido and energy as well
 
I doubt your test won't come back to "normal levels" after only 3 or 4 years of trt. Might take a while but it should bounce back. When I came off trt I was at 17.5 total T around the 3 months mark and 25~ after 6 months. 20 mg prescribed Tamoxifen.

Did you get any blood work done since you came off?
 
Keep in mind some docs still and used to prescribe testosterone for low sperm count hoping for a rebound effect. It makes zero sense and taking either for this purpose is controversial albeit Proviron has some info backing up the claim of sperm increase. I don't know how as it defies logic (IMO) but the internet is full of info saying it may. This is an example of Proviron helping some men - https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2892728/.

I would not touch any steroid, any ester period, you are delaying the solution to the problem. You need to find out what the sperm test says. Once you have this, hopefully you have others to compare to and see if it is getting better.
If it was me and you knew the time of the month when she was ovulating, I would take PT-141 to help increase the libido and help with erections. Add in a dose of ED meds like Viagra or Cialis and you have a potent combo.
As far as pregnancy goes, if it is important to you, I hate to say it but don't touch any steroids period. Keep ramming the HCG to you or if you can get your hands on HMG - even better. @biguglynewf already said it but I would be adding in Clomid (Serm) like I was doing a PCT. I'm essentially regurgitating what he said albeit I would throw HMG in the mix if you can get it and there is no reason for a doctor not to prescribe it if you take in medical literature.

Stick with it and I am sure your numbers will improve over time. The unfortunate part of all this is they always concentrate on the woman and if your sperm count comes back low, or the morphology is bad - most docs, unless a doc who specializes in male fertility (good luck finding one) - don't do fuck all and often just say wait when they can prescribe a lot of medication to help. If the test isn't good - make sure you have literature to give the doctor to show he/she can help by giving you medication.

Most supplements won't make a difference and won't increase your libido much but if I was you - I would make sure I was getting enough or taking D-aspartic acid, zinc, and higher doses of Vitamin D. There are others but I suspect you get enough of those in your diet. The aforementioned I would supplement.

good luck.
 
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I was in the same boat as you (at it again right now), any reason why you haven’t added Clomid to your regimen? It’ll help you become fertile quicker, increase the libido and energy as well
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I've just been going with what my doc gave me. Maybe I'll get some from a ugl though
 
DaveTbk said:
I doubt your test won't come back to "normal levels" after only 3 or 4 years of trt. Might take a while but it should bounce back. When I came off trt I was at 17.5 total T around the 3 months mark and 25~ after 6 months. 20 mg prescribed Tamoxifen.

Did you get any blood work done since you came off?
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No blood work yet. I think I'm due for some in about a month
 
Semen Analysis is a must bro, get it done

Fuck them docs. I was going to a specialist an actual fertility clinic back and forth back and forth until he said it’s not possible to have a child without the clinic’s intervention via insemination. So I said fuck you, went and got a requisition for a semen analysis and went to Dynacare (you can see and save results online quick when you’re a member) made a thread here and adhered to the solid advice, and started hcg+ clomid. I think I did higher dose hcg and clomid everyday. I went and got another requisition for another semen analysis a few weeks in just to see my progress and things were improving. After 3 months wife got pregnant. Waited a few months more after she was pregnant (made sure no miscarriage) and then hopped on trt.

2 yrs later and now I’m off trt again and back on the hcg + clomid protocol to put another one in the oven. I take prescription cialis and ugl cialis for wonderful fucknights

Your hcg dose is pretty low. 1,500/wk is usually taken while on trt or cycle, but for fertility it should be 3,000/wk for the first few wks and then you can drop to 1,500.

Long story short, you’ll be fine bro.
Semen analysis
Hcg 3,000/wk + Clomid 50/day
Drop hcg to 1,500/wk and Clomid to 25/day
Get another semen analysis 4-5 wks later to track your progress and continue with your regimen. Should take 3-4 months for her to get pregnant, don’t despair. I was stressed the fuck out myself and now I’m watching the little bastard stuff pizza into my shoe as I type this
 
Umm unless I've been severely misled HCG should be increasing your testosterone to natural high levels. I know I stay horny if I take HCG it's like a fast acting testosterone.
 
Devson said:
Umm unless I've been severely misled HCG should be increasing your testosterone to natural high levels. I know I stay horny if I take HCG it's like a fast acting testosterone.
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Yea I thought so too. Either my dose is too low or maybe my estrogen is a bit high. I'm going for blood work soon, I've also asked my doc to think about adding in clomid and/ or hmg. The other thing is the pharmacy supplier had a shortage of hcg so I did it for a month, then stopped for a month and just started again about 2 weeks ago.
 
Bigbear said:
Did your doctor perscrib it or just ugl?
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I bought human grade from a ugl...

When I was reffered to a endo at the univerirty hospital my test was ridicuusly low.. the dr's were shocked I was able to have 2 kids in my current state.. I told them "I just took climid 50mg a day till wife got knocked up.. both kids took less than 2 cycles of my wife to get pregrant.. we tried for almost 2 years for the first one and nothing.. took clomid for a month and she was knocked up first time she was fertile".. Main Dr didn't have anythign to say lol.. The other dr was a resident and said "what? Who prescribed you clomid ?"... I explained to her how clomid works and told her I got it off the black market.. She didn't look like she beleived me and she looked at the endo and he just nodded his head lol..

Later on in that appoitment the resident was tellign me they would give me a 3 yearish presciption but she wanted to talk about if I wanted to have any other kids that going on TRT might not be a good idea until I had all the kids I wanted.. I told her I think I was done having kids, but if I wanted another one I'd just hope off test and take clomid again.. She didn't really seem to understand and asked about where I would get it, its not approved etc.... the real endo just nodded his head and said something like "I think he'll be able to figure it out if he wants too"
 
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