TRT @120mg/week -- Dosing up to 500mg/week -- how long to get normalized after for bloodwork

SmoothSailing

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Happy Wednesday CB Family!

My main question is how long I should stop the increased dose of Test-E (500mg/week) and go back to my maintaining dose of 120mg/week to ensure all my blood profiles are back to where they were before I upped my dose.

Background:
I've been working with an endocrinologist for 2 years after many cycles, abuse and on-going cycles to maintain at 120mg/week (she even wanted me to go to 100mg/week).
I get blood work every 6 months and have a call with the person to review.
My last one was recent and all was looking good, red blood cell count was down, everything else was looking good. My next appointment is either going to be start or mid-June for bloodwork and review.

Now.... my current situation.
I wanted to get a bit of a boost and also due to an upcoming vacation, so I have upped my dose as of yesterday to 250mg/week x 2 shots a week so 500mg/week.
Also, I only have 23 days so I know this will be a waste other then strength and pump but I am doing Anavar at 60mg ED for 23 days. (reason for 23 days is I fly and leave the country so I can't bring it with me). I will also be adding 23 days of TORCH by Syn Pharmaceutical's which is: (40mg CAFFEINE + 25mg GREEN TEA + 9mg VINPOCETINE + 3mg YOHIMBINE+ 3mg ALBUTEROL).

The TORCH and Var will be done after 23 days so I am not worried about that but the 500mg/week of Test-E vs my 120mg/week of Test-E is my concern.
My goal was to run it from Jan 09th - April 09th and then drop back down to 120mg/week from April 09th - June when I have to get my blood work and I was wondering if that is enough time or if she will notice a change in anything that could put my script at risk.

Much thanks the time and help.
Have a great day.
 
Personally I would do at least 6 weeks. 8 would better. This will give your lipids plenty of time to recover provided you continue a clean diet, keep up with cardio, and take some supplements to help. Your SHBG will also be lower and will take time to recover.
 
what would you do if they call out of the blue for some reason and wanted to pull bloods?
On long esters you’d have to make excuses for a month, on quick esters you only need an excuse for a week.
If you are concerned about risking your script, I’d recommend adding compounds that will clear your system quickly just in case.
 
SmoothSailing said:
Happy Wednesday CB Family!

My main question is how long I should stop the increased dose of Test-E (500mg/week) and go back to my maintaining dose of 120mg/week to ensure all my blood profiles are back to where they were before I upped my dose.

Background:
I've been working with an endocrinologist for 2 years after many cycles, abuse and on-going cycles to maintain at 120mg/week (she even wanted me to go to 100mg/week).
I get blood work every 6 months and have a call with the person to review.
My last one was recent and all was looking good, red blood cell count was down, everything else was looking good. My next appointment is either going to be start or mid-June for bloodwork and review.

Now.... my current situation.
I wanted to get a bit of a boost and also due to an upcoming vacation, so I have upped my dose as of yesterday to 250mg/week x 2 shots a week so 500mg/week.
Also, I only have 23 days so I know this will be a waste other then strength and pump but I am doing Anavar at 60mg ED for 23 days. (reason for 23 days is I fly and leave the country so I can't bring it with me). I will also be adding 23 days of TORCH by Syn Pharmaceutical's which is: (40mg CAFFEINE + 25mg GREEN TEA + 9mg VINPOCETINE + 3mg YOHIMBINE+ 3mg ALBUTEROL). FYI FWIW Yohimbe is useless for fat burning purposes if you are not fasted, as soon as you eat pretty much anything that even slightly stimulates insulin it's action stops, as always I welcome being corrected if anyone has some proof otherwise

The TORCH and Var will be done after 23 days so I am not worried about that but the 500mg/week of Test-E vs my 120mg/week of Test-E is my concern.
My goal was to run it from Jan 09th - April 09th and then drop back down to 120mg/week from April 09th - June when I have to get my blood work and I was wondering if that is enough time or if she will notice a change in anything that could put my script at risk. When in June? I have not worked it out but I think this would be cutting it pretty close. What plasma level are you shooting for? IOW what did they find acceptable until now, what were your previous BW results? Were past bloods drawn consistently timed with relation to your shots?

Much thanks the time and help.
Have a great day.
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With answers to all those questions above I could work it out "on paper" but individual differences apply so you would always want to build in some xtra buffer in a case like this to be safe.

EDIT - @RigPig posted while I was typing. That's a good method as well, way less math lol. I'd still build in a little more more buffer time though, maybe three weeks? Call me paranoid but too many horror stories of script seekers having trouble, why risk it for a bit more time?
 
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4_horsemen said:
Personally I would do at least 6 weeks. 8 would better. This will give your lipids plenty of time to recover provided you continue a clean diet, keep up with cardio, and take some supplements to help. Your SHBG will also be lower and will take time to recover.
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Thank you, do you by chance know of any good supplements that would help for this?
(Haven't done any research so seeing if you can save me time, otherwise I will do the google)
 
RigPig said:
what would you do if they call out of the blue for some reason and wanted to pull bloods?
On long esters you’d have to make excuses for a month, on quick esters you only need an excuse for a week.
If you are concerned about risking your script, I’d recommend adding compounds that will clear your system quickly just in case.
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Yeah that is great information.
I doubt they would do that as she barely shows up for my meetings and usually pushes them.
Good idea though - I already purchased the TestE but this will be the route going forward.

Thank you
 
gondar1 said:
With answers to all those questions above I could work it out "on paper" but individual differences apply so you would always want to build in some xtra buffer in a case like this to be safe.

EDIT - @RigPig posted while I was typing. That's a good method as well, way less math lol. I'd still build in a little more more buffer time though, maybe three weeks? Call me paranoid but too many horror stories of script seekers having trouble, why risk it for a bit more time?
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Yeah I am going to give myself about 7-8 weeks and may try to reschedule and push it out further.
Hopefully that will be good enough
 
If you have access to private blood tests through a naturopath, why chance it? I did both with test enanthate and test propinate on a TRT dosage and how many days it takes to bring me below the numbers docs consider handing out a script. This is not the same scenario but same idea. You could easily stop and then get bloods done and you will know how approximately how many days you have to be off. Just tell the Naturopath this is not to go into your medical file and it won't. They will review it with you but the info is yours, not the medical system.
I would not jeopardize a TRT script without some dry runs. Keep in mind you can take other PED's that don't show up as testosterone and give good results. The caveat is they may change other hormones like LH, SHBG - depending what the endo tests and if they pull a full panel, you will want to be off for quite a while or she/he will know you are gaming the system or at least suspect it.
Unfortunately, this can be costly but leaves nothing to chance.
@RigPig 's idea is great too - short esters if you don't want to get your own bloods done.
Good luck
 
Goldenrod said:
If you have access to private blood tests through a naturopath, why chance it? I did both with test enanthate and test propinate on a TRT dosage and how many days it takes to bring me below the numbers docs consider handing out a script. This is not the same scenario but same idea. You could easily stop and then get bloods done and you will know how approximately how many days you have to be off. Just tell the Naturopath this is not to go into your medical file and it won't. They will review it with you but the info is yours, not the medical system.
I would not jeopardize a TRT script without some dry runs. Keep in mind you can take other PED's that don't show up as testosterone and give good results. The caveat is they may change other hormones like LH, SHBG - depending what the endo tests and if they pull a full panel, you will want to be off for quite a while or she/he will know you are gaming the system or at least suspect it.
Unfortunately, this can be costly but leaves nothing to chance.
@RigPig 's idea is great too - short esters if you don't want to get your own bloods done.
Good luck
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Thank you
I didn’t know getting bloodwork done privately and not having it go on my record was an option.
Hmmm I’ll have to look into this as I don’t mind paying for that to see what’s going on before going in.

Thanks
 
SmoothSailing said:
Thank you, do you by chance know of any good supplements that would help for this?
(Haven't done any research so seeing if you can save me time, otherwise I will do the google)
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I use citrus bergamot, nattokinase and fish oil to help with lipids. I also use ground flax seed and Metamucil. LISS Cardio will help your lipids recover
 
SmoothSailing said:
Thank you
I didn’t know getting bloodwork done privately and not having it go on my record was an option.
Hmmm I’ll have to look into this as I don’t mind paying for that to see what’s going on before going in.

Thanks
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With all due respect to our fine friend @Goldenrod one should note that you must be very careful here. If they have your PHN and the lab does any portion of billing to the gov the results will be on file. Your Dr would have to look through your history but it could happen if for example she wanted to chart your past results.

He made a very good point though, I've done those same type of experiments he mentions. Across the border the don't require ID. Actually I should say they didn't used too, I've heard things tightened up some.
 
I agree with goldenrod, im guessing your shbg,ast,alt, hematocrit estrodial might all be messed up. Might want to look at old blood results to know what your baseline is then do a private test.
 
gondar1 said:
With all due respect to our fine friend @Goldenrod one should note that you must be very careful here. If they have your PHN and the lab does any portion of billing to the gov the results will be on file. Your Dr would have to look through your history but it could happen if for example she wanted to chart your past results.

He made a very good point though, I've done those same type of experiments he mentions. Across the border the don't require ID. Actually I should say they didn't used too, I've heard things tightened up some.
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you think all those levels could still be screwed up after going back to 120mg/week for 8 weeks?
 
SmoothSailing said:
you think all those levels could still be screwed up after going back to 120mg/week for 8 weeks?
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No.
But.

I should have made sure to point out the questions I put in big bold letters on top of your post in my post #6, you might not see them if you don't tap on "click to expand". I'm on a laptop so I'm not sure how it looks on a phone,

The Test you ran at 500 will be dropped down to around TRT plasma levels in about 4 weeks but the answers to those questions might be the critical difference because you would have to consider the additional 120 and it's rate off drop off. That's where the math (spreadsheet actually) gets tricky. Those answers would let me know your conversion rate and tighten up the margins if you were consistent in your approach and results.

When I do this type of thing for myself I have lots of consistently derived data so I can dial it in exceptionally well. I know when to stop, I drop everything and just let it fall until I know that my plasma level will be where I want it, then I do bloods that day. Me and my Doc have agreed on 700ng/dl and I have hit that exactly a couple of times and within 5 or so a couple of times.
When I do it for someone else and I don't have accurate data accuracy is off as you would expect.

At this point we are all just giving you are best guesses.
 
gondar1 said:
With all due respect to our fine friend @Goldenrod one should note that you must be very careful here. If they have your PHN and the lab does any portion of billing to the gov the results will be on file. Your Dr would have to look through your history but it could happen if for example she wanted to chart your past results.

He made a very good point though, I've done those same type of experiments he mentions. Across the border the don't require ID. Actually I should say they didn't used too, I've heard things tightened up some.
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Hi @gondar1 - in this Province you have two options and I agree be careful and ask questions:
1. sent to your doctor and you don't pay an additional $50 to talk to a Naturopath if there is anything off. It obviously is in your record. They don't ask for your health card number either. 40% or more in this Province don't have a doctor so there is no one to talk to and the worst case scenario is it gets put in your file but that is somewhat irrelevant.
2. If nothing is off, they just give it to you and no additional charge. If anything is out of the parameters, you have a 15 minute call with a Naturopath and pay them. They are forbidden by contract you sign to share these results with anyone due to the privacy act.

The lab (They use Dynacare) sends it to the Naturopath and not your doc. I am somewhat outspoken and told them up front I am not confrontational but if any of my results ever end up in my medical file, I would sue them so mark on the front of my file I don't want to have a consult with a Naturopath and I don't want it sent to my doctor but they can't do it, legally here, without a chat if anything is off they can't do the blood work. I do not think I know more than a Naturopath who has two degrees but if anything is off my Neurological Osteopath was a nurse and then shadowed a doc for 1 year before starting his practice. Yes, he was a nurse and if you saw him you wouldn't make fun of being a male nurse. He is a Canadian powerlifting champion for multiple years. I am still friends with my old GP and another powerlifter who is semi retired is an orthopaedic surgeon. They are all willing to discuss off the record but not in their clinics for legal reasons. If it is off, which my last had bloods had one marker off, we talked but it does not go to the Canadian Medical system. All provinces are different so never take anything for granted.
It isn't cheap if anything is off - CBC, liver, GGT is a single test you have to request for liver?, and kidney and ferritin/iron was $99 for the lab. Then $50 for the consult. Total $150 and I was confirming what I thought, my body didn't like a specific PED and my ALT went through the roof. Retested when I was sick a few weeks later through the medical system and it was back to normal because I stopped taking it.

Just a FYI - I'm not being defensive and anything you have to add to any comment / post people should read.
 
Ok my answer will be different.
You want a flat stomach for holidays to look good, don't increase your test dose before going.

As a guy who has experimented with this numerous times before holidays, my stomach is the least bloated looking if I go on holidays on trt. 500 mg of test a week will swell all muscles including your abs.

If I was to take anything before going it would be mast or winny to dry out.

If you wanted to blast you need to do it far enough before to gain the weight then taper off about a month before.

Ephedrine 2 times a day (8mg) with cardio and a good diet will have you stripping fat and I know ephedrine works. I am not a big believer in fat burners.
 
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