Long-term HGH use

[Framerboy]

This post is just to hear out members on HGH . My question is does anyone use it longterm ? Or is there a end goal like a cycle would have? I know lots of vets have used it and just curious not why they use it but how they use it and for how long is this a lifetime thing ? Should you stop taking it? Should u micro dose it long term .

 

[jadedbuddha]

after reading a lot it seems to gain the benefits of HGH insulin is required which kinda of makes it not worth it? please chime in great widoms

 

[entropy]

I’m also curious.

What worries me the most is acromegaly. When would you start seeing this and at what dose? Been keeping tabs on my fingers and jaw.

Is the gut growth a myth? Is it the result of super high doses with insulin? Or eating 10k calories a day? Or a combination of all?

 

[Goldenrod]

It depends on your goals. If your competing you are obviously taking more and need to monitor your BG and possible use other compounds which I don't know enough about to give proper advice. I won't touch insulin.
I used HGH (script) for 6 months and for a year before. Does it make you grow massive muscles at the amount I take - no. I used 1-3 IU a day. Keep in mind I am older and was trying to get my HGH back to what it would be if I was 20. Did I grow when I added it to the TRT - yes, but it is a long term commitment. If you can't afford quality HGH for 6 months, I wouldn't bother.

I listen to a competitor who has forgot more than I know about this topic and was a top competitor in Canada. In his words - do not take over 3 IU a day unless you are going to consider careful monitoring and insulin use. As for insulin use, I was not willing to go there so I used on average 2 IU. People who are taking 6-12 IU a day blindly without monitoring and the use of other compounds could end up with issues. Not the statement 'could' - I have no idea as everyone is different. I mostly used prescribed Serostim. That being said, many people say generic HGH works well so nothing against generics - it is a choice I made with GH years ago.

The main reason for taking it was injury prevention and injury healing. If you can work out harder and potentially more without injuries, that alone makes HGH worth it tome. That being said, I will not take for more than a year. I take a break, get blood work again and consider prescription HGH is F'n expensive if you don't have a script.
The concept you must take insulin to make HGH worth it - I don't agree. I love the stuff but it messes my sleep. It is like TRT for growth hormone as your levels go down as you age. It is a double edged sword - keep in mind this is an opinion based on reading / listening and I am not remotely close to a doctor. GH can not cause cancer but it will increase your IGF and if you get cancer, it is like throwing gas on the cancer and it grows faster, that is what I mean by double edged sword. Hence another reason why I use lower amounts but still monitor my blood glucose.
If you want long term benefits and know what you doing and will run the risk under the guidance of a reputable coach / buddy system - maybe HGH/Insulin is for you but I can't advise people on it. I only know the medical reason for using insulin well.

@entropy:
"What worries me the most is acromegaly. When would you start seeing this and at what dose? Been keeping tabs on my fingers and jaw.

Is the gut growth a myth? Is it the result of super high doses with insulin? Or eating 10k calories a day? Or a combination of all?"

I don't think your going to experience that issue unless you are really stepping on the gas. Gut growth is not a myth. Keep in mind I am writing from speaking with multiple guys who use it. They have what is referred to as GH gut. It sticks out, can still me ripped and hard as rock but guys who have used large amounts for long periods can chime in with more knowledge.

 

[Musclemaker]

@Goldenrod

Did you taper off? Cold turkey?

 

[fcinter]

It depends on your goals. If your competing you are obviously taking more and need to monitor your BG and possible use other compounds which I don't know enough about to give proper advice. I won't touch insulin.
I used HGH (script) for 6 months and for a year before. Does it make you grow massive muscles at the amount I take - no. I used 1-3 IU a day. Keep in mind I am older and was trying to get my HGH back to what it would be if I was 20. Did I grow when I added it to the TRT - yes, but it is a long term commitment. If you can't afford quality HGH for 6 months, I wouldn't bother.

I listen to a competitor who has forgot more than I know about this topic and was a top competitor in Canada. In his words - do not take over 3 IU a day unless you are going to consider careful monitoring and insulin use. As for insulin use, I was not willing to go there so I used on average 2 IU. People who are taking 6-12 IU a day blindly without monitoring and the use of other compounds could end up with issues. Not the statement 'could' - I have no idea as everyone is different. I mostly used prescribed Serostim. That being said, many people say generic HGH works well so nothing against generics - it is a choice I made with GH years ago.

The main reason for taking it was injury prevention and injury healing. If you can work out harder and potentially more without injuries, that alone makes HGH worth it tome. That being said, I will not take for more than a year. I take a break, get blood work again and consider prescription HGH is F'n expensive if you don't have a script.
The concept you must take insulin to make HGH worth it - I don't agree. I love the stuff but it messes my sleep. It is like TRT for growth hormone as your levels go down as you age. It is a double edged sword - keep in mind this is an opinion based on reading / listening and I am not remotely close to a doctor. GH can not cause cancer but it will increase your IGF and if you get cancer, it is like throwing gas on the cancer and it grows faster, that is what I mean by double edged sword. Hence another reason why I use lower amounts but still monitor my blood glucose.
If you want long term benefits and know what you doing and will run the risk under the guidance of a reputable coach / buddy system - maybe HGH/Insulin is for you but I can't advise people on it. I only know the medical reason for using insulin well.

@entropy:
"What worries me the most is acromegaly. When would you start seeing this and at what dose? Been keeping tabs on my fingers and jaw.

Is the gut growth a myth? Is it the result of super high doses with insulin? Or eating 10k calories a day? Or a combination of all?"

I don't think your going to experience that issue unless you are really stepping on the gas. Gut growth is not a myth. Keep in mind I am writing from speaking with multiple guys who use it. They have what is referred to as GH gut. It sticks out, can still me ripped and hard as rock but guys who have used large amounts for long periods can chime in with more knowledge.

Did your Dr assess you for an injury that required HGH? Asking as I have an existing knee (ACL surgery) and shoulder injury (flares up after intense workouts).

I have spoken with my Dr and he has never prescribed HGH to anyone on TRT and has recommended that I see an Endo for anything outside of TRT, since he admittedly has only experience with TRT injections and creams with his patients.

 

[Goldenrod]

Did your Dr assess you for an injury that required HGH? Asking as I have an existing knee (ACL surgery) and shoulder injury (flares up after intense workouts).

I have spoken with my Dr and he has never prescribed HGH to anyone on TRT and has recommended that I see an Endo for anything outside of TRT, since he admittedly has only experience with TRT injections and creams with his patients.

No, I bought script HGH from a trusted source. Not only are they a trusted source but you can put a scanner on your phone to confirm it's validity. It was not prescribed but I did talk to my Orthopaedic surgeon about it's use. He is a power lifter and is open about PED's and peptides. I used it to help heal when I was a mess with multiple injuries. Used a few peptides, two steroids (low dose), and low dose HGH. I was diagnosed with injuries but they won't diagnose HGH. You can go to an TRT clinic and they will prescribe it and it is less expensive. I will eventually go in that direction.

 

[Goldenrod]

@Goldenrod

Did you taper off? Cold turkey?

Cold turkey - no bad sides from stopping cold turkey but keep in mind I was taking low doses. I never saw the need to pyramid with HGH but others may disagree.

 

[fcinter]

No, I bought script HGH from a trusted source. Not only are they a trusted source but you can put a scanner on your phone to confirm it's validity. It was not prescribed but I did talk to my Orthopaedic surgeon about it's use. He is a power lifter and is open about PED's and peptides. I used it to help heal when I was a mess with multiple injuries. Used a few peptides, two steroids (low dose), and low dose HGH. I was diagnosed with injuries but they won't diagnose HGH. You can go to an TRT clinic and they will prescribe it and it is less expensive. I will eventually go in that direction.

Thanks dude...I have been thinking about heading to a TRT clinic, will need to do more research as my current script TRT has given me good results so far, outside of the recurring shoulder issue and knee swelling and aching after lower body workouts.

 

[entropy]

Thanks dude...I have been thinking about heading to a TRT clinic, will need to do more research as my current script TRT has given me good results so far, outside of the recurring shoulder issue and knee swelling and aching after lower body workouts.

I recommend you look into PRP therapy for the shoulders. Knee swelling could be a meniscus tear. Either way, prp helps. I’ve don’t three sessions for each shoulder and knee so far. Many success stories. Worth a look.

 

[fcinter]

I recommend you look into PRP therapy for the shoulders. Knee swelling could be a meniscus tear. Either way, prp helps. I’ve don’t three sessions for each shoulder and knee so far. Many success stories. Worth a look.

Yea my knee was operated on about 7 years ago now for ACL, the swelling happens when go heavy on leg workouts. Under normal load and stress it seems to hold up okay.

Is PRP therapy covered by OHIP?

 

[entropy]

Yea my knee was operated on about 7 years ago now for ACL, the swelling happens when go heavy on leg workouts. Under normal load and stress it seems to hold up okay.

Is PRP therapy covered by OHIP?

It’s not covered. I do not know if there are exceptions.

I do my own PRP therapy lol gonna make a thread about it soon.

 

[gondar1]

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I do my own PRP therapy lol gonna make a thread about it soon.

ooooo, exciting!

 

[Palmer1991]

It’s not covered. I do not know if there are exceptions.

I do my own PRP therapy lol gonna make a thread about it soon.

What is prp and what's in all those vials and what's the machine? Lol

 

[entropy]

What is prp and what's in all those vials and what's the machine? Lol

Your blood contains growth factors that heal your injuries. These are platelets. When you get injured, blood rushes there and heals your injury site. When you draw blood and spin it in a centrifuge, you separate these platelets and inject it into the site of injury. It is more concentrated than what is in the blood and it can heal old injuries where healing has come to a halt. Blood has three components: erythrocytes (red blood cells), leukocytes (white blood cells), and plasma with growth factors. Platelet rich plasma is what PRP stands for and it is the yellow stuff you see in those syringes. The tubes are filled with blood. The machine is a centrifuge to separate the components. I studied all the research and made my own procedures. So far I did both shoulders and knees 4 times and the ankles once. Each joint costs 600 bucks at a clinic plus they use less blood. I mix them with 10% lidocaine minimum because it would burn otherwise. It takes times but worth it. Will give myself probably around 20k worth of therapy and it cost me less than 3K.

Planning on making a webpage to show tutorials for those who can’t afford clinics but I don’t know where that stands in terms of legality.

 

[Palmer1991]

Your blood contains growth factors that heal your injuries. These are platelets. When you get injured, blood rushes there and heals your injury site. When you draw blood and spin it in a centrifuge, you separate these platelets and inject it into the site of injury. It is more concentrated than what is in the blood and it can heal old injuries where healing has come to a halt. Blood has three components: erythrocytes (red blood cells), leukocytes (white blood cells), and plasma with growth factors. Platelet rich plasma is what PRP stands for and it is the yellow stuff you see in those syringes. The tubes are filled with blood. The machine is a centrifuge to separate the components. I studied all the research and made my own procedures. So far I did both shoulders and knees 4 times and the ankles once. Each joint costs 600 bucks at a clinic plus they use less blood. I mix them with 10% lidocaine minimum because it would burn otherwise. It takes times but worth it. Will give myself probably around 20k worth of therapy and it cost me less than 3K.

Planning on making a webpage to show tutorials for those who can’t afford clinics but I don’t know where that stands in terms of legality.

I would def be interested in learning about that. I might be too bitch to inject myself near a joint though. Sharp things and joints is what created my needle phobia. If we couldn't inject into the muscle or do sub q for steroids I'd never do steroids lol. When I was young when I had growing pains in my knees and other joints I would imagine I was getting crucified. Just like a big nine inch nail being hammered into my wrists and knees lol; everytime I closed my eyes it's all I could picture. I was a demented kid, evidently.

 

[BobTbay]

I mix them with 10% lidocaine minimum because it would burn otherwise.

You're mixing @ ten percent with pure lidocaine, or ten percent dilute lidocaine?

Just curious, don't intend to try it myself, but keep posting your results. An interesting test would be to inject one side of your body a few times and not the other, see how much the benefit is placebo and if your three k was well spent. I'm guessing your biggest outlay of money was a new centrifuge?

 

[Bench495]

Your blood contains growth factors that heal your injuries. These are platelets. When you get injured, blood rushes there and heals your injury site. When you draw blood and spin it in a centrifuge, you separate these platelets and inject it into the site of injury. It is more concentrated than what is in the blood and it can heal old injuries where healing has come to a halt. Blood has three components: erythrocytes (red blood cells), leukocytes (white blood cells), and plasma with growth factors. Platelet rich plasma is what PRP stands for and it is the yellow stuff you see in those syringes. The tubes are filled with blood. The machine is a centrifuge to separate the components. I studied all the research and made my own procedures. So far I did both shoulders and knees 4 times and the ankles once. Each joint costs 600 bucks at a clinic plus they use less blood. I mix them with 10% lidocaine minimum because it would burn otherwise. It takes times but worth it. Will give myself probably around 20k worth of therapy and it cost me less than 3K.

Planning on making a webpage to show tutorials for those who can’t afford clinics but I don’t know where that stands in terms of legality.

This is awesome. I’d like to see a full tutorial on this. Do you draw your own blood?

 

[Shrek]

Your blood contains growth factors that heal your injuries. These are platelets. When you get injured, blood rushes there and heals your injury site. When you draw blood and spin it in a centrifuge, you separate these platelets and inject it into the site of injury. It is more concentrated than what is in the blood and it can heal old injuries where healing has come to a halt. Blood has three components: erythrocytes (red blood cells), leukocytes (white blood cells), and plasma with growth factors. Platelet rich plasma is what PRP stands for and it is the yellow stuff you see in those syringes. The tubes are filled with blood. The machine is a centrifuge to separate the components. I studied all the research and made my own procedures. So far I did both shoulders and knees 4 times and the ankles once. Each joint costs 600 bucks at a clinic plus they use less blood. I mix them with 10% lidocaine minimum because it would burn otherwise. It takes times but worth it. Will give myself probably around 20k worth of therapy and it cost me less than 3K.

Planning on making a webpage to show tutorials for those who can’t afford clinics but I don’t know where that stands in terms of legality.

Incredible!
Seriously please do post up a how-to with equipment list, for research purposes of course, I'd be very interested in this

Although interestingly enough I think I already know what to do, I just never thought it was possible to do yourself, but why not? Lightbulb just went off and it all makes complete sense.

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Edit to add: how does this compare or relate to stem cells?

 

[animal-inside]

I’m also curious.

What worries me the most is acromegaly. When would you start seeing this and at what dose? Been keeping tabs on my fingers and jaw.

Is the gut growth a myth? Is it the result of super high doses with insulin? Or eating 10k calories a day? Or a combination of all?

I haven't read the whole thread, I stopped here and started typing.. Ill finish thread in a bit.

I am not an expert or anything close, but here's my experience and thoughts.

Acromegaly.. I would think you'll need to take HIGH doses for a very very long time to experience this.. I had my IGF1 tested a few times in my 30's and naturally I was slighty above the range I'm suppose to be at.. I think the top of the range is 250, and I consistently tested 255-265. The endo told me I'm fine.. I asked about acro and he said dont' worry about it and it takes very high level to get the symptoms over the course of your life. We talked and left feelig like you'd have to from a very early age have a incredbly high level to get the stymptoms.. HE did tell me to get tesrted once a year since he was worried the high IGF1 levels might indicate a homrone producing tumor that was cuasing me other issues.

Long term gh use? I wouldn't.. even at low doses, its a homrone and a powerful one at that. Ive read en;arged organs (causes issues), much higher risk of becoming type 2 diabetc etf..

I'm mid 40's and I've used gh in my 20's for fat loose/strength.. I thought it helped me with fat loss.. but I'm not enitrely sure it actually did or not

I used it failry long term 26-32. I did 4iu's a day for sometiems near a year.. I wish I didn't do this.. I didn't need it and I was still young enough to not have issues that gh can help with, but took it anyways. I don't think it did much.. maybe help keep fat off?

I have used it in my 40's for about 4-5 months.. I'm actuallty just ending this cycle this week. I used it again to help heal with some joint issues and at 2iu's before bed, I truly think it helped me immensely.. but again, I'm not taking it long term.. the risks are just too high even thought my natural gh levels are probably droppeing.

my recommendation is use gh in your middle age to help heal so uyou can keep training hard and just enjoy life, but don't use it long term.

for me, when I use gh this time I decided I would watch my blood suagrs a lot sicne I Was prediabetc before.. at 2'iu's and a loose keto diet, I was fine.. I forgot the mechanisms in which hgh messes with your blodo sugars, but its a risk and a serious one..

I can't comment on slin since i won't touch it.. but I was told taking lots of hgh is usless without slin.. Even when I was yougn and dumb, I knew enough that I would never touch slin..