Protein is not protein. Here's why

BobTbay

BobTbay

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Before watching this I didn't know what a DIAAS score was.

If you don't have time to watch the video, then here's the basics, of DIASS

Digestible Indispensable Amino Acid Score​


-DIAAS is the ratio of the digestible amino acid content in the food (mg/g of protein) to the same amino acid in a reference pattern taken from age-specific amino acid requirements. The lowest value across amino acids is multiplied by 100 to convert the ratio to a percentage.

-plant based proteins have a crap DIAAS score, so if you are vegetarian you need more overall protein, and if you are vegan you need a lot more.

-Vegetarians in a polish study of teenagers were an average of 3cm shorter than non-vegetarians and had lower bone density .

 
I remember watching this a while ago.. pretty great video. Can't stand the whole "if it fits your macros" shit. A protein bar won't build the same body as a steak!
 
BobTbay said:
Before watching this I didn't know what a DIAAS score was.

If you don't have time to watch the video, then here's the basics, of DIASS

Digestible Indispensable Amino Acid Score​


-DIAAS is the ratio of the digestible amino acid content in the food (mg/g of protein) to the same amino acid in a reference pattern taken from age-specific amino acid requirements. The lowest value across amino acids is multiplied by 100 to convert the ratio to a percentage.

-plant based proteins have a crap DIAAS score, so if you are vegetarian you need more overall protein, and if you are vegan you need a lot more.

-Vegetarians in a polish study of teenagers were an average of 3cm shorter than non-vegetarians and had lower bone density .

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Good share
 
Protein powder is garbage for sure . Another track they do is with the nitrogen. You can jack yo the nitrogen content to get a higher protein reader . I read se where that on average a 25grm scoop of protein you probably only actually get 8-10
Grams of usable protein
 
ajfromab said:
Protein powder is garbage for sure . Another track they do is with the nitrogen. You can jack yo the nitrogen content to get a higher protein reader . I read se where that on average a 25grm scoop of protein you probably only actually get 8-10
Grams of usable protein
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Oh Jesus. Even the higher end protein?
 
ajfromab said:
Protein powder is garbage for sure . Another track they do is with the nitrogen. You can jack yo the nitrogen content to get a higher protein reader . I read se where that on average a 25grm scoop of protein you probably only actually get 8-10
Grams of usable protein
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I'm not sure exactly what you mean, maybe you are referring to mislabeling or "protein spiking" ? Whey protein is among the best most usable sources on the planet. It's right up there with whole milk, meat and eggs. Both the science and real life anecdotal experience back this up, more than one man has gotten huge on an almost exclusive whey shake diet.

Bone us thought relevant to the thread in a more general way - The most important Amino Acid to the muscle building process by far is Leucine. It is almost literally the key to initiating the muscle protein synthesis process. If the minimum amount required to "flip the switch" is not present the other building blocks we call AA's can't do much building at all.

If you are consuming meals that are deficient in Leucine you can consume it in supplement form up to twice a day. The minimums have been shown to be 3.5g for younger guys and 5.0g for older guys. I believe older was defined as over 35 :). I don't have the relevant studies at hand but they shouldn't be too hard to find if anyone was interested in the details and mechanism of action.

I'll pop 5g of powder and chase it with a drink 15 minutes before a meal that I think will be deficient. Fucking powder is lighter than air though (lol) so make sure you don't inhale while it's in your mouth lest you end up with a bad tren shot type reaction.
 
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I came back because I had another thought. I make/made the assumption that when we say protein drinks we are talking about whey isolate. You said Protein powder though, I'm sure it's possible there are some significant variances to what I offered with other forms of milk protein and certainly with plant based powders
 
gondar1 said:
I'm not sure exactly what you mean, maybe you are referring to mislabeling or "protein spiking" ? Whey protein is among the best most usable sources on the planet. It's right up there with whole milk, meat and eggs. Both the science and real life anecdotal experience back this up, more than one man has gotten huge on an almost exclusive whey shake diet.

Bone us thought relevant to the thread in a more general way - The most important Amino Acid to the muscle building process by far is Leucine. It is almost literally the key to initiating the muscle protein synthesis process. If the minimum amount required to "flip the switch" is not present the other building blocks we call AA's can't do much building at all.

If you are consuming meals that are deficient in Leucine you can consume it in supplement form up to twice a day. The minimums have been shown to be 3.5g for younger guys and 5.0g for older guys. I believe older was defined as over 35 :). I don't have the relevant studies at hand but they shouldn't be too hard to find if anyone was interested in the details and mechanism of action.

I'll pop 5g of powder and chase it with a drink 15 minutes before a meal that I think will be deficient. Fucking powder is lighter than air though (lol) so make sure you don't inhale while it's in your mouth lest you end up with a bad tren shot type reaction.
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So would consuming bcaa be beneficial? Never knew about luicine
 
gondar1 said:
I'm not sure exactly what you mean, maybe you are referring to mislabeling or "protein spiking" ? Whey protein is among the best most usable sources on the planet. It's right up there with whole milk, meat and eggs. Both the science and real life anecdotal experience back this up, more than one man has gotten huge on an almost exclusive whey shake diet.

Bone us thought relevant to the thread in a more general way - The most important Amino Acid to the muscle building process by far is Leucine. It is almost literally the key to initiating the muscle protein synthesis process. If the minimum amount required to "flip the switch" is not present the other building blocks we call AA's can't do much building at all.

If you are consuming meals that are deficient in Leucine you can consume it in supplement form up to twice a day. The minimums have been shown to be 3.5g for younger guys and 5.0g for older guys. I believe older was defined as over 35 :). I don't have the relevant studies at hand but they shouldn't be too hard to find if anyone was interested in the details and mechanism of action.

I'll pop 5g of powder and chase it with a drink 15 minutes before a meal that I think will be deficient. Fucking powder is lighter than air though (lol) so make sure you don't inhale while it's in your mouth lest you end up with a bad tren shot type reaction.
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Maybe you’re right I haven’t really read up on it all since early 2000s maybe the science changed and I’m talking out my ass. Form what I’ve always understood though , it’s a last resort protein , it’s not a calorie dense food it’s generally something that’s been processed to its base and lacks the proper aminos to function properly . And what I was saying about nitrogen spiking is that it can be used to “lie “ about how much protein is actually in something.

Like I said maybe I’m wrong though I’m older now and have forgotten more than I probably actually know now over time
 
ajfromab said:
Maybe you’re right I haven’t really read up on it all since early 2000s maybe the science changed and I’m talking out my ass. Form what I’ve always understood though , it’s a last resort protein , it’s not a calorie dense food it’s generally something that’s been processed to its base and lacks the proper aminos to function properly . And what I was saying about nitrogen spiking is that it can be used to “lie “ about how much protein is actually in something.

Like I said maybe I’m wrong though I’m older now and have forgotten more than I probably actually know now over time
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Was always under the same impression regarding whey protein drinks. It was always implied (back in the day) that it was a way to get something into your system if you were too busy to consume “real” food.

But, good point, the science/formulations may have changed/improved to the point it is just as good as a steak lol. I’ll have the steak please.
 
ajfromab said:
Maybe you’re right I haven’t really read up on it all since early 2000s maybe the science changed and I’m talking out my ass. Form what I’ve always understood though , it’s a last resort protein , it’s not a calorie dense food it’s generally something that’s been processed to its base and lacks the proper aminos to function properly . And what I was saying about nitrogen spiking is that it can be used to “lie “ about how much protein is actually in something.

Like I said maybe I’m wrong though I’m older now and have forgotten more than I probably actually know now over time
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Hey I could be way off base myself, I honestly try to make it a point of never believing anything 100% anymore. Buuut I'm very confident on this one. There is lot's of evidence that's been arrived at conscientiously.

There certainly used to be a lot of people saying that for sure. I kinda feel like it's one of those things that somebody said and then it caught on and began getting parroted as supposed common knowledge. I could agree for sure if someone was saying it doesn't have a monstrous appeal as far as variety in micro-nutritional value. Also maybe a lot of the vibe about it comes from the protein spiking which is sleazy as fuck. This vid almost describes how you would do it once you connect a few dots and some people will do anything for a buck.

There will be a bunch of results really quick to see if somebody googled something like "whey protein" + "net protein utilization" or "DIAAS score"(the subject of the vid). It's in the highest possible category of both of those metrics.

Memory loss, don't get me started. I can remember the room number of both hotels we stayed at on our family trip to disneyland when I was six years old but I never am sure if I locked the car or not last night
 
BobTbay said:
Before watching this I didn't know what a DIAAS score was.

If you don't have time to watch the video, then here's the basics, of DIASS

Digestible Indispensable Amino Acid Score​


-DIAAS is the ratio of the digestible amino acid content in the food (mg/g of protein) to the same amino acid in a reference pattern taken from age-specific amino acid requirements. The lowest value across amino acids is multiplied by 100 to convert the ratio to a percentage.

-plant based proteins have a crap DIAAS score, so if you are vegetarian you need more overall protein, and if you are vegan you need a lot more.

-Vegetarians in a polish study of teenagers were an average of 3cm shorter than non-vegetarians and had lower bone density .

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And also if your a vegan your probably a xXxX as well lol what a stupid fuckin diet.
 
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I use whey iso and always will. Im a 1.5-2gr/lb guy and i wont be talked out of it cause 25 years of this shit taught me it just works better for me.
I think the issue with whey is not whey itself, it trusting the company thats selling it. Theres a lot of scumbags in this world so try and get decent stuff.
I like 4 meals of 50-65 grams protein from meat and the other meals are whey. This way i know im pretty much covered no matter what
 
Heraclitus said:
All the gay guys I know say they prefer the meat.
I might have misunderstood.
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Actually my sausage maker who is xxxx, says xXxX are the ones who are more flamboyant (or now called xxxx).

And yeah gay dudes like the meat, lol. He was telling me about the horrible comments he gets when guys on grinder realize he is a sausage maker. You know shit like, bet you are really good with the sausage, lol.
 
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