Insulin Question..

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Device

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Hello people.. It may sound like a stupid question but I am trying to find out the answer for this one..

what I have read on forums..watched podcasts and also some videos by some experts is as follows but getting mixed opinions on this.
( I will try to split it in points/steps)

1- Anyone who wanted to start a cycle should first reach their natural potential. Then only AAS should be introduced to the system.

2- As a first cycle should be single compound and mostly Test (long ester) and for second cycle person can add second compound or just increase the dose e.g. 500mg to 750mg. Same for the third cycle and for the forth and so on...

3- After 5/6 solid cycles one can add GH at smaller doses for longer run (if its in the budget of course)

4 after 8/10 solid cycles and if one can execute their meals perfectly in time then one can introduce insulin to the system addition to GH.

My question is

1- till one reached the 8/10 solid cycles under their belt. no insulin should be used right?
if that person is eating 5/7 meals per day then arent the beta cells going to wear out and lead someone to diabetes ?

2- If yes then shouldnt be one using insulin from the start(or lets say 3/4th cycle) to keep the beta cells fresh?

I heard on one or two podcasts that insulin should be used (in low dose obv) so those beta cells wont get weared out due to high amount of calories one eating in those 5/7 meals.

I am very new to this subject and sorry for the language in advance because English is not my native language as you can see but I tried my best to putting it in the words.
 
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I find very curious that you talk about trying every drug possible like this.

You should not be trying to increase your risk and drug use as you get more experienced. Your podcast and video experts are wrong about this. Health is king.

Insulin should not be used at all unless you are under medical supervision and you are an elite bodybuilder that for some reason took that decision. It is extremely dangerous.

If you are a healthy person with no underlying condition there is no beta cell destruction for stress. However, you bring an interesting point to the table. If you have developed insulin resistance for some reason you should be taking care of yourself with doctors.

If you are overweight (like most pro bodybuilders) and not necessarily fat you are stressing your insulin secretion and there is a risk there to have B cells destruction.

Exogenous insulin also stimulates your endogenous response to glucose which translates into stress in your B cells.

Another important variable is the time that you keep doing this.

Many bodybuilders try insulin just to find out that it is garbage to their health and they are risking many aspects of their health.

If you are very new to this subject forget insulin for a long time.

Podcast gurus and huge Instagram clowns just want tell you the best part of the story or want to make it seem like they are not abusing drugs. Most of us do and we lie to ourselves, this is drug abusing most of the times.

Sorry to be raw and negative but you need this message.
 
eating 5/7 meals per day does not = diabetes over time.

I have eaten 6 meals a day for 40 years and my blood sugar level are pristine. Dr says its because i eat many "small" meals per day (which total a min of 3400 cals)

If your body uses it up and you are not getting fat plus you are physically active diabetes should not be a concern

PLUS insulin is VERY dangerous. There is a large body of evidence that Stan Efferding is correct...10 minute walks after 3 of your meals per day is twice as effective as metformin.

AND just because you do 500mg test first cycle does not mean you have to do 750 the next. that is a 50% increase in dosage. Many decades ago i did 300 for the first 3-4 cycles and grew off everyone. This logic of more and more is what leads people to doing stupid dosages. Having adequate levels of free test, consistent diet, training and sleep will lead to consistent improvements.

Please don't believe the logic above....it is massively flawed
 
I have considered using insulin because I can get it for free but I'm not comfortable with it. I'm also very accustomed to managing diabetes because I raised a child with t1d I just don't think it's needed unless you're massive af, like world class huge.
 
Rolls roydz said:
I find very curious that you talk about trying every drug possible like this.

You should not be trying to increase your risk and drug use as you get more experienced. Your podcast and video experts are wrong about this. Health is king.

Insulin should not be used at all unless you are under medical supervision and you are an elite bodybuilder that for some reason took that decision. It is extremely dangerous.

If you are a healthy person with no underlying condition there is no beta cell destruction for stress. However, you bring an interesting point to the table. If you have developed insulin resistance for some reason you should be taking care of yourself with doctors.

If you are overweight (like most pro bodybuilders) and not necessarily fat you are stressing your insulin secretion and there is a risk there to have B cells destruction.

Exogenous insulin also stimulates your endogenous response to glucose which translates into stress in your B cells.

Another important variable is the time that you keep doing this.

Many bodybuilders try insulin just to find out that it is garbage to their health and they are risking many aspects of their health.

If you are very new to this subject forget insulin for a long time.

Podcast gurus and huge Instagram clowns just want tell you the best part of the story or want to make it seem like they are not abusing drugs. Most of us do and we lie to ourselves, this is drug abusing most of the times.

Sorry to be raw and negative but you need this message.
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Thanx for the response brother.. I completely agree with that all these podcast or channel owners will not tell us all the truth at all.. Thats why i just want to bring this point to the people who don't have marketing agenda like these youtubers or podcast channels.. Thanx for the straight to the point info man.. really appreciate.. !!
 
Device said:
Hello people.. It may sound like a stupid question but I am trying to find out the answer for this one..

what I have read on forums..watched podcasts and also some videos by some experts is as follows but getting mixed opinions on this.
( I will try to split it in points/steps)

1- Anyone who wanted to start a cycle should first reach their natural potential. Then only AAS should be introduced to the system.

2- As a first cycle should be single compound and mostly Test (long ester) and for second cycle person can add second compound or just increase the dose e.g. 500mg to 750mg. Same for the third cycle and for the forth and so on...

3- After 5/6 solid cycles one can add GH at smaller doses for longer run (if its in the budget of course)

4 after 8/10 solid cycles and if one can execute their meals perfectly in time then one can introduce insulin to the system addition to GH.

My question is

1- till one reached the 8/10 solid cycles under their belt. no insulin should be used right?
if that person is eating 5/7 meals per day then arent the beta cells going to wear out and lead someone to diabetes ?

2- If yes then shouldnt be one using insulin from the start(or lets say 3/4th cycle) to keep the beta cells fresh?

I heard on one or two podcasts that insulin should be used (in low dose obv) so those beta cells wont get weared out due to high amount of calories one eating in those 5/7 meals.

I am very new to this subject and sorry for the language in advance because English is not my native language as you can see but I tried my best to putting it in the words.
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Not much more to add than what has been stated but the average person has no business talking/advising about insulin.

Anyway - the short answer is never unless you are going to make a living being a bodybuilder and have the money to hire people to make sure you don't hurt yourself.
 
Kind of off topic but there's new research showing big benifets of onion gloves lowering blood sugar by like 50%. Don't quote me on this I don't have the paper in front of me but something like this is being talked about lately
 
This is a simple question to answer. Are you a pro, on the verge of turning pro, or have serious potential of becoming a pro? If you cannot answer yes to any of the above, then there's not really much point in running insulin. Risk vs Reward should always be taken into consideration.
 
IronRobi said:
This is a simple question to answer. Are you a pro, on the verge of turning pro, or have serious potential of becoming a pro? If you cannot answer yes to any of the above, then there's not really much point in running insulin. Risk vs Reward should always be taken into consideration.
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I appreciate your answer brother.. you concern about health is also appreciated.. but you misunderstood my question... my question is not about should i use insulin ? Neither if i am a pro.. if i am on the verge of becoming a pro.. or if i have serious potential of becoming a pro or not.. my question is if use of insulin(dose dependant) is beneficial for the support of beta cells or not if one is in his growth phase and eating loads of calories..
 
IronRobi said:
This is a simple question to answer. Are you a pro, on the verge of turning pro, or have serious potential of becoming a pro? If you cannot answer yes to any of the above, then there's not really much point in running insulin. Risk vs Reward should always be taken into consideration.
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even at the verge of turning pro, you won’t necessarily even be a good pro if you’ve done everything to the point of needing insulin as a last resort and you’re still not there
 
I tried it for a week. The whole time I was conserned about going hypo.
There was no joy in that.
You want to get big safer, take dbol and deca.

I know the video you watched by Dave or something similar. Only time I think you’ll need to rest beta cells isif you overworked them with too much gh.
 
Device said:
I appreciate your answer brother.. you concern about health is also appreciated.. but you misunderstood my question... my question is not about should i use insulin ? Neither if i am a pro.. if i am on the verge of becoming a pro.. or if i have serious potential of becoming a pro or not.. my question is if use of insulin(dose dependant) is beneficial for the support of beta cells or not if one is in his growth phase and eating loads of calories..
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All risks aside, the answer to your question is yes, it is beneficial.
 
Bignate said:
All risks aside, the answer to your question is yes, it is beneficial.
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What metformin any use for that at all? I have no idea how or why in body building but I think I heard somewhere that Jay cuttler used it. I only ask because my doc said he would perscrib me if I want but I said no because I'd also read somewhere that it can negativity effect muscle growth. And I want to clean up my blood sugar with diet and exercise not just more and more drugs lol
 
Jerbear said:
What metformin any use for that at all? I have no idea how or why in body building but I think I heard somewhere that Jay cuttler used it. I only ask because my doc said he would perscrib me if I want but I said no because I'd also read somewhere that it can negativity effect muscle growth. And I want to clean up my blood sugar with diet and exercise not just more and more drugs lol
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Again, comes down to risk vs reward. Is metformin beneficial? Yes. Essentially makes your muscle more responsive to glucose. Think of it as a super glucose disposal agent, in a sense. Of course, everything has side effects. Some have far less, obviously. If your glucose is well controlled, and your fasted sugars aren't ridiculous... And your carb intake is less than 700g day, it's not really something MOST people need. Could it be useful? Sure. Cheat meals, higher carb days, etc.
 
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