Nutrition with medication questions
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I've never heard of them. My bane is ice cream.
It sounds like you eat healthy it’s just eating right before bed might be the problem, especially a protein like chicken is to tick on your stomach right before bed. Try to snack on something more lighter like nuts, seeds & dried fruit healthy snacks like that. I was wondering can you take a meal break at work? I would definitely stay away from pasta and cook.
yeah but that medicine is for high blood pressure : hydrochlorothiazide if I remember the name correctly (i,m at work). It's a water pill basically so it made me pee at first and now its better. but dont think there is any impact on anything else
Not enough break to eat a meal maybe just a little snack here or there...
biguglynewf
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Not sure if someone said it or not. Lots of good advice already
you have to stop eating before you go to bed.
it is a habit and can be broken. Even though it will be very difficult.
Eat at your last break and force it until you break that habit. Eating before bed can cause all kinds of shit for people trying to lose.
yes it can have a purpose. But in your case I would guess that this is not helping your case.
what is your blood sugar like?
you have to stop eating before you go to bed.
it is a habit and can be broken. Even though it will be very difficult.
Eat at your last break and force it until you break that habit. Eating before bed can cause all kinds of shit for people trying to lose.
yes it can have a purpose. But in your case I would guess that this is not helping your case.
what is your blood sugar like?
LOL, What sort of slave drivers do you work for where you can't get a break to eat a meal?
That won't cause metabolic syndrome. Neuroleptics are the bad meds for metabolic syndrome especially the so-called atypicals.
Lots of good advice from the gang here. I want to touch on a couple things that I dont think have been touched on yet.
First of all, there is a possibility that you aren't eating enough. When we restrict calories too much for too long our metabolism dow regulates and eventually you just can't lose weight. For example, I was asked to do a cutting diet for someone and I needed some info on what he was eating to build from. He was overweight, and informed me that all he was eating roughly per day was 10 chicken wings and a piece of toast. Where was I supposed to go from there? Do you see my point. You can't just keep eating less
My advice? Calculate you TDEE and start at a 10% deficit and drop from there. You need to ramp your metabolism back up.
Secondly, from what you've stated you eat in a day you are basically getting ZERO micronutrients. Aside from the pop being super unhealthy your daily food consumption isn't far behind. You need to research and consume a balanced diet containing foods that are high in micronutrients. A lot of people when dieting for any reason only focus on the macronutrients but forget that it's actually the micronutrients we need for bodily function.
Third, I see zero fiber in your diet. Ill go out on a limb here but, Id say you have a lot of waste backed up inside of you, which will also cause weight gain and may actually be some of the weight gain itself. Go get yourself a psyllium fiber supplement and start taking that NOW. In the morning and at night before bed.
Change the pop for diet pop, and try to ween yourself off the Zop man!
First of all, there is a possibility that you aren't eating enough. When we restrict calories too much for too long our metabolism dow regulates and eventually you just can't lose weight. For example, I was asked to do a cutting diet for someone and I needed some info on what he was eating to build from. He was overweight, and informed me that all he was eating roughly per day was 10 chicken wings and a piece of toast. Where was I supposed to go from there? Do you see my point. You can't just keep eating less
My advice? Calculate you TDEE and start at a 10% deficit and drop from there. You need to ramp your metabolism back up.
Secondly, from what you've stated you eat in a day you are basically getting ZERO micronutrients. Aside from the pop being super unhealthy your daily food consumption isn't far behind. You need to research and consume a balanced diet containing foods that are high in micronutrients. A lot of people when dieting for any reason only focus on the macronutrients but forget that it's actually the micronutrients we need for bodily function.
Third, I see zero fiber in your diet. Ill go out on a limb here but, Id say you have a lot of waste backed up inside of you, which will also cause weight gain and may actually be some of the weight gain itself. Go get yourself a psyllium fiber supplement and start taking that NOW. In the morning and at night before bed.
Change the pop for diet pop, and try to ween yourself off the Zop man!
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You mean my Kawartha Lakes strawberry ice cream is a no-no?
biguglynewf
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No no Kawartha lakes has no cals... just like beer on st. Patrick’s day!
I feel like the “law of thermodynamics” is misunderstood
It’s true if you eat in a negative energy balance you lose weight
The question is
1) if the drug affects energy expenditure
2) if the drug affects energy intake
I for one believe drugs can impact this greatly, there’s tons of animal study’s were animals were given drugs and their body composition or weight changed. So it either changed energy expenditure or energy intake, which was clearly a direct effect of the drug.
If the drug affects energy balance, is it not the drugs fault for the weight gain/loss?
So to dismiss a drug being able to cause weight gain in my opinion makes no sense. Not to mention what you brought up with body composition changes, which would affect energy expenditure since lean body mass increases energy expenditure.
Point(s) taken Rocky. If you happen to have a link to a study like that I'd be interested in examining it so post if you can.
"If the drug affects energy balance, is it not the drugs fault for the weight gain/loss? "
My answer to that is still No at this point. Reason being is that you are correct in having a concern about the law of thermal dynamics being misunderstood. Calories in vs Calories out is a simplified, conversational statement of what's going on. The actual complexity of it is orders of magnitude higher. If we seek a slightly more technical definition it might be "Energy metabolized vs energy spent".
There are compounds around that purport to block absorption of fats and carbs and there are also things that ramp up thyroid. If you take either one the laws don't change you have just changed the playing field. It still comes down to "Energy metabolized vs Energy expended".
I think at the most simplistic level and common use of these terms for conversation you are more right than I am here if we are just sitting at the bar chatting. If we get more technical and start using more concise terms to describe the situation I'll stick with what I've said.
I must say that I have some bias affecting my stance when I say that a pet peeve of mine is woman saying "X makes me gain weight". That bias coming from such statements usually being said by sorry ass excuse making overweight garbage eating broads.
At the end of the day each person needs to be responsible for what they put in their mouth regardless of absorption rates or metabolic rates whether affected by drugs or not. I'd be cool with someone saying "Fuck since I started this med I have to cut calories or I get fat"
Cheers bud
Well here’s one but simply googling drug induced weight gain/obesity/diabetes will bring up plenty of articles of studies researching this
I used to agree with this way of thinking, calories in, calories out, end all and be all. It actually works but it works in a closed system. If someone is healthy, takes no medications/drugs, I think calories in, calories out mentality works very well.
But the human body is a living organism, it’s true weight gain is from consuming excess energy, the thing is the body has processes that controls this, but under normal conditions. what happens when this process is disrupted, like from drugs/medications? does the body work the same? Probably not
I’m sure one could lose weight on certain medications but they’d have to force themselves more so mentally and physically to lose weight, rather than if they didn’t take the medication in the first place.
I think my point is just that the OP could very well could have had a weight gain issue due to his meds.
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Rocky, you didn't have to go the rat route. There are lots of articles out there on anti-psychotics and metabolic syndrome. One thing that a good doc who prescribes anti-psychotics should always do is keep an eye out for metabolic syndrome. Do a quick search on Olanzapine if you are interested. It's brutal.
I just found a random one but yes, there’s a bunch of articles showing medications causing weight gain, which is unfortunate as people are prescribed them and find out too late.
I think it really is the medications that affect the brain which are the worst for causing weight gain
When the atypical antipsychotics first came out we thought they were a Godsend with their mechanisms of action and symptom control. What we didn't realize was the weight gain that came with them. We blame the chef we had at our major Residential Program for her use of gravy and creamy foods. We didn't have a clue.
I get your point for sure, for me we are at the point that it's just semantics now.
I think it's fair to say that a drug can change the rates of absorption and expenditure but regardless of the environment fully consuming more energy than you expend will result in weight gain.
Fair?
My view happens to be that it's up to the individual to adjust consumption and expenditure to the environment.
I get what you mean but some of these medications make it really hard to adjust, easier said than done I guess. And I actually think hormone issues cause the same problem, which is why they result in weight gain (causing you to want to eat more, rather than a direct effect on metabolism)