Prescribed BPC 157?

Goldenrod

Goldenrod

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Morning,

Just curious how many people know of or have been prescribed BPC 157? It is the oral version being prescribed by the few I have heard from. I haven't heard of anyone being prescribed any injectable forms.

It is illegal for any doctor to give a prescription for a non Canadian approved medication (it is not approved for human use in any other country either). I have no idea how they are getting around this or why they would put their license at risk. It is also illegal for any compounding pharmacy to make the pills for human consumption. Again, I wonder why they would put their pharmacy at risk. To date, it appears to be independent, small compounding pharmacies, but those pharmacies still have to follow Canadian laws. I bring this up as people here obtained prescriptions with batch numbers / no DIN #'s. Every person I know I asked for a DIN number and it is not in the database for Canada as a prescription drug.
It can't even be sold as a supplement which has zero oversight unless a barrage of people get sick and there is intervention.

It isn't even being studied at this time by any companies to any degree, that I am aware of for human clinical trials.
The most I can find is, "A patent filed in 1998 describes pharmaceutical compositions containing BPC (Body Protection Compounds) fragments and their salts, useful for treating various human and animal diseases." It was not a company that applied for the patent, from what I can find - several individual inventors, primarily from Zagreb, Croatia (individuals researchers from a university, https://patents.google.com/patent/EP0983300B1/en). All I can find is that it has been studied in Croatia but never became a prescription drug or supplement for human consumption. Docs I know say it is benign, safe, and works for specific issues and should go through the trials needed to be prescribed for specific issues and then they can prescribe for off label use.
The concern, according to everything I can read is the quality of the product, or is it even BPC157 if it is not made by a pharmacy. The sources I used, I am sure it was and it healed a few tendon injuries.

A few have told me they have been prescribed the peptide, anyone else want to chime in? I am curious as I asked three pharmacists I know and they don't even know what it is. The doctors who do know what it is all lift weights fairly seriously. Either compete in power lifting or did.

Just a discussion, often things that work well and are known to be benign with either no known or no short term side effects never go anywhere unless a pharmaceutical company can patent it and is sure they can make enough money off it.

I am all for this being brought to market so if it appears I am not, that is not what I am saying. I just wonder how so many docs/pharmacists are prescribing/making the product without repercussions. Especially considering the news of late, shutting down multiple online 'research product' companies that sell BPC 157, TB 500, and a plethora of other peptides/products. One of the best (IMO) is now gone, which is unfortunate as I had complete trust in their products.
 
I'd have to write pages for all the details and really research to be sure of any of them and I won't (I promise lol) but I have a had a couple of conversations with a friend in the business about this. I think probably triggered by an earlier similar thread here.

The conclusion we came to is that these folks who are prescribing, producing and filling these orders are for various reasons just playing the odds of getting away with it. One of the reasons is undoubtably money but the others might include political motivations and plain old righteousness. They probably are banking on the regs and possible penalties are so sufficiently messy that the potential consequences are not that scary. Certainly not a game I'm interested in playing, as noted a crackdown is already underway.
A key cog in that strategy may be the abundance of definitions and regulatory classifications that they feel leave room for interpretation and arguement.
Right from the start the definition of the word prescription could be fought about. I'm sure there is more than one in the official documents and arguements could be made to set precedents about if they are proper for the situation they are being applied to.
Somewhere at the top of the Canadian Health System's Umbrella the word prescription means something like 'a formal directive or instructions' and probably with an adder like ' from a (licensed?) healthcare professional"

For example a Dr or other pro can prescribe a 10 minute daily walk, a glucose monitor or a keto diet.

TLDR - IDK anyone who's been scripted other than what I've heard on the net and these folks doing it are "cowboys"
 
gondar1 said:
I'd have to write pages for all the details and really research to be sure of any of them and I won't (I promise lol) but I have a had a couple of conversations with a friend in the business about this. I think probably triggered by an earlier similar thread here.

The conclusion we came to is that these folks who are prescribing, producing and filling these orders are for various reasons just playing the odds of getting away with it. One of the reasons is undoubtably money but the others might include political motivations and plain old righteousness. They probably are banking on the regs and possible penalties are so sufficiently messy that the potential consequences are not that scary. Certainly not a game I'm interested in playing, as noted a crackdown is already underway.
A key cog in that strategy may be the abundance of definitions and regulatory classifications that they feel leave room for interpretation and arguement.
Right from the start the definition of the word prescription could be fought about. I'm sure there is more than one in the official documents and arguements could be made to set precedents about if they are proper for the situation they are being applied to.
Somewhere at the top of the Canadian Health System's Umbrella the word prescription means something like 'a formal directive or instructions' and probably with an adder like ' from a (licensed?) healthcare professional"

For example a Dr or other pro can prescribe a 10 minute daily walk, a glucose monitor or a keto diet.

TLDR - IDK anyone who's been scripted other than what I've heard on the net and these folks doing it are "cowboys"
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I know two situations of people I trust and saw with my own eyes. A licensed doctor prescribed it, and a small compounding pharmacy (legit licensed pharmacy) filled the script. I agree with many of your comments, but what doctor would jeopardize their medical malpractice insurance going from 150,000 to 250,000 because they are in court for years with their insurance company fighting this? I suspect, the insurer would just come to an agreement. The fact is if it is BPC 157, I can't see anyone getting sick but what if you pull a tendon - get a script and by coincidence get a serious disease next month. Fraught with issues of litigation, years in court, massive legal bills, and multiple 'experts', etc. Being in risk management, I was involved in a 8 year case where errors and omissions was called upon albeit no error or omission was made (recorded phone calls, letters sent, documented files, and the individual who sued made up lie after lie. All the same 6 different legal firms were involved and no settlement was ever paid, but the insurer paid 100,000's of thousands in billable hours. Different situation, but same premise. The poor company owner was forced to give all documents on their normal procedures, all call recordings, letters, notes by the employee, etc.
This happened when Kava Kava was very popular for anxiety (in many countries) and was working as good as many scripts for mild anxiety. It was doled out by Naturopaths all the time until it discovered to be liver toxic due to the wrong part of the plant being harvested. Once determined what the issue was, it was then allowed back into many countries including Canada.
In many ways I think the medical system needs a kick in the ass, and investigate more alternative medicine including BPC 157 if it will help people. I am a good example - 6 years of Achilles tendon pain that was agonizing. 1 month in each leg behind the tendon with BPC 157 and I have never had an issue again. Truly remarkable healing, but it is not a panacea for all injuries. For this one, it was.
In the words of a well known orthopaedic surgeon in this province who is a champion power lifter - it is the most benign peptide pending it is legit. He said it directly to me as I asked if it would help with my knee issue. He commented it was a protective part of gastric juice synthesized by companies. Is he right - one man's opinion.
Appreciate your incite @gondar1
 
Goldenrod said:
I know two situations of people I trust and saw with my own eyes. A licensed doctor prescribed it, and a small compounding pharmacy (legit licensed pharmacy) filled the script. I agree with many of your comments, but what doctor would jeopardize their medical malpractice insurance going from 150,000 to 250,000 because they are in court for years with their insurance company fighting this? I suspect, the insurer would just come to an agreement. The fact is if it is BPC 157, I can't see anyone getting sick but what if you pull a tendon - get a script and by coincidence get a serious disease next month. Fraught with issues of litigation, years in court, massive legal bills, and multiple 'experts', etc. Being in risk management, I was involved in a 8 year case where errors and omissions was called upon albeit no error or omission was made (recorded phone calls, letters sent, documented files, and the individual who sued made up lie after lie. All the same 6 different legal firms were involved and no settlement was ever paid, but the insurer paid 100,000's of thousands in billable hours. Different situation, but same premise. The poor company owner was forced to give all documents on their normal procedures, all call recordings, letters, notes by the employee, etc.
This happened when Kava Kava was very popular for anxiety (in many countries) and was working as good as many scripts for mild anxiety. It was doled out by Naturopaths all the time until it discovered to be liver toxic due to the wrong part of the plant being harvested. Once determined what the issue was, it was then allowed back into many countries including Canada.
In many ways I think the medical system needs a kick in the ass, and investigate more alternative medicine including BPC 157 if it will help people. I am a good example - 6 years of Achilles tendon pain that was agonizing. 1 month in each leg behind the tendon with BPC 157 and I have never had an issue again. Truly remarkable healing, but it is not a panacea for all injuries. For this one, it was.
In the words of a well known orthopaedic surgeon in this province who is a champion power lifter - it is the most benign peptide pending it is legit. He said it directly to me as I asked if it would help with my knee issue. He commented it was a protective part of gastric juice synthesized by companies. Is he right - one man's opinion.
Appreciate your incite @gondar1
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Yeah I appreciated that you started the thread cause I figured that many of the various angles were right up your alley. IDK anyone's personal motivation for doing it, as I said I don't think it's my game.
I've mentioned this friend before, we aren't super close or anything and we came to an understanding that I'd never give anything away that would indicate who he is but I can say that he has a higher up position in the pharm industry. He's shared some things with me regarding penalties and costs that occur due to breaking rules and it amazes me that any of the participants would f around at all. Why do they? I touched on some of the possible motivations but the overriding factor seems to be that the chances of getting busted are just so small because the size of the regulators is miniscule compared to the players.

Timing of the thread is interesting to me as well, I've not trained in a while and I'm in serious conversation with myself about finally giving this stuff a run right now to maybe heal some long term stuff up while I'm inactive. IDK if that makes sense or is exactly 180 deg from the best approach. And tho I've been paying attention I'd need to do a deep dive to really dial in a plan, I can't afford to waste the money or the time without max efficiency.

EDIT - I have used it before but didn't feel like it did much if anything, maybe not appropriate for the main thing I was trynna fix or didn't dose enough or long enough, decades of LH Biceps tendinosis
 
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