Caber/prami for a deca cycle

Cumminstech2

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I am planning on starting a test/deca cycle in the very near future, and have been reading about the possible prolactin sides that come with it, but can’t find much on protocol for caber and prami. I have heard that if you keep your test dose higher than your deca and keep control of your estrogen, that you will not get prolactin sides. Do you keep caber/prami on hand and only use when you feel prolactin rising, or do you take it throughout your cycle like you would your ai? How do you physically notice the difference between prolactin and estrogen sides? Hope the question makes sense, thanks.
 
Heres my take on it and what I do.

-Test is irrelevant IMO. The test dose only affects how i dose my ai. That being said I prefer to run my deca higher than test .3:2 deca to test
-I don't like prami. Ive heard you can take at night so you wont get sick. But I stick to caber. All good sides from caber
-This is all considering I pin twice a week. If you pin once a week, things change.
-300 deca a week I run high dose B6 (300-500mg) you can experiment with the B6 dose
- 450 deca a week I take 0.25mg caber twice a week (yes i split my 1mg caber in 4)
-600 deca a week, I use 0.33mg caber twice a week. Anything higher I would run 0.5mg caber twice a week
- ideal deca dose for me is in the 450-500 range
-I dont start caber untill week 5-6 just a preference.
- I cant say I have ever really "felt" prolactin sides.. Im scared I will start producing milk and it will be too late...lol
- all of this is obviously just my opinion, Im no doctor, this might even be overkill to some people. Ive ran alot of deca and this is what works for me.
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My plan is..

I'm running test higher than NPP, only slightly.

Prepared to use caber as blood-work shows that my prolactin gets elevated on test alone. On test alone, controlling E subsequently controls prolactin.

I'm going to get blood-work after 3 weeks and will then evaluate whether or not to use caber. If I start getting obvious high prolactin sides (such as leaky nips) I will dose caber. I'll start at .25 twice per week and get bloodwork after a couple weeks.

Hundreds of guys on reddit swear by P-5-P for managing prolactin on NPP & Tren for doses up to 500mg/week. I have seen plenty blood-work and it works. Suggested dose is 100mg twice per day. I experienced crazy anxiety from it so dropped it the last time I used it but I would sooner try that than reach for a DA.

Worth reading about DAWS before just blindly reaching for a DA.


PS. Probably worth forking out for HG (Pfizer) caber. Its expensive.
 
Cheapshot said:
Heres my take on it and what I do.

-Test is irrelevant IMO. The test dose only affects how i dose my ai. That being said I prefer to run my deca higher than test .3:2 deca to test
-I don't like prami. Ive heard you can take at night so you wont get sick. But I stick to caber. All good sides from caber
-This is all considering I pin twice a week. If you pin once a week, things change.
-300 deca a week I run high dose B6 (300-500mg) you can experiment with the B6 dose
- 450 deca a week I take 0.25mg caber twice a week (yes i split my 1mg caber in 4)
-600 deca a week, I use 0.33mg caber twice a week. Anything higher I would run 0.5mg caber twice a week
- ideal deca dose for me is in the 450-500 range
-I dont start caber untill week 5-6 just a preference.
- I cant say I have ever really "felt" prolactin sides.. Im scared I will start producing milk and it will be too late...lol
- all of this is obviously just my opinion, Im no doctor, this might even be overkill to some people. Ive ran alot of deca and this is what works for me.
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So at 300mg of deca a week, you wouldn’t run caber during your cycle? What changes when you do it once a week instead of twice per week?
 
Cumminstech2 said:
So at 300mg of deca a week, you wouldn’t run caber during your cycle? What changes when you do it once a week instead of twice per week?
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If you only pin once a week im sure the prolactin may creep up a bit more. But at 300 you would likely still be fine. Just run some vitamin b6 p5p
 
If your estrogen is under control you will not have prolactin sides. That said, the test/deca combo makes estrogen very difficult to control, and if it creeps a little up there prolactin sides are going to be pop up too.

I find it much easier to control the test, rather than the deca. Deca is proven in studies, and almost every practical application as well to actually LOWER prolactin, it's not until test and deca are present together at appreciable doses that those sides manifest.
 
I’m a week into test(600mg/wk) NPP(300mg/wk) pulling bloods at week 5. Should I wait til I see results to start using adex or start right away cos of the NPP?
 
I ran deca for a quite a while before having issues. From my personal experience caber is superior in assisting with your issues. Not to say that prami doesn't work. But they really are like driving a Hyundai vs. a Porsche.
 
fatboy88 said:
If your estrogen is under control you will not have prolactin sides. That said, the test/deca combo makes estrogen very difficult to control, and if it creeps a little up there prolactin sides are going to be pop up too.

I find it much easier to control the test, rather than the deca. Deca is proven in studies, and almost every practical application as well to actually LOWER prolactin, it's not until test and deca are present together at appreciable doses that those sides manifest.
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"If your estrogen is under control you will not have prolactin sides" - That is not true for everyone, possibly true for the majority but not as a definitive statement.

"Deca is proven in studies, and almost every practical application as well to actually LOWER prolactin" - Source please?
 
gondar1 said:
"If your estrogen is under control you will not have prolactin sides" - That is not true for everyone, possibly true for the majority but not as a definitive statement.

"Deca is proven in studies, and almost every practical application as well to actually LOWER prolactin" - Source please?
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The vast majority ! I can absolutely find the studies. Here is a good article on the subject too. Interestingly enough, when the author interviewed Robbie Robinson, he asked him a question about testosterone usage, and Robbie replied "I actually have no idea about testosterone. I never used it in my entire career, nor did anyone that I knew in the industry throughout those years."

https://www.taeian.com/deca-base-cycle-no-testosterone-no-sides/

"Test is best" wasnt even a thing until the early 2000s on BB forums.
 
fatboy88 said:
The vast majority ! I can absolutely find the studies. Here is a good article on the subject too. Interestingly enough, when the author interviewed Robbie Robinson, he asked him a question about testosterone usage, and Robbie replied "I actually have no idea about testosterone. I never used it in my entire career, nor did anyone that I knew in the industry throughout those years."

https://www.taeian.com/deca-base-cycle-no-testosterone-no-sides/

"Test is best" wasnt even a thing until the early 2000s on BB forums.
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Looking forward to seeing what you come back with.

Robbie must have a selective memory or is getting goofy in his old age, nobody he knew during his career used test ? Maybe he didn't know anyone at all then? Laughable comment at worst, not exactly what he meant at best.

BTW I'm not meaning to come of as harsh, I'm just interested in the subject. I know a guy who has claims to only having ever done Deca and claims no issues of any sort, although he is diabetic now. My own experience with Deca only and low E level is a large gyno flair up within days that persisted for nearly a year. Pretty much same deal with Tren but even worse gyno. Elevated prolactin levels with both, out of range although not sky high.

Cheers
 
Bagua said:
You guys may like this. https://sci-hub.tw/https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/106002808001400705
I know nothing.
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First off - LOL at Sgt Schulz

Thanks for the study, pretty sure I've never seen that one. The data is fairly straight forward regarding prolactin lowering from the treatment. I do wish there weren't so many confounding factors, renal failure, elevated prolactin from the get go, that strange liver dysfunction etc. I really wish there were more studies available to us that were done on healthy athletes. I'm sure there is tons of data out there from experiments done off the record by certain countries and entities.

Hopefully Fatboy can shed a little more light on this
 
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