Would low dose cholesterol medication be good for longevity or cycles?

Bigbear

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Ive just burnt through 3 or more bottles of fish oil, ubiquinol etc and buying more. I wonder if having some crestor or something on hand for cycles or low dose long term just so I don't have to spend so much on supps and max out my cardio every week. Anyone else do this or something similar?
 
My cholesterol is usually high end of healthy and borderline, so my trt doc says it's no point in getting meds but he advises me to keep pounding back the supplements and I'm sure if he knew the gear I was using and my levels on cycle he might suggest otherwise but then post cycle they might clean up a bit. I also find as I get older its just harder and harder to keep my levels low. Meds would be free with benefits and guarantee results
 
My cholesterol is usually high end of healthy and borderline, so my trt doc says it's no point in getting meds but he advises me to keep pounding back the supplements and I'm sure if he knew the gear I was using and my levels on cycle he might suggest otherwise but then post cycle they might clean up a bit. I also find as I get older its just harder and harder to keep my levels low. Meds would be free with benefits and guarantee results
I watched on vigourous steve that ezetimibe is good for cholesterol and also helps with heart remodelling if you take it for over a year, but don't quote me on that, it could be longer.
So if you have abused deca or did anything to your heart it could assist you.
Someone with more knowledge could give you a more detailed awnser.
 
I watched on vigourous steve that ezetimibe is good for cholesterol and also helps with heart remodelling if you take it for over a year, but don't quote me on that, it could be longer.
So if you have abused deca or did anything to your heart it could assist you.
Someone with more knowledge could give you a more detailed awnser.
Crestor apparently is the only one that not only reduces rate of plaque buildup but also reverses it.
 
was prescribed 10mgs/day by my doctor, but been taking it every other day instead with major success with this protocol. Last bloods showed:
HDL Cholesterol1.29mmol/L0.59-2.38
LDL Cholesterol1.95mmol/L<3.36
Triglycerides1.12mmol/L<1.70
Didn't wanna take any statins at all, but since i got no side effects from It yet, I'm sticking to It with this dosage.
 
On the flip side crestor put me in the hospital with severe rhabdomyolysis. Quite literally could have killed me if the little woman hadn't demanded I go to the ER. They warn you about specific muscle pain but I just hurt all over like after a car crash. Thought I just had a wicked flu. GP was kinda pissed when he saw the labs, said they should have kept me longer, right on the edge of dialysis.

This is not a sky is falling post, just a heads up to stay aware especially if you are self medicating - find a way to get the appropriate labs before you do some damage you aren't immediately aware is happening.
 
On the flip side crestor put me in the hospital with severe rhabdomyolysis. Quite literally could have killed me if the little woman hadn't demanded I go to the ER. They warn you about specific muscle pain but I just hurt all over like after a car crash. Thought I just had a wicked flu. GP was kinda pissed when he saw the labs, said they should have kept me longer, right on the edge of dialysis.

This is not a sky is falling post, just a heads up to stay aware especially if you are self medicating - find a way to get the appropriate labs before you do some damage you aren't immediately aware is happening.
What dose were you taking?
 
My cholesterol is usually high end of healthy and borderline, so my trt doc says it's no point in getting meds but he advises me to keep pounding back the supplements and I'm sure if he knew the gear I was using and my levels on cycle he might suggest otherwise but then post cycle they might clean up a bit. I also find as I get older its just harder and harder to keep my levels low. Meds would be free with benefits and guarantee results
By guarantee results, you're guaranteed to lower LDL, but not guaranteed to lower your risk. At least not by very much.

Couple bullet points,

76% of all heart attacks occur in people with low to normal LDL.

Best case scenario for a healthy guy whose never had a heart attack,
statins reduce your risk of dying by
< 0.5% over 5 years.

So they're not a magic bullet.
Statins show benefits on a population level,
But diet and lifestyle are far better protection for an individual.
 
By guarantee results, you're guaranteed to lower LDL, but not guaranteed to lower your risk. At least not by very much.

Couple bullet points,

76% of all heart attacks occur in people with low to normal LDL.

Best case scenario for a healthy guy whose never had a heart attack,
statins reduce your risk of dying by
< 0.5% over 5 years.

So they're not a magic bullet.
Statins show benefits on a population level,
But diet and lifestyle are far better protection for an individual.
The one caveat to this is if you have a good doctor and they test your ApoB levels. This test measures the amount of ApoB protein in your blood, which is found in low-density lipoprotein (LDL) particles. It's a more accurate predictor of heart disease risk than measuring LDL cholesterol alone. Elevated ApoB levels suggest a higher number of LDL particles, increasing the risk of developing heart disease.

I only agreed to go on a statin after I had a CT calcium score done, which showed some buildup in the main artery and my ApoB levels tested showed higher levels. The only current treatment for higher levels of ApoB is to crush your LDL. There are some meds in trial, but nothing approved yet.
 
The one caveat to this is if you have a good doctor and they test your ApoB levels. This test measures the amount of ApoB protein in your blood, which is found in low-density lipoprotein (LDL) particles. It's a more accurate predictor of heart disease risk than measuring LDL cholesterol alone. Elevated ApoB levels suggest a higher number of LDL particles, increasing the risk of developing heart disease.

I only agreed to go on a statin after I had a CT calcium score done, which showed some buildup in the main artery and my ApoB levels tested showed higher levels. The only current treatment for higher levels of ApoB is to crush your LDL. There are some meds in trial, but nothing approved yet.

I agree that ApoB predicts heart disease better than LDL cholesterol, but its risk is still primarily in metabolically unhealthy people.

Some commonly cited studies,
Framingham Offspring Study, MESA Study, NHANES Study show high ApoB was linked to heart disease death primarily in those with high triglycerides or low HDL, not in healthy individuals, suggesting ApoB may be a marker of metabolic dysfunction, with diabetes as a major heart disease risk factor. In insulin-sensitive, active people, high ApoB does not appear harmful.

Bottom line,
Treating high ApoB by taking a statin will reduce all cause mortality risk in primary patients by 1% * over 5 years.

So one could argue that statins are twice as effective for high ApoB than high LDL.
I'll still put my money on diet and lifestyle first.



* (WOSCOPS ARR for all cause mortality was ~0.8–0.9%)
 
I agree that ApoB predicts heart disease better than LDL cholesterol, but its risk is still primarily in metabolically unhealthy people.

Some commonly cited studies,
Framingham Offspring Study, MESA Study, NHANES Study show high ApoB was linked to heart disease death primarily in those with high triglycerides or low HDL, not in healthy individuals, suggesting ApoB may be a marker of metabolic dysfunction, with diabetes as a major heart disease risk factor. In insulin-sensitive, active people, high ApoB does not appear harmful.

Bottom line,
Treating high ApoB by taking a statin will reduce all cause mortality risk in primary patients by 1% * over 5 years.

So one could argue that statins are twice as effective for high ApoB than high LDL.
I'll still put my money on diet and lifestyle first.



* (WOSCOPS ARR for all cause mortality was ~0.8–0.9%)
I believe for the majority of society, you are correct… All causes of mortality would go down significantly if people consume less processed food, ate a balanced diet and exercised consistently.

Genetics is a factor. My whole life I’ve been a athlete and ate very clean. I’ve weighed all my food for over two decades. Since I was 20s my LDL was high normal and my HDL was extremely low. Continue refinement of diet only had very marginal impact. A large number of men in my family all died before the age of 60. (7 of them)

I believe a calcium CT score is the gold standard for artery health as it actually measures whether there’s a buildup of plaque in the artery. I’ve had the test done every five years for the last 20 years. The first three tests had zero plaque, even though my cholesterol numbers were less than ideal. The last test, four years ago, showed a build up of plaque in the Widowmaker artery. So i will take every % increase in reduced risk i can get and to-date i have had zero measurable sides from a very low dosage statin.
 
I believe for the majority of society, you are correct… All causes of mortality would go down significantly if people consume less processed food, ate a balanced diet and exercised consistently.

Genetics is a factor. My whole life I’ve been a athlete and ate very clean. I’ve weighed all my food for over two decades. Since I was 20s my LDL was high normal and my HDL was extremely low. Continue refinement of diet only had very marginal impact. A large number of men in my family all died before the age of 60. (7 of them)

I believe a calcium CT score is the gold standard for artery health as it actually measures whether there’s a buildup of plaque in the artery. I’ve had the test done every five years for the last 20 years. The first three tests had zero plaque, even though my cholesterol numbers were less than ideal. The last test, four years ago, showed a build up of plaque in the Widowmaker artery. So i will take every % increase in reduced risk i can get and to-date i have had zero measurable sides from a very low dosage statin.
completely agree. This is how medicine should be done.
Prioritize individual assessments over one-size-fits-all guidelines. If doctors just follow generic protocols, why have them at all?
Tests like CAC scores or CIMT are far better for identifying actual artery disease, allowing treatment only for those with plaque buildup.

The challenge with socialized healthcare is cost. CAC and CIMT scans are expensive ($100–$400 each), so it’s cheaper to put everyone on statins than to test individually.
If a heart attack costs the system $50,000, medicating a few hundred people with statins to prevent one event is more cost-effective than scanning hundreds of people.
But this “herd” approach risks overmedicating healthy people, ignoring individual factors like insulin sensitivity, where high ApoB is less risky.

Fundamentally, we're relying on the side effects being benign or subclinical in the majority of people to be justifiably ignored for the benefits to the few that truly do benefit from statin use.

Statins also have a clear risk of causing type 2 diabetes, and several other pleotropic effects.
Lipitor for example caused reversible dementia in test subjects. (when they stopped taking it the dementia went away). So how much subclinical dementia is acceptable to people ?

Genetics do matter, and family history is important.
looks like you've already gone after the lowest hanging fruit, insulin sensitivity is biggest by far,
you can't pick your parents,
so makes sense for you to go to the next step.
Unfortunately, that one % benefit is an average for the general population.
As a metabolicly healthy guy you're out on the tail of the bell curve, so benefits would be maybe only 0.3–0.5%.

It's been a while since I read this stuff, so my numbers might be off. I'm open to correction if I'm misremembering or something new has come up.
 
I think sugar and oxidative stress are the major culprits so mainly triglycerides and oxidized ldl particles I'd like to keep in range. But cholesterol meds are also good for other things like plaque reduction and lowered inflamation such as c reactive protein.
 
People need to remember that ldl can be high if it's the big fluffy particles but small dense ldl particles are oxidized. They are the dangerous ones so a general test of ldl and hdl doesn't really show anything. It needs to also be in ratio with low triglycerides. If triggs are low and ldl is high it could be mistaken for bad but might be from a high healthy fat diet and low carbs. Honestly though I just figured while on cycle the meds would help.
 
@Heraclitus a CT calcium score in AB is $460 but you only need one every 5 years. As an investment in your health, it’s the equivalent of 2 vials of test per year. I would suggest if it’s available to people in their province it should be a must before agreeing to take a statin.
 
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