Work ethic

Sorbate

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I have had that, but i never lose anymore. I lost a few in my early days, then i learned from some of the best....., I am a documentation king.
Worked in as a union guy and non union, so i know the culture deeply, as well manage in some of the most militant unions around Canada. CAW, Longshoreman, steelworkers...Etc etc..longshoremen are the craziest, make steelworkers look like kids...I was in steelworker union as an ironworker many , many moons ago...
Now, I teach my managers and supervisors how to document, how to engage, how to coach and mentor.. .Labor board has no chance, nor does a union if you do it correct, every part correct. Labor board is nothing compared to the unions in truth...
The only time one may lose , if they do it all correct and use step procedures etc. The onmly way one may lose is if the company is making a deal with the union and will let them win against x case, but the union will give up x issue...Backroom negotiating, which i am part of now, and i am not a fan of it, BUT, one has to do things for the greater good at times when in a role like mine and i wont hurt anyone in the process and i always let the managers know what happened and ask them to communicate a loss to their supervisors etc, sparing details. It sucks, but its biz...
I’m not worried about the labour board. They are really reasonable to deal with. Human rights tribunal is a nightmare. What they are all about is settling. They do not want yoou to take to the ajudicator. Numerous times I got letters suggesting I settle. I didn’t do what was claimed, I was not settling.

In the end I won, it was all dropped, but 3 years of bullshit. But I have done it once. I know the procedure now, I would have it dropped right at the start (I was told by a lawyer that specialized in this that there was no way to get it dropped at the start, she lied, well they make $800 an hour, after $3000, I fired her and I did it myself).
See its all geared towards the complaintant and the person who is named is considered guilty right off the bat. So she could file her paperwork late, get reminded numerous times by the tribunal to file and so on, but if I missed one deadline I was threatened with immediate reprocussions and considered to pay the settlement.
See at eh start all other staff made statements saying that i was not the type of person to do this, and that they didn’t see what was implied, but in the tribunals eyes it doesn’t matter if you are a saint, its only how the other person “feels”. so a good person can do bad things unwillingly and therefore are guilty, even if they didn’t know what they were doing is wrong. It all based on how they “feel”

Anyhow it won’t happen again. I learned a valuable lesson that cost me $3000, lol.
 

ironwill

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I’m not worried about the labour board. They are really reasonable to deal with. Human rights tribunal is a nightmare. What they are all about is settling. They do not want yoou to take to the ajudicator. Numerous times I got letters suggesting I settle. I didn’t do what was claimed, I was not settling.

In the end I won, it was all dropped, but 3 years of bullshit. But I have done it once. I know the procedure now, I would have it dropped right at the start (I was told by a lawyer that specialized in this that there was no way to get it dropped at the start, she lied, well they make $800 an hour, after $3000, I fired her and I did it myself).
See its all geared towards the complaintant and the person who is named is considered guilty right off the bat. So she could file her paperwork late, get reminded numerous times by the tribunal to file and so on, but if I missed one deadline I was threatened with immediate reprocussions and considered to pay the settlement.
See at eh start all other staff made statements saying that i was not the type of person to do this, and that they didn’t see what was implied, but in the tribunals eyes it doesn’t matter if you are a saint, its only how the other person “feels”. so a good person can do bad things unwillingly and therefore are guilty, even if they didn’t know what they were doing is wrong. It all based on how they “feel”

Anyhow it won’t happen again. I learned a valuable lesson that cost me $3000, lol.
I had human rights investigations as well. No issues on my end…
 

PGM

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Yes it is sad.
like I said in the past I would tell someone why I was firing them. I had a few come back and show me how well they were doing, that they cleaned up their act, most remained as customers for years.

Cant do that now, they complain to the labour board or god forbid the human rights tribunal (where you are guilty till proven guilty).
So everyone is laid off with termination pay, and no reason why.
Yeah it is pretty sad these days.

This entitlement attitude has evolved to such an extent because of government, unions, technology, and not strict enough parenting. Instant access to social media, gaming and phones has screwed us a lot. Young people sit on their asses all day playing on their phones rather than being physically active like ... toughing it out on your bike, playing physically with friends, having slap fights, sliding down hills in the winter. Fucking public school system, saw some utube teachers with nose rings, multi colored hair and the most scary hair cuts talking about gender choice should be taught at an early age in school. For fuck sakes, please wait until they get pubic hair until you start fucking up their minds on that stuff. It's not that important, be what you want personally.... I don't care ... but don't force it or teach it to my child. No wonder we are having problems with work ethics

It's a very confusing world out their these days ... everybody is sensitive about everything ... and this wokism is just utterly foolish. We are as a society (the west) getting weak, mentally and physically. Life is pretty simple, work hard, be kind to other people, and play hard.
 

ironwill

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I had human rights investigations as well. No issues on my end…
I’ll tell stories someday. I typed too much today.
Man you and I can just get our own forum to billshit and shot the breeze together. Lol good stuff brother.
 

ironwill

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Yeah it is pretty sad these days.

This entitlement attitude has evolved to such an extent because of government, unions, technology, and not strict enough parenting. Instant access to social media, gaming and phones has screwed us a lot. Young people sit on their asses all day playing on their phones rather than being physically active like ... toughing it out on your bike, playing physically with friends, having slap fights, sliding down hills in the winter. Fucking public school system, saw some utube teachers with nose rings, multi colored hair and the most scary hair cuts talking about gender choice should be taught at an early age in school. For fuck sakes, please wait until they get pubic hair until you start fucking up their minds on that stuff. It's not that important, be what you want personally.... I don't care ... but don't force it or teach it to my child. No wonder we are having problems with work ethics

It's a very confusing world out their these days ... everybody is sensitive about everything ... and this wokism is just utterly foolish. We are as a society (the west) getting weak, mentally and physically. Life is pretty simple, work hard, be kind to other people, and play hard.
Last bold part is common sense and I agree. Unfortunately sense is not common as much as deception and skirting issues to try and get away with something. More energy is spent on that than anything for majority. Still good to be had, just know where to seek and find it.
 

Sorbate

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Yeah it is pretty sad these days.

This entitlement attitude has evolved to such an extent because of government, unions, technology, and not strict enough parenting. Instant access to social media, gaming and phones has screwed us a lot. Young people sit on their asses all day playing on their phones rather than being physically active like ... toughing it out on your bike, playing physically with friends, having slap fights, sliding down hills in the winter. Fucking public school system, saw some utube teachers with nose rings, multi colored hair and the most scary hair cuts talking about gender choice should be taught at an early age in school. For fuck sakes, please wait until they get pubic hair until you start fucking up their minds on that stuff. It's not that important, be what you want personally.... I don't care ... but don't force it or teach it to my child. No wonder we are having problems with work ethics

It's a very confusing world out their these days ... everybody is sensitive about everything ... and this wokism is just utterly foolish. We are as a society (the west) getting weak, mentally and physically. Life is pretty simple, work hard, be kind to other people, and play hard.
They teach gender stuff in grade4. Most of the girls in grade 6 think they are bysexual now.
 
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I am off work today, and i am partaking in some salad...What gave it away....im a chatty smoker...
Me too. Smoking kinda makes me hyper, but chronic smoking makes me dumb, lol.

I remember when my neck was in pain, thought I’d smoke some see if that would help. So I asked which staff member was going to sell me weed, and not the kill you stuff, the makes you sleep stuff.

Anyhow I went home and smoked it, then was hyper as hell. My wife was passing out on the couch, it was my grandsons bedtime, there I am stuck along wanting to run circles around the block and party. Totally killed the experience, oh and then I focused on the pain, lol.

Anyhow my grandson and I had a wicked talk about the evolution of dinosaurs.
 

ironwill

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It’s a love hate relationship. I get hyper obviously. Lol
I used to smoke before the gym and my friends would be popping ephedrine.
Then I eat a bunch and no longer hyper.
Best for appetite loss and able to get the munchies. Some orals will do that to me. So I use lettuce to engage in eating ceremonies.
No lettuce today. Leg day and then Coras for breakfast after workout.
Gargantuan breakfast is the one I like with extra pancakes and three extra eggs and sourdough toast on the side.
Yum
 

Sorbate

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It’s a love hate relationship. I get hyper obviously. Lol
I used to smoke before the gym and my friends would be popping ephedrine.
Then I eat a bunch and no longer hyper.
Best for appetite loss and able to get the munchies. Some orals will do that to me. So I use lettuce to engage in eating ceremonies.
No lettuce today. Leg day and then Coras for breakfast after workout.
Gargantuan breakfast is the one I like with extra pancakes and three extra eggs and sourdough toast on the side.
Yum
Our Coras closed. I loved the potatos with onions.
 

ironwill

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Our Coras closed. I loved the potatos with onions.
Coras is awesome...I hop next weekend though as its mommas choice post leg day and we have been without for many years, so now living it up...Thats why i still have a joy of life, we switch shit up every couple years man....Life is fun and we love to live...
You should move with no Coras left now....lol...
 

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Coras is awesome...I hop next weekend though as its mommas choice post leg day and we have been without for many years, so now living it up...Thats why i still have a joy of life, we switch shit up every couple years man....Life is fun and we love to live...
You should move with no Coras left now....lol...
5 years and 9 months and it will be called Chica Coras, lol
 

dutch

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In the trades it’s really bad right now. Companies are over paying to get b and c teamers.

Im reaching my end so meh, but shits going to get really bad here.

Thank god Trudeau is going to give everyone two thousand a month so no one has to work. 🤦‍♂️
I conquer with all these posts. Been in the trades for well over 25 years, and it blows my mind what I see nowadays. I can’t retire fast enough, things have changed drastically over the last few years . The work ethic , the pride in workmanship, attendance and so on . I weep for the future workforces , I couldn’t even fathom being an owner .
 

ironwill

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I conquer with all these posts. Been in the trades for well over 25 years, and it blows my mind what I see nowadays. I can’t retire fast enough, things have changed drastically over the last few years . The work ethic , the pride in workmanship, attendance and so on . I weep for the future workforces , I couldn’t even fathom being an owner .
Yes, me as well....Worked from the very bottom to attain 3 trades tickets and kept going up to corporate director of Trades, Maintenance and engineering. Blah, blah..I am astounded at what i see coming in and i am very worried about the safety of these zoned out zombies...Not all, i still get to meet and receive feedback on some real stars, but that is rare, opposed to common only a decade or so ago. Its changing fast, real fast...
But alas, i am like the old guy, a short time left and i never want to hear about an industry or a trade again. I am happy to have my skills from my time in the trenches as they serve me well and will continue to do so, but truly it is a damn babysitting club now, and that was not trades when i was being inducted....
 

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Yes, me as well....Worked from the very bottom to attain 3 trades tickets and kept going up to corporate director of Trades, Maintenance and engineering. Blah, blah..I am astounded at what i see coming in and i am very worried about the safety of these zoned out zombies...Not all, i still get to meet and receive feedback on some real stars, but that is rare, opposed to common only a decade or so ago. Its changing fast, real fast...
But alas, i am like the old guy, a short time left and i never want to hear about an industry or a trade again. I am happy to have my skills from my time in the trenches as they serve me well and will continue to do so, but truly it is a damn babysitting club now, and that was not trades when i was being inducted....
100% right on the money! Couldn’t have said any better myself!
 

Novitec

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Ya its bad man. I was in management for years, thankfully not anymore and I can tell you it's almost impossible to fire anyone for anything, especially performance issues. HR and the fact companies need to coddle everyone's feelings is what the issue is.

The really sad part about the whole situation is that not everyone is like this naturally. A lot of companies create these issues themselves. When you treat people like children then they act like children.

I took a different approach to people on my teams I managed. They got a very stern talking to upon arrival to my team and expectations set and if anyone fucked around they'd be off my team. They never got fired unfortunately (not my choice) just moved but it always made me wonder why no one above took note as I had very effective teams. If they took note then the whole company would be effective. Then again though poor work ethic is just at ground level. Everything trickles down so it's the top is broken then the bottom always will be. Very frustrating.
 

PGM

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They teach gender stuff in grade4. Most of the girls in grade 6 think they are bysexual now.
it's called polyamorous now. Will Smith's daughter said that is what she is. We use to call that a whore, fucking anyone you want I definitely thought was a whore. Now it has a happy word, polyamorous. Pretty soon the government and the activists will have boundaries and rights for pedophiles. Crazy world.
 

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it's called polyamorous now. Will Smith's daughter said that is what she is. We use to call that a whore, fucking anyone you want I definitely thought was a whore. Now it has a happy word, polyamorous. Pretty soon the government and the activists will have boundaries and rights for pedophiles. Crazy world.
I think they are already pushing for pedofiles to have rights
 
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