Tips for arm growth anybody?

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Hey guys, been posting a lot lately but figured I’d throw this one out there. I’ve always struggled genetically with growing a nice set of pipes… my back , chest and legs blow up easily, and I’ve noticed a bit of disproportion lately. Arms aren’t keeping up with the rest of me! I do have a set arm day once a week. And I’ve kept training my muscle groups to about 12-15 working sets, no more. I know over training can be a thing. I also throw in some extra heavy reps near the end of my workouts with a bit of a cheat form, as I’ve heard this can help stimulate the growth sometimes, confusing the muscle a bit shit like that. A couple times a month I’ll do 1 or 2 drop sets with bis or tris after back or chest day. I know that I eat enough calories. I also supplement my meals with ensure plus shakes 3-4 times a day to get those extra calories in. I know it’s not a lack of food.

If anybody has any tips that have worked for them I’d be extremely appreciative to hear them. If there’s anything else that would help out that I should add please let me know. Thanks
 
If your good with putting your chest and maybe some back on maintenance mode for a while, you could do arms 3 time/week. Before your chest work, before your back work and before leg or shoulder day. 5-6 hard working sets per workout of bi's and tri;s 3 days a week.
This is something i have done with other bodyparts in the past and it worked fairly well
 
If your good with putting your chest and maybe some back on maintenance mode for a while, you could do arms 3 time/week. Before your chest work, before your back work and before leg or shoulder day. 5-6 hard working sets per workout of bi's and tri;s 3 days a week.
This is something i have done with other bodyparts in the past and it worked fairly well
I agree with this, even doing the same amount of volume or working sets but spread out through out the week might offer more growth, so if your arm day you do 15 sets, do 5 sets Monday 5 sets Wednesday and 5 sets Friday. I mix it up too so you still hit biceps all over but focus more on one separate part each time. Ex Monday heavy barbell curls, Wednesday dumbell hammer curls then Friday maybe reverse barbell curl superset with Spiderman curls to failure etc..I used to do bro split, not saying your doing bro split but 1 muscle group per day equaling say a full body of the course of the week is really only hitting the muscle once a week even if you do 6 exercises in one day after the first one or two your damage is done. Hitting it 3 times a week should equal triple the growth.
 
Hey guys, been posting a lot lately but figured I’d throw this one out there. I’ve always struggled genetically with growing a nice set of pipes… my back , chest and legs blow up easily, and I’ve noticed a bit of disproportion lately. Arms aren’t keeping up with the rest of me! I do have a set arm day once a week. And I’ve kept training my muscle groups to about 12-15 working sets, no more. I know over training can be a thing. I also throw in some extra heavy reps near the end of my workouts with a bit of a cheat form, as I’ve heard this can help stimulate the growth sometimes, confusing the muscle a bit shit like that. A couple times a month I’ll do 1 or 2 drop sets with bis or tris after back or chest day. I know that I eat enough calories. I also supplement my meals with ensure plus shakes 3-4 times a day to get those extra calories in. I know it’s not a lack of food.

If anybody has any tips that have worked for them I’d be extremely appreciative to hear them. If there’s anything else that would help out that I should add please let me know. Thanks

WAY too much "work" unless you have superior genetics, drug enhanced and pefect diet lol..

I've had fairly decent arms for the last 20+ years.. 3-4 sets for your total biceps and 3-4 sets for triceps max once a week..

something like
biceps
1-2 set to failure barbell curls
1 set to failure incline dumbell curls
1 set to failure concentration curls

tricps
1-2 sets to failure cable pushdowns.
1 set to failure overhead extensions
1 set to failure dumbell kickbacks..

I'd keep all sets 7-10 reps..
and failure means absolute failure.

*This is assuming you are not over training your entire body.. If you over train your back, ie too many sets, your biceps will be over trained as a result as well etc..

When people want a specifc body part to grow, they naturally add "work" thinking its not growing because it needs more stimulus.. 99% of the time it's exacrly opposite.. The person is over training that body parts through reps/sets/super sets/drop sets etc..


I just had this conversation with a younger guy.. he told me he can NOT get his chest to grow in size or strngth... I told him most likely he's trying to get them to grow by doing too much and instead halve his set number and exercise number.. he disagreed... we chatted more and eventually he said "I don't get it. I hardly do anything for my back and it just keeps getting better"... I laiughed and repeated back to him word for word what he just told me and I emphazied the bolded words "I don't get it. I hardly do anything for my back and it just keeps getting better"... He then realized he really doesn't do much for his back and it just keeps growing because he hardly does anythign for it lol..

It's a weird thing too, I told him "back muscles are much larger than pecs.... but you are doing so much more "work" on your pecs, yet pecs are so much smaller.. why do you bombard small muscle groups with way more sets than your large muscle groups expecting them to grow?"
 
When I changed from barbell curls to cable curls, it made a big difference for me. Also when I added overhead work to triceps; Incline skull crushers/overhead extensions.
It took me a while to figure that out, for triceps it's not how your hands are whether over or under hand but what matters is where your elbows are, beside the body, infront of the body and over your head.
 
I had the same prob with my shoulders while back. A bud who was a strength & conditioning coach on Van Canucks had me do 100's your basically picking one exercise for the body part and repping out the same weight til you hit 100. First set you might hit 30-40 and u just take minimal rest between sets and just try keep pushing it out. If your worried about imbalance just use diff exercise next time around. Hope it helps man
 
There are lots of great tips and while you can make any muscle grow, genetics play a part for everyone. For example - my neck grows very easily and I have to get shirts tailored or I can't button them up all the way (dress clothes that is).

When you do back day do you do reverse grip close chin-ups? Wish I could find the study but this exercise apparently hits biceps more than any other bicep exercise (according to the study) and it is actually for your back. Even pulling down with your elbows to lift up with good form, your biceps are working hard. If I can find it, I will post it. It is on the forum somewhere.
Further, if you want big/strong forearms - don't use straps and use a thick bar so it's hard to grip. If the gym doesn't have one, you can buy grips to put around the bar that make it harder to hold.
I wish I could train arms as much as people mention above but if I really pushed it multiple times a week, I would end up with a minor injury.
I love skull crushers and dips for triceps and for biceps I prefer straight bar/curl bar (alternating reverse hold curls each time it is arm day) and hammer curls (I mix in other exercises too but those are my favourite for growth). That is it. Few warm up sets and then 4-6 working sets of each. On the day I train biceps I train my forearms just as hard - hold a very thick bar with body weight as long as I can. I have hard balls that give more resistance (3 sets of balls) with each set - 1 set of max reps for each set of balls followed by putting the ball between my pointer and thumb and squeeze as many reps as I can get out, and seated wrist curls. I don't know what you want to call it but I take an old school dumbbell and put weight on one end (maybe 25 lbs) and do a movement like it is a hammer without my bicep area hardly moving. Arm straight down and just moving the weight up and down.
Not everyone will want the amount of forearm work I do but for the sports I like, grip is important.

Mixing things up is great - I was doing P/P/L training and now I do one body part each workout except for shoulders and triceps together.
For my physiology this works well, not sure it will for you. One comment I think is important - if you can't feel the muscle being worked, even if it an exercise known to help that body part grow, pick another that you can feel and get a great pump from. Took me a while to figure out the ones I like the most/work the best. Like @animal-inside - I love kickbacks too and throw them in from time to time.
I'm not sure there is a perfect formula as what works for someone else may not work for me. Trial and error.
 
There are lots of great tips and while you can make any muscle grow, genetics play a part for everyone. For example - my neck grows very easily and I have to get shirts tailored or I can't button them up all the way (dress clothes that is).

When you do back day do you do reverse grip close chin-ups? Wish I could find the study but this exercise apparently hits biceps more than any other bicep exercise (according to the study) and it is actually for your back. Even pulling down with your elbows to lift up with good form, your biceps are working hard. If I can find it, I will post it. It is on the forum somewhere.
Further, if you want big/strong forearms - don't use straps and use a thick bar so it's hard to grip. If the gym doesn't have one, you can buy grips to put around the bar that make it harder to hold.
I wish I could train arms as much as people mention above but if I really pushed it multiple times a week, I would end up with a minor injury.
I love skull crushers and dips for triceps and for biceps I prefer straight bar/curl bar (alternating reverse hold curls each time it is arm day) and hammer curls (I mix in other exercises too but those are my favourite for growth). That is it. Few warm up sets and then 4-6 working sets of each. On the day I train biceps I train my forearms just as hard - hold a very thick bar with body weight as long as I can. I have hard balls that give more resistance (3 sets of balls) with each set - 1 set of max reps for each set of balls followed by putting the ball between my pointer and thumb and squeeze as many reps as I can get out, and seated wrist curls. I don't know what you want to call it but I take an old school dumbbell and put weight on one end (maybe 25 lbs) and do a movement like it is a hammer without my bicep area hardly moving. Arm straight down and just moving the weight up and down.
Not everyone will want the amount of forearm work I do but for the sports I like, grip is important.

Mixing things up is great - I was doing P/P/L training and now I do one body part each workout except for shoulders and triceps together.
For my physiology this works well, not sure it will for you. One comment I think is important - if you can't feel the muscle being worked, even if it an exercise known to help that body part grow, pick another that you can feel and get a great pump from. Took me a while to figure out the ones I like the most/work the best. Like @animal-inside - I love kickbacks too and throw them in from time to time.
I'm not sure there is a perfect formula as what works for someone else may not work for me. Trial and error.
I am prone to tendinitis , I’ve had it in the past… so I am stretching and warming up as much as I feel I need. That’s the only thing that worries me is the overtraining piece. But I have focused my entire program lately on arms. I keep my other muscle groups (besides legs) to a minimum of sets and don’t exhaust the arms until I’m able to focus… for example on a chest day I’ll literally do a hammer strength press. Maybe some moderate weight incline dbell press, then two variations of flys then I’ll hit triceps for 8-10 working sets. I focus on contractions and ROM . I do know how to lift properly but I was told to confuse the muscle to throw some cheat reps in at the end here and there. So maybe every other week I’ll do that at the end. But when it comes to something like preacher ez curls or pronated grip curls for brachi, I really focus and concentrate on the negatives. They’ve definitely become more defined the last couple of weeks but I’m aiming for growth , not shape. Inevitably on the shit I’m running though the cuts are happening. I’m wondering if I should back off the tren mast and just run a high dose of test with my MK 677 for a bit
 
Also I will throw more of those chin up’s in. The thing is I’ve got more weight on me than normal right now so they’ve become much harder the last month or so
 
I am prone to tendinitis , I’ve had it in the past… so I am stretching and warming up as much as I feel I need. That’s the only thing that worries me is the overtraining piece. But I have focused my entire program lately on arms. I keep my other muscle groups (besides legs) to a minimum of sets and don’t exhaust the arms until I’m able to focus… for example on a chest day I’ll literally do a hammer strength press. Maybe some moderate weight incline dbell press, then two variations of flys then I’ll hit triceps for 8-10 working sets. I focus on contractions and ROM . I do know how to lift properly but I was told to confuse the muscle to throw some cheat reps in at the end here and there. So maybe every other week I’ll do that at the end. But when it comes to something like preacher ez curls or pronated grip curls for brachi, I really focus and concentrate on the negatives. They’ve definitely become more defined the last couple of weeks but I’m aiming for growth , not shape. Inevitably on the shit I’m running though the cuts are happening. I’m wondering if I should back off the tren mast and just run a high dose of test with my MK 677 for a bit
There is no perfect formula and with the amount of PED I use - not much - I am sure it helps but I still get injured if I train too frequently. You have to experiment. I have been doing 1 body part a day as a change - never tried it before and much to my surprise I still can't train more than two days in a row. I listen to my body as I know the repercussions if I don't. A slight pull which can turn into a chronic pain and issue you have to rehab and hinders progress. A wise man once said this a turtle sport - small progressive gains.
Can't stress this enough - I would rather kill it in the gym today - stretch tomorrow/warm up and I will know immediately good pain from bad pain and even though I want to hit the weights I won't. It isn't out of the ordinary for me to take two days off and then train two days but when I'm in the gym or training at home - I make sure I am making the most out of the time.
You mentioned shakes and weight gainers/ensure. Just my opinion and yes I always have a bottle of whey protein or Vega Sport protein but don't use it everyday - try to get your calories and goal on macros on with real food. Steak, Chicken, Fish, different meats for protein, lots of sources of carbs - vegetables, fruit, rice, potatoes, yams, cream of rice is a favourite of mine for a pre-workout. Good calories / good carb source and you can almost work out as soon as you are done without feeling full. My point is I would throw the ensure out the window, it is crap and sorry if that sounds harsh. Weight gainers maybe if you are a strong man and can't get 5-10 K calories a day, otherwise do your best to get it from food. Real food - eggs are a great source of protein after training, quick to cook, and I wouldn't worry about the yolk. Anyway - you do what you can. Fats aren't your enemy either - healthy fats that is if your in growth mode: EVOO, real PB, almond butter, etc. I can make a meal out of a tablespoon or two of Almond butter, a small piece of meat (a 6 ounce top sirloin steak I cooked at supper) - maybe a cold piece of left over steak, and when I cook potatoes or sweet potatoes I cook more than enough so I can put them in the fridge. I will eat a cooked cold sweet or normal potato. Add up the calories/macros - close to 700 and 35 g carbs/35 g fats/44 g protein. Keep in mind I'm far from perfect hence cooking in advance and knowing how long food will keep in the fridge and that was not including any veggies. I always eat fruit and vegetables. I have to plan out my meals in advance or I won't eat the right food or enough of it.

If it was me I wouldn't train the larger body parts less and arms more but that is me. The reason I say that is I do train train triceps and biceps but they get a major workout when doing other body parts. Any chest/shoulder day includes a lot of pressing and your triceps will often give out before your shoulders or chest. Same with back - I get an incredible pump in biceps and I am careful to all pulls concentrating on pulling with my elbows to eliminate the bicep work.

As much as seems counterproductive - and I am past the days I can do it but I see some guys doing it here they don't even train biceps and triceps: they concentrate on heavy compound exercises like presses, dead lifts, bent rows, squats (not for arms at all), shoulder presses of different variations and upright rows for a change. Just a suggestion when you hit a wall and need a change if your body can take it.

I wouldn't worry about the PED angle - I am on TRT and periodically throw a small amount of another compound in like Primo or NPP but only 150 mg per week. My gains are from food. I'm not dim and know if your blasting more PED's you can do more but I don't care if you are on 1000 mg of anything - working out 6 days a week if you truly are balls to the wall training you will inevitably end up with an injury. Most people try to work through it and end up with a worse problem. There is nothing wrong with feeling a 'bad' pain and walking out and taking a few weeks off just stretching and getting therapy. I use a rock hard ball and hard foam rollers all the time to work out issues prior to training and if I pull something.

I am all over the pond here with this post but my main point is: there is no perfect formula, food is your friend more so that sugar drinks like ensure to get calories unless you have to for being strongman, PED's aren't your solution as you can't keep it up. It isn't healthy and you need to learn to eat. @FitTrader, who had been through it all, once said he never knew about growth until he really learned about eating.

For what is worth - @Funnyman I believe is very reasonable in cost and worth way more than a few bottles of test, I wouldn't hesitate to hire him for a phone consult and get suggestions.

This is not a lecture or saying don't try the things you are trying but consider alternatives. I can't say do this or that for certain, nor can anyone else as we are different phsiologically.

Whatever you do best of luck!
 
I have always had good arms. But I know I have always trained them with the most intensity.

I only do 8 sets per muscle, but after a warm up set, each set is to complete failure, in your biceps, you should get white hot burning extreme pain after a set, where you want to shake your arms to get rid of it. In your tri's it should feel like you are going to get a muscle cramp.

If yours arms are not giving you some sort of extreme pain at the end of the set, dig inside and push harder, part reps and so on.

I only train arms once a week. The soreness would not be gone quick enough to train more often unless I am geared up.

Sometimes for a change I do supersets with 3 different exercises. I do 3 sets.

BTW, tendonitis is part of the game. Sometimes when it gets too bad, you gotta take time off and just do cardio for a couple weeks.
 
There is no perfect formula and with the amount of PED I use - not much - I am sure it helps but I still get injured if I train too frequently. You have to experiment. I have been doing 1 body part a day as a change - never tried it before and much to my surprise I still can't train more than two days in a row. I listen to my body as I know the repercussions if I don't. A slight pull which can turn into a chronic pain and issue you have to rehab and hinders progress. A wise man once said this a turtle sport - small progressive gains.
Can't stress this enough - I would rather kill it in the gym today - stretch tomorrow/warm up and I will know immediately good pain from bad pain and even though I want to hit the weights I won't. It isn't out of the ordinary for me to take two days off and then train two days but when I'm in the gym or training at home - I make sure I am making the most out of the time.
You mentioned shakes and weight gainers/ensure. Just my opinion and yes I always have a bottle of whey protein or Vega Sport protein but don't use it everyday - try to get your calories and goal on macros on with real food. Steak, Chicken, Fish, different meats for protein, lots of sources of carbs - vegetables, fruit, rice, potatoes, yams, cream of rice is a favourite of mine for a pre-workout. Good calories / good carb source and you can almost work out as soon as you are done without feeling full. My point is I would throw the ensure out the window, it is crap and sorry if that sounds harsh. Weight gainers maybe if you are a strong man and can't get 5-10 K calories a day, otherwise do your best to get it from food. Real food - eggs are a great source of protein after training, quick to cook, and I wouldn't worry about the yolk. Anyway - you do what you can. Fats aren't your enemy either - healthy fats that is if your in growth mode: EVOO, real PB, almond butter, etc. I can make a meal out of a tablespoon or two of Almond butter, a small piece of meat (a 6 ounce top sirloin steak I cooked at supper) - maybe a cold piece of left over steak, and when I cook potatoes or sweet potatoes I cook more than enough so I can put them in the fridge. I will eat a cooked cold sweet or normal potato. Add up the calories/macros - close to 700 and 35 g carbs/35 g fats/44 g protein. Keep in mind I'm far from perfect hence cooking in advance and knowing how long food will keep in the fridge and that was not including any veggies. I always eat fruit and vegetables. I have to plan out my meals in advance or I won't eat the right food or enough of it.

If it was me I wouldn't train the larger body parts less and arms more but that is me. The reason I say that is I do train train triceps and biceps but they get a major workout when doing other body parts. Any chest/shoulder day includes a lot of pressing and your triceps will often give out before your shoulders or chest. Same with back - I get an incredible pump in biceps and I am careful to all pulls concentrating on pulling with my elbows to eliminate the bicep work.

As much as seems counterproductive - and I am past the days I can do it but I see some guys doing it here they don't even train biceps and triceps: they concentrate on heavy compound exercises like presses, dead lifts, bent rows, squats (not for arms at all), shoulder presses of different variations and upright rows for a change. Just a suggestion when you hit a wall and need a change if your body can take it.

I wouldn't worry about the PED angle - I am on TRT and periodically throw a small amount of another compound in like Primo or NPP but only 150 mg per week. My gains are from food. I'm not dim and know if your blasting more PED's you can do more but I don't care if you are on 1000 mg of anything - working out 6 days a week if you truly are balls to the wall training you will inevitably end up with an injury. Most people try to work through it and end up with a worse problem. There is nothing wrong with feeling a 'bad' pain and walking out and taking a few weeks off just stretching and getting therapy. I use a rock hard ball and hard foam rollers all the time to work out issues prior to training and if I pull something.

I am all over the pond here with this post but my main point is: there is no perfect formula, food is your friend more so that sugar drinks like ensure to get calories unless you have to for being strongman, PED's aren't your solution as you can't keep it up. It isn't healthy and you need to learn to eat. @FitTrader, who had been through it all, once said he never knew about growth until he really learned about eating.

For what is worth - @Funnyman I believe is very reasonable in cost and worth way more than a few bottles of test, I wouldn't hesitate to hire him for a phone consult and get suggestions.

This is not a lecture or saying don't try the things you are trying but consider alternatives. I can't say do this or that for certain, nor can anyone else as we are different phsiologically.

Whatever you do best of luck!
I am taking all of this into account, but the reason I’m supplementing with those is because for the next two months i am on a set diet and meals from my job, I have to get take out all the time, and my rent includes my food. Also no space to store anything in fridges or freezers so I need to work with what I have for the next 2 months. I rarely get steak, mostly grind beef, way too much pork, not enough eggs. I eat out a lot and it does cost a fortune currently. Hence why I’m using those shakes
 
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