This was a tough one for me.

Not once did I hear that good diet, vitamins, cardio, avoid bad food etc being part of their toolkit
I know.
I have watched more than one video of doctors explaining the top comobidities. Number one by a margin was obesity.
And the more obese you were the poorer the outcome. I believe in the USA it was 70% of the people in hospital were obese.
That one can be fixed. The vaccine will not make you invincible.
our government is failing us, and so is the media.
 
How many people landing in the hospital right now are there because their life saving treatments have been refused off and on over the past 18 months, in the name of health of course.
Go in for diabetic issues, PCR that shit 45 cycles, now you are a covid patient. Refuse the fake PCR, well, Hinshaw admitted refusals count as positives. Lol
 
And people in those age groups due from the flu each year as well. there is always the outliers. And no one knows if they truly had zero underlying issues. And the media wouldn’t research that information. I can’t see them doing an autopsy for each covid patient to find out the exact cause and then have it analized to figure out if there were zero issues.

I wonder how many passed away in their sleep after the covid vaccine in that same amount of time?
Ya, that is true
 
5600 top doctors of the world have signed onto a statement recently calling out this bullshit.
On the surface this seems like a lot, 5,600 is a big number. But when you consider there's roughly 9.2 million doctors in the world, that's around 0.0006% signed onto this statement. So that leaves the other 99.9994%. So these 5,600 doctors are really just a tiny drop in a very large bucket. Even at a million doctors, which is a lot of people, that still would represent a very large minority. I think something like this would need to get up over the 3 million mark to give it some real serious weight.

I'm not on board with mandatory vaccinations, but I'm not opposed to restrictions being imposed for those who choose not to be vaccinated. I'm seeing a lot of push-back against it saying it's taking away freedom's, but I don't feel that is the case. I see requiring a proof of vaccine to sit down and eat at a restaurant as no different than requiring to wear clothing into the restaurant. If it ever gets to the point of requiring a vaccine to do necessities like buying groceries, or receiving services like power that's when I think it crosses the line of imposing on freedoms.

I'm not even sure if "vaccine" is the right term they should be using. The word vaccine implies immunity, and they've said right from day 1 this doesn't provide immunity it will only help the body fight it off while minimizing symptoms. That simple fact is preventing many from getting it. Here in Eastern Canada, roughly 85% of cases since July are from those who are not fully vaccinated. That is leading to cries of "I told you the vaccine doesn't work! Look at the 15% who still caught it!!" I can only shake my head at those people because it's showing their lack of critical thinking.

In the unvaccinated group, there are definitely 2 different camps. I completely understand those who have health conditions preventing them from getting the vaccine, those who fear the long term effects of the vaccine, fear the short term side effects or flu symptoms, or just have a general fear of needles. I use the word fear but it may be more like uncertainty. Either way, I can easily get behind their choices not to get vaccinated. The ones who choose not to because they think the vaccine is a vessel for mind control chips being implanted by our government for total global domination, well...... no comment! LOL
 
On the surface this seems like a lot, 5,600 is a big number. But when you consider there's roughly 9.2 million doctors in the world, that's around 0.0006% signed onto this statement. So that leaves the other 99.9994%. So these 5,600 doctors are really just a tiny drop in a very large bucket. Even at a million doctors, which is a lot of people, that still would represent a very large minority. I think something like this would need to get up over the 3 million mark to give it some real serious weight.
‘Most doctors will not murder their career to speak up. Just like most resturants will not oppose the vaccine passport and have their business destroyed. So the numbers is a poor argument.
My thought is, when a doctor applies logical thought, and doesn't goes off the deep end, why are they doing it? Especially when they back it up with documentation?
I'm not on board with mandatory vaccinations, but I'm not opposed to restrictions being imposed for those who choose not to be vaccinated. I'm seeing a lot of push-back against it saying it's taking away freedom's, but I don't feel that is the case. I see requiring a proof of vaccine to sit down and eat at a restaurant as no different than requiring to wear clothing into the restaurant. If it ever gets to the point of requiring a vaccine to do necessities like buying groceries, or receiving services like power that's when I think it crosses the line of imposing on freedoms.
It will start out with resturants and such, but when the numbers don’t go down, because first off the vaccine is poor at controlling illness, and secondly the vaccine is not a bandaid for poor health. There will be vaccinated deaths. Since obesity is number one comobidity, and what 50% of Canadians are obese, we will have issues. People so underestimate how fat they are. Next it will be the unvaccinated killing the vaccinated. Not sure how, but we will be blamed.
So they will up the game. No getting take out. Maybe eventually groceries. It will likely cross the line. They have numerous times already, but it will be for our health.
Actually keeping me away from the vaccinated who can still spread is healthier for me. Even though I think they will abuse the passport, I’m fine with being restricted. The less I’m exposed the better.
I'm not even sure if "vaccine" is the right term they should be using. The word vaccine implies immunity, and they've said right from day 1 this doesn't provide immunity it will only help the body fight it off while minimizing symptoms. That simple fact is preventing many from getting it. Here in Eastern Canada, roughly 85% of cases since July are from those who are not fully vaccinated. That is leading to cries of "I told you the vaccine doesn't work! Look at the 15% who still caught it!!" I can only shake my head at those people because it's showing their lack of critical thinking.
I don’t really hold too much faith in the numbers. Most other places besides North America, vaccinated and unvaccinated are not that far off. In Alberta I know, if you believe theur numbers, 30% vaccinated. Mind you remember people with only one shot are now considered unvaccinated.
So only looking at the East, is not the whole picture. To think critically you need to look outside our neighbourhood.
I know the vaccine is a great tool. But only one of the tools, and it’s not needed for the people with minimal risk, IMO. Vaccinating kids, now that is seriously disturbed.
How about they start promoting a healthier lifestyle and at min vit d.
In the unvaccinated group, there are definitely 2 different camps. I completely understand those who have health conditions preventing them from getting the vaccine, those who fear the long term effects of the vaccine, fear the short term side effects or flu symptoms, or just have a general fear of needles. I use the word fear but it may be more like uncertainty. Either way, I can easily get behind their choices not to get vaccinated. The ones who choose not to because they think the vaccine is a vessel for mind control chips being implanted by our government for total global domination, well...... no comment! LOL
I personally am not getting it because I have too many people that depend on me being able to function. Since the first time I caught covid it was minimal, I’m pretty sure I‘ll be fine the second time. So even though the risk is small, why would I purposely risk it?

Yeah there is no chip, Jesus we all carry cell phones.
Actually I have zero issues with your thought process on the whole thing. Only difference is your is one thru the eyes of someone vaccinated. And I’m not calling you out specifically, just your post give me food for thought.
 
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On the surface this seems like a lot, 5,600 is a big number. But when you consider there's roughly 9.2 million doctors in the world, that's around 0.0006% signed onto this statement. So that leaves the other 99.9994%. So these 5,600 doctors are really just a tiny drop in a very large bucket. Even at a million doctors, which is a lot of people, that still would represent a very large minority. I think something like this would need to get up over the 3 million mark to give it some real serious weight.

I'm not on board with mandatory vaccinations, but I'm not opposed to restrictions being imposed for those who choose not to be vaccinated. I'm seeing a lot of push-back against it saying it's taking away freedom's, but I don't feel that is the case. I see requiring a proof of vaccine to sit down and eat at a restaurant as no different than requiring to wear clothing into the restaurant. If it ever gets to the point of requiring a vaccine to do necessities like buying groceries, or receiving services like power that's when I think it crosses the line of imposing on freedoms.

I'm not even sure if "vaccine" is the right term they should be using. The word vaccine implies immunity, and they've said right from day 1 this doesn't provide immunity it will only help the body fight it off while minimizing symptoms. That simple fact is preventing many from getting it. Here in Eastern Canada, roughly 85% of cases since July are from those who are not fully vaccinated. That is leading to cries of "I told you the vaccine doesn't work! Look at the 15% who still caught it!!" I can only shake my head at those people because it's showing their lack of critical thinking.

In the unvaccinated group, there are definitely 2 different camps. I completely understand those who have health conditions preventing them from getting the vaccine, those who fear the long term effects of the vaccine, fear the short term side effects or flu symptoms, or just have a general fear of needles. I use the word fear but it may be more like uncertainty. Either way, I can easily get behind their choices not to get vaccinated. The ones who choose not to because they think the vaccine is a vessel for mind control chips being implanted by our government for total global domination, well...... no comment! LOL
Its at about 7200 now and you are right, on the world stage that is not impressive.
But, i am looking more at their credentials. These are not just average GPs from you local doctors office. Some happen to be the most published in medical journals, one happens to be the founder of the mrna technology.
And we have also had a few brave whistleblowers come forward and say their licence to practice has been threatened. So just like the ones that only take the vaccine to keep their job, many doctors will keep their mouths shut to keep theirs.
And where ever you are reading about mind control chips and such, maybe change the channel. Sounds like MSM propaganda to discourage any real debate about obvious agendas. Lol
As far as restrictions go, i kind of agree but i believe it is the vaccinated that should be restricted from being in public seeing how more evidence comes out each day showing they are the sick ones. Data doesnt lie. No reason to keep heathy people isolated. Focus on the vaxxed that are shown to carry over 200 times more viral load than healthy, non vaxxed.
 
Oh.. I also asked about Ivermectin...

He said 100% it was being used to treat covid patients and doctors had very high hopes of using it as a treatment, but recently its looking like its not as successful as they orgianlly thought. They are still using it and will continue to use it until something better comes along, but its not looking as promising as they had hoped.

He also said its very very difficult for eveyrone even doctors right now sicne literally everyday they are given new info about some aspect about covid.. It's tough to stya up to date and things they knew end up being not true or slightrly different all the time as new info comes out.
Good post man, good on ya. I am not taking the vacc myself, but to each their own, unfortunately your doc is misinformed on Ivermectin, i have spoke to several professional medical folks that are specialized in this area and they say 100% it is effective, and many, many countries are doing it and winning. Just had to correct that one bit of misinformation that he told you. I am not just yapping, i have literally reached out to many specialists as it is my wife and i taking this journey, and i wanted to ensure she heard everything i did as well, to ensure both of us are making the right decision FOR US.
I have good contacts and made several more in my seeking of the truth as best as it can be seen right now.
 
Its at about 7200 now and you are right, on the world stage that is not impressive.
But, i am looking more at their credentials. These are not just average GPs from you local doctors office. Some happen to be the most published in medical journals, one happens to be the founder of the mrna technology.
And we have also had a few brave whistleblowers come forward and say their licence to practice has been threatened. So just like the ones that only take the vaccine to keep their job, many doctors will keep their mouths shut to keep theirs.
And where ever you are reading about mind control chips and such, maybe change the channel. Sounds like MSM propaganda to discourage any real debate about obvious agendas. Lol
As far as restrictions go, i kind of agree but i believe it is the vaccinated that should be restricted from being in public seeing how more evidence comes out each day showing they are the sick ones. Data doesnt lie. No reason to keep heathy people isolated. Focus on the vaxxed that are shown to carry over 200 times more viral load than healthy, non vaxxed.
7200 that came forward, there are many that are not qualified, or in completely different doctorate fields. I care about the qualifications and experiences they have. A Doctor van be many things, not an expert in these types of scenarios, so 7200 is a rather large number considering many folks are doctorates in engineering, accounting etc and many GP docs that know as much or less than general public.
It is about the experience and credentials.
I'm bowing out of this chat now as i am done with debating this situation, we made our choice and we are standing strong until the end of this shit.
I fought so much in the recent past about this, and i am not going to keep going as it is hard on my brain.

You make good points Superbeast on this, Sorbate and others as well. I'm glad I'm not alone with just wife and I...In our area, there are hundreds of folks like minded to us, i think it is more common than media lets us know boys...
 
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