Tariff War

How many people are really crossing from Canada into the US unlawfully? I'm sure it's not many when proper perspective is applied. In fact, there was a period not so long ago that the US crossing into Canada were the issue, maybe it's still an issue. In Quebec for example, Roxham Road was reported to be a high volume crossing (high volume for a Northen border). I'm sure there were other locations in the west Canada that were equally abused. I think the Trumpster needs to get his facts straight or tell us what he really wants.

Further, let America secure America's border if they are so concerned. Why does Canada need to do the leg work when the truth of the direction of unlawful crossings is at least indispute, if not opposite of what Trump is saying.

Fentanyl....Trump can shake his head. Based on the level of seizures at the Northern vs Southern border, it isn't even close, 1000X at the Southern Border, and it's not the issue that needs to spark a trade war.

Using the same logic that Trump is applying, Canada can suggest that America do something about their guns coming into Canada.

If Trump is pissy about our utter lack Military spending, and getting a free ride under the American nuclear umbrella, I get that, and he should say so. Right now he has these Liberal shit bags running around like headless chickens throwing money all over the place and accomplishing zero.
Our useless wonder-boy leader cannot even get Trump to accept his calls FFS.
 
Well they've lost my support permanently. Wont be buying American ever again where possible. Look forward to saving and supporting Canadian.
 
It's not just the Canada/USA border, it's Canadian national security as a whole that is a concern to the USA. We might not have a lot of drug and people problems compared to the Mexican border, but the ones we do have are world class.

I'll throw out Bharat Masrani and TD banks 3B dollar fine for drug money laundering (levied by the US DOJ no less) , and the Vancouver Model as quick examples of the deep corruption that barely even make Canadian headlines.

And people? Canada has been developing an international reputation as a safe haven for terrorists for a while, and the vast majority of terrorists entering the US do so from Canada.

While Trump might just be using them as excuses, I believe they are entirely justifiable reasons.
 
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It's not just the Canada/USA border, it's Canadian national security as a whole that is a concern to the USA. We might not have a lot of drug and people problems compared to the Mexican border, but the ones we do have are world class.

I'll throw out Bharat Masrani and TD banks 3B dollar fine for drug money laundering (levied by the US DOJ no less) , and the Vancouver Model as quick examples of the deep corruption that barely even make Canadian headlines.

And people? Canada has been developing an international reputation as a safe haven for terrorists for a while, and the vast majority of terrorists entering the US do so from Canada.

While Trump might just be using them as excuses, I believe they are entirely justifiable reasons.
The US Savings & Loan scandal was World Class & devastated peoples lives but the people responsible received bonuses.
"the vast majority of terrorists entering the US do so from Canada." The 911 terrorists came from Saudi Arabia but no repercussions for the Saudis. The vast majority of US terrorism is perpetrated by Home Grown sources ... that's a fact!
One percent of illegals & fentanyl from Canada doesn't equal 25% terroriffs
 
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Anschluss.


While most of Canada would be none too happy, (would this trigger Article 5 of NATO??), could you imagine the truly spectacular and indignant outrage that would come from Quebec when Washington would not coddle and pamper them the way Ottawa does? It would almost be worth the price of admission.
 
It's not just the Canada/USA border, it's Canadian national security as a whole that is a concern to the USA. We might not have a lot of drug and people problems compared to the Mexican border, but the ones we do have are world class.

I'll throw out Bharat Masrani and TD banks 3B dollar fine for drug money laundering (levied by the US DOJ no less) , and the Vancouver Model as quick examples of the deep corruption that barely even make Canadian headlines.

And people? Canada has been developing an international reputation as a safe haven for terrorists for a while, and the vast majority of terrorists entering the US do so from Canada.

While Trump might just be using them as excuses, I believe they are entirely justifiable reasons.


I was entertaining your argument, until you said 'entirely justifiable reasons'. That is a bridge too far for me.
 
I was entertaining your argument, until you said 'entirely justifiable reasons'. That is a bridge too far for me.
I said "I believe" they're entirely justifiable
But I do agree they're actually excessive so I'll clarify what I mean.

Trump made clear that these border problems needed to be addressed, or he would apply tarrifs.
Trudeau hasn't done anything or even made a statement about these real border issues.
Either a lack of diplomacy, he called Trump's bluff and now Trump is playing his hand.
Or Trudeau is using the situation to galvanize Canadians behind his brand.

Either way, I believe Trump is justified in wanting action taken, and justified in following through with his initial threat. Did anyone really believe he was going to back down if Canada did nothing?
 
I said "I believe" they're entirely justifiable
But I do agree they're actually excessive so I'll clarify what I mean.

Trump made clear that these border problems needed to be addressed, or he would apply tarrifs.
Trudeau hasn't done anything or even made a statement about these real border issues.
Either a lack of diplomacy, he called Trump's bluff and now Trump is playing his hand.
Or Trudeau is using the situation to galvanize Canadians behind his brand.

Either way, I believe Trump is justified in wanting action taken, and justified in following through with his initial threat. Did anyone really believe he was going to back down if Canada did nothing?
Ahhh !.3 Billion was nothing - Canada could build a Wall across the entirety of our Border & Trump's response would be "Not high enough"
Why? because it isn't about anything you are claiming it is.
 
They’ve basically managed to tax the middle class and poor. They’ve also made the middle class and poor think it’s good. Now our government is doing the same with a counter tariffs….

This is just an inflationary tax being put on the consumer for more government spending on both sides.

I don’t believe anything is going to change, we will still trade with the US but the government is just getting a bigger piece of the action.
 
Ahhh !.3 Billion was nothing - Canada could build a Wall across the entirety of our Border & Trump's response would be "Not high enough"
Why? because it isn't about anything you are claiming it is.
If I'm hearing you correctly, you're saying that no matter what the response of our PM , you believe that trump would have implemented the tariffs anyway.

Colombia as a test case example, indicates otherwise.

I guess now we'll never know for sure,
but thanks for sharing your opinion of what you believe Trump would have done.
 
If I'm hearing you correctly, you're saying that no matter what the response of our PM , you believe that trump would have implemented the tariffs anyway.

Colombia as a test case example, indicates otherwise.

I guess now we'll never know for sure,
but thanks for sharing your opinion of what you believe Trump would have done.
Trump doesn't want to annex Columbia (at least not yet) he just wanted to land a plane
 
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