PED's healed my liver

Goldenrod

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OK - maybe not but there is some validity to that statement. Facts are facts.
I was not on PED's for years (over a decade) - didn't drink much or use drugs (including tylenol) and my liver went from mild to mild/moderate in the fatty liver score according to the gastroenterologist. My GGT was raised for years (5 or more) and my ALT and AST was high for months (can't remember exactly how long but it was 6 months or more) but the latter came down with time. I was diagnosed with mono and it attacked my liver. That is what started the damage and it never fully recovered.
For anyone who knows about fatty liver - it can benign and it can progress to cirrhosis and kill you. Mine was not moving in the right direction.

Most people here know I look after my health and take supplements. I write a lot about liver protection because I know what it is like to have an unhappy liver and I take liver protecting supplements because I am determined to heal that fucker. One of the few organs that can heal itself.

There is more to add to this but facts are facts:
I started test enanthate a few years ago on a TRT dose. Started adding in Primo at 100-300 mg per week (usually 150 mg) for an extended period and using BPC157 with a supplement regiment for my liver with regular (monthly) blood tests. Every time I tried a new compound I checked my enzymes, every time I added in a new supplement or substituted one I checked my liver enzymes (GGT, ALT, AST, Bilirubin, Total Protein, Albumin, and Globulin). I payed for a lot myself and was still getting doctor ordered tests every 6 months (the doctor's / gastroenterologist's requisition was more detailed and included more tests. If anyone cares - I can list them as I have a copy for my next blood draw. I have yearly ultrasounds on my abdomen to check the progression.

Anyway - the first positive was no negative impact on by CBC, liver, kidney, BP, etc. Second positive - after taking test/primo/script GH/BPC157 on a regular basis (with deca mixed in for 2 months max to help heal injuries) - for the first time in a very long time my GGT was back in normal range and the longer I continued with this regimen it was dropping.

I had my yearly ultrasound and the radiologist never mentioned any fatty infiltration. Possibly, they didn't comment because it didn't progress? No one was able to answer that question for me. I just had my yearly ultrasound completed and I made a point to request an update on the fatty liver - results were all clean and no fatty infiltration. Just had another extensive blood test and everything was great.

My goals are not the same as many here, I take PED's in moderation maxing out at 250 mg a week of combined compounds, health is a priority to me as you don't know shit about life until your health is taken from you and I'm not trying to be dramatic. If you live long enough - you will go through it with a loved one, yourself, or a friend.

I have figured out which supplements work best for me - they aren't the popular ones many take for protection with orals but again I'm using real data (blood tests and ultrasounds). Happy to list my regimen but I don't want to make this a dissertation and put people to sleep.

To say I have been pleasantly surprised with the results would be an understatement. Before this becomes a wall of words, I will shut it down but thought I would post this as I know some guys here and other forums who have fatty liver and I can guarantee there are a lot of people walking around with it and have no idea and never will until they need an abdominal ultrasound / MRI / CT scan.

Later,
GR
 
Brother I feel you! My health is real priority. I nearly lost my life and had it dramatically changed forever few years back.

Few really understand the impact it had on my life.

While I have not been diagnosed with fatty liver disease I have a blood borne virus Hep C contracted in the 70's.

My liver is generally unhappy with me. Keeping my ALT/SLT in the normal range is an ongoing challenge. Referrals for the specialists I should see take years in BC. Also, apparently I am not sick enough to warrant a referral.

I muddle along as best I can. My interest is in the use of BPC 157. How much, how often and length of cycle.
 
Brother I feel you! My health is real priority. I nearly lost my life and had it dramatically changed forever few years back.

Few really understand the impact it had on my life.

While I have not been diagnosed with fatty liver disease I have a blood borne virus Hep C contracted in the 70's.

My liver is generally unhappy with me. Keeping my ALT/SLT in the normal range is an ongoing challenge. Referrals for the specialists I should see take years in BC. Also, apparently I am not sick enough to warrant a referral.

I muddle along as best I can. My interest is in the use of BPC 157. How much, how often and length of cycle.
There is some evidence that BPC (body protection compound) 157 protects your organs. Unless I'm losing my mind I am sure I read it is being investigated in organ transplants. There are some preliminary info on its ability to help your liver.
I took NCRP BPC157 for probably a year straight. I was trying to heal injuries 1 by 1 and discovered 1 subQ injection of 1000 mcg's was best for me for injuries. I suspect the liver healing was just a bonus and not what I expected. I didn't take 1000mcg's every day. I experimented with 250, 500 but found 1000 was best for acute injuries.
I tried twice a day in lower dosages and it wasn't any better. My ortho who is a professional powerlifter says it is one of the most benign (safe) compounds to use.

If you are taking it for a stubborn injury - I wouldn't keep taking it if I didn't see any improvement in 2-3 months. If I was taking it for overall healing/health benefits, I would most likely just take 250 mcg's a day. With a 10 mg vial that will last you 40 days. Some people say after mixed with bac water it is only good for 30 days in the fridge but I have used it on myself and my dogs many times past 30 days. I keep it at the back of the fridge.

I am not 100% sure what healed my liver but through elimination I came up with 3-5 main supplements and BPC157. Just one person's opinion - guarantee there are people who know more than I do about peps.

You probably know this but there is a cure for Hep C - previously I think they just tried to manage it. Not sure if it is for everyone but the last I read it was a medication taken daily over an extended period and it kills the virus.

Hope your liver keeps healthy.
 
Please list your liver protocol if you would be so kind.

So if one has fatty liver, would it show up on CT scan and ultrasound testing easily?
What other tests can i do to check fatty liver?
I just had CT scan and ultrasounds done as i had a semi blockage of GI due to severe dehydration FFS. Anyway, all good now, but if there was an issue, would ab ct scan and ultrasound show the issue?
What other sides does one get with the issue?
 
Please list your liver protocol if you would be so kind.

So if one has fatty liver, would it show up on CT scan and ultrasound testing easily?
What other tests can i do to check fatty liver?
I just had CT scan and ultrasounds done as i had a semi blockage of GI due to severe dehydration FFS. Anyway, all good now, but if there was an issue, would ab ct scan and ultrasound show the issue?
What other sides does one get with the issue?
It is pretty basic for my liver - morning I take a good sized chunk of raw ginger and peel it and eat it, 420 mg of phosphatidyl choline, and 400 mg of sam-e. I do the same in the evening except I substitute the raw ginger for a tablespoon of powdered ginger.
I also take 10 mg of dual action melatonin each night - surprisingly it did better than NAC and high dose vitamin e in studies for acetaminophen poisoning.
I took NCRP BPC157 for a year straight and afterwards for short periods. I am not taking it any longer but no doubt will start again in the future.

There are other liver supplements I like but the aforementioned is a daily routine - NAC, alpha lipoic acid, a quality digestive enzyme like Wobenzyme or betain. I don't take any of these year round but will throw one in for a few months and then stop or rotate it for another. Now that my liver is doing well I will most likely just stick with my daily routine. I don't think anyone necessarily needs to take the 4 I first mentioned unless they are trying to heal their liver or protect it from liver toxic substances.
I try to boost my glutathione and reduce inflammation.

I take a few other supplements but not specifically for my liver - Blood pressure I use Nigella Sativa (is also an anti-inflammatory) and ubiquinol/Q10, for aches and pains I have used oral curcumin and like INNO's curcuject. Did these help my liver - not sure.
Sounds like a lot but ginger and melatonin is cheap, Sam-e in the US is very reasonable, and a bottle of PC lasts me a long time.

Wobenzyme is almost as good as an IBUprofen if taken away from meals. It is a great anti-inflammatory and my vet even recommends it over meloxicam for my dogs. If taken before meals or shortly after, it will be used to improve digestion.

This is what worked for me - some people swear by Tudca but it didn't work for me. I'm sure there are other products that work for others too.

The only way to diagnose a fatty liver is with a scan - CT scan, MRI or ultrasound. If there is another method - I don't know about it. If you had a full abdominal ultrasound and CT scan they would most likely tell you if you had fatty infiltration. If the docs were only scanning a specific part of your abdomen/looking for a specific problem, they may not view your liver. You can ask the doctor if the test viewed your liver. When I was being explored for abdominal pain - they checked my liver, kidneys, gallbladder, pancreas, etc.

Your question on symptoms - some people don't have any and in my case I had bad pain in my upper right area of my stomach and eventually it went away and then came back as a dull pain as the mono subsided.
Depending on the extend of the fat build up / damage - you could have elevated liver enzymes (once I got over the mono, it was just my GGT that stayed elevated for years), white stools, dark urine, jaundice, etc. It is considered a fairly benign issue. Most doctors don't do anything for it but I decided to treat it because it progressed from mild to mild/moderate fairly quickly.

Sorry for the long response Ironwill.
 
It is pretty basic for my liver - morning I take a good sized chunk of raw ginger and peel it and eat it, 420 mg of phosphatidyl choline, and 400 mg of sam-e. I do the same in the evening except I substitute the raw ginger for a tablespoon of powdered ginger.
I also take 10 mg of dual action melatonin each night - surprisingly it did better than NAC and high dose vitamin e in studies for acetaminophen poisoning.
I took NCRP BPC157 for a year straight and afterwards for short periods. I am not taking it any longer but no doubt will start again in the future.

There are other liver supplements I like but the aforementioned is a daily routine - NAC, alpha lipoic acid, a quality digestive enzyme like Wobenzyme or betain. I don't take any of these year round but will throw one in for a few months and then stop or rotate it for another. Now that my liver is doing well I will most likely just stick with my daily routine. I don't think anyone necessarily needs to take the 4 I first mentioned unless they are trying to heal their liver or protect it from liver toxic substances.
I try to boost my glutathione and reduce inflammation.

I take a few other supplements but not specifically for my liver - Blood pressure I use Nigella Sativa (is also an anti-inflammatory) and ubiquinol/Q10, for aches and pains I have used oral curcumin and like INNO's curcuject. Did these help my liver - not sure.
Sounds like a lot but ginger and melatonin is cheap, Sam-e in the US is very reasonable, and a bottle of PC lasts me a long time.

Wobenzyme is almost as good as an IBUprofen if taken away from meals. It is a great anti-inflammatory and my vet even recommends it over meloxicam for my dogs. If taken before meals or shortly after, it will be used to improve digestion.

This is what worked for me - some people swear by Tudca but it didn't work for me. I'm sure there are other products that work for others too.

The only way to diagnose a fatty liver is with a scan - CT scan, MRI or ultrasound. If there is another method - I don't know about it. If you had a full abdominal ultrasound and CT scan they would most likely tell you if you had fatty infiltration. If the docs were only scanning a specific part of your abdomen/looking for a specific problem, they may not view your liver. You can ask the doctor if the test viewed your liver. When I was being explored for abdominal pain - they checked my liver, kidneys, gallbladder, pancreas, etc.

Your question on symptoms - some people don't have any and in my case I had bad pain in my upper right area of my stomach and eventually it went away and then came back as a dull pain as the mono subsided.
Depending on the extend of the fat build up / damage - you could have elevated liver enzymes (once I got over the mono, it was just my GGT that stayed elevated for years), white stools, dark urine, jaundice, etc. It is considered a fairly benign issue. Most doctors don't do anything for it but I decided to treat it because it progressed from mild to mild/moderate fairly quickly.

Sorry for the long response Ironwill.
Thank-you GR, no need to apologize for quality writing brother...Thats great!!
 
I had liver, kidneys, pancreas etc. everything from top of lungs to pelvic bone area, all was great except some slight thickening in one area of GI in Colon. Going for bum scope next week, but i am sure it will be all ok.
 
I wonder if part of your liver recovery was diet related?
Could be but I really just eat more than I did before when I'm training hard. I have always been a healthy eater. Obviously, I was being sarcastic about PED's healing my liver but it is ironic when my liver should be more stressed my enzymes finally came back to a good range and my liver regenerated.
I will never know but I am pretty sure BPC157 and a few of the supplements did the majority of it but who knows.
 
Could be but I really just eat more than I did before when I'm training hard. I have always been a healthy eater. Obviously, I was being sarcastic about PED's healing my liver but it is ironic when my liver should be more stressed my enzymes finally came back to a good range and my liver regenerated.
I will never know but I am pretty sure BPC157 and a few of the supplements did the majority of it but who knows.
Its not ironic. PED's and peptides do work, and I just don't understand why our medical system is so scared of using them, considering they are likely far safer than other alternatives. Maybe profits??

That's great though that you were able to fix your issue.
 
I had liver, kidneys, pancreas etc. everything from top of lungs to pelvic bone area, all was great except some slight thickening in one area of GI in Colon. Going for bum scope next week, but i am sure it will be all ok.
Make sure you take your fibre and don't push hard when pooping, or you could get diverticulisis. You don't want that. (just speculating with the colon thickness, still good advice though)
A useful piece of information, if you think you are going to get constipated, take 25 mg of cialis. Works great without the sides of a stool softner and such. I don't know why it works, maybe something about the relaxing of blood linings and maybe since your colon is so enriched with blood linings that it causes movement and relaxation and increases movement??
 
Make sure you take your fibre and don't push hard when pooping, or you could get diverticulisis. You don't want that. (just speculating with the colon thickness, still good advice though)
A useful piece of information, if you think you are going to get constipated, take 25 mg of cialis. Works great without the sides of a stool softner and such. I don't know why it works, maybe something about the relaxing of blood linings and maybe since your colon is so enriched with blood linings that it causes movement and relaxation and increases movement??
Yup, i do everything brother, my issue is chronic dehydration. I am missing a gene that tells your body it is thirsty, so Fiber is the enemy in this scenario, you want processed food like white rice, white sourdough bread, stuff like that. Fiber in a dehydrated gut is very bad news.
I often mistake thirst for hunger, I've had this since i was born, drove my mom nuts a a toddler.
Anyway, thickening is typical of colitis Diverticulosis is little pouches that cause capture of food and seeds etc that will create an infection called diverticulitis. Bad news scenario.

Interesting tid bit on cialis, although it wont help me when i get dehydrated, its interesting to know. I know guys that take it when on the snow train, and they poop, but not from cialis, or maybe it is? LOL..
Anyway, thanks for chiming in brother, good advice, its just a simple thing for me, and i am in control, i am setting alarms to drink water and electrolytes frequently and am back to 100%. Until next time...lol..
 
Yup, i do everything brother, my issue is chronic dehydration. I am missing a gene that tells your body it is thirsty, so Fiber is the enemy in this scenario, you want processed food like white rice, white sourdough bread, stuff like that. Fiber in a dehydrated gut is very bad news.
I often mistake thirst for hunger, I've had this since i was born, drove my mom nuts a a toddler.
Anyway, thickening is typical of colitis Diverticulosis is little pouches that cause capture of food and seeds etc that will create an infection called diverticulitis. Bad news scenario.

Interesting tid bit on cialis, although it wont help me when i get dehydrated, its interesting to know. I know guys that take it when on the snow train, and they poop, but not from cialis, or maybe it is? LOL..
Anyway, thanks for chiming in brother, good advice, its just a simple thing for me, and i am in control, i am setting alarms to drink water and electrolytes frequently and am back to 100%. Until next time...lol..
My mom is like you, can’t take fiber. She is dehydrated too much also.

I thought you knew, I had 10” of my large colon removed because of diverticulitis. I had numerous colon infections, 3 times in the hospital on IV antibiotics. I had it repaired 3 years ago this Feburary. It cost me 20 lbs of muscle and the year after surgery I had to watch my diet. You colon is all screwed up for a year until it relearns its function. It’s like potty training all over again, lol. Best part was 6 months after anytime I lifted anything really heavy, I felt like I had to pee right after I set the weight down, lol.
Towards the end the colon was so constricted from all the scar tissue, that I had to take restorlax to soften it, and fibre to make it a consistancy that my body was able to pass. Otherwise I was pretty much always in pain, like stabbing, aching pain.
Gh offered some relief when it flared and was really inflamed.

Be cautious, even after surgery you are not perfect. You don’t get infections, but can still get colon flares from where they reattached your colon back together after they remove the bad part.

I really try hard not to dehydrate anymore. But anytime I see threads like yours, I try to warn people, lol.
 
My mom is like you, can’t take fiber. She is dehydrated too much also.

I thought you knew, I had 10” of my large colon removed because of diverticulitis. I had numerous colon infections, 3 times in the hospital on IV antibiotics. I had it repaired 3 years ago this Feburary. It cost me 20 lbs of muscle and the year after surgery I had to watch my diet. You colon is all screwed up for a year until it relearns its function. It’s like potty training all over again, lol. Best part was 6 months after anytime I lifted anything really heavy, I felt like I had to pee right after I set the weight down, lol.
Towards the end the colon was so constricted from all the scar tissue, that I had to take restorlax to soften it, and fibre to make it a consistancy that my body was able to pass. Otherwise I was pretty much always in pain, like stabbing, aching pain.
Gh offered some relief when it flared and was really inflamed.

Be cautious, even after surgery you are not perfect. You don’t get infections, but can still get colon flares from where they reattached your colon back together after they remove the bad part.

I really try hard not to dehydrate anymore. But anytime I see threads like yours, I try to warn people, lol.
I had no clue man, thanks for sharing.
I believe i wont require surgery, ill know for certain after bum scope, but it appears i need to ensure i am compliant moving forward, or i may end up with deeper issues. I think it has not progressed or created a permanent situation at present, but it will if i don't get into staying hydrated.

That's a tough damn thing you went through, kudos to you brother, and back at it thereafter, a man after me own heart....lol...I never say die either, I'm too damn stubborn, and i know what it takes to get to the level we are at body wise and careerwise, so ill never give up and always try and remain strong, in character and in presence.
 
I had no clue man, thanks for sharing.
I believe i wont require surgery, ill know for certain after bum scope, but it appears i need to ensure i am compliant moving forward, or i may end up with deeper issues. I think it has not progressed or created a permanent situation at present, but it will if i don't get into staying hydrated.

That's a tough damn thing you went through, kudos to you brother, and back at it thereafter, a man after me own heart....lol...I never say die either, I'm too damn stubborn, and i know what it takes to get to the level we are at body wise and careerwise, so ill never give up and always try and remain strong, in character and in presence.
First thing is if you sit to poop, and if you need to push with any amount of effort, stand up and walk away. I know you may feel like you need to go, but you don't. And no anavar. Everytime I got a colon infection I was on anavar. I have no idea why, but 3 times it too coincidental.

Now if I was like you with mainly just a colon thickness, I would try bpc157. Drink 500 mcg a day and inject 500 mcg a day for like a month. I know has been proven to heal the colon. It may not get rid of the pouches, but if it may help with the thickness and so on. Gh helps with the flares if you are getting them already (you know when your gut hurts. I did 1 iu before bed, 1 iu in morning then 1 iu at night and it would clear by the next day. gh is great at colon healing/inflamation.

Another trick I used was digestive enzymes with every meal, especially if you cant take fibre.

BTW, you would know if you need surgery, lol. Also, if you need surgery, don't get concerned. It is a very common operation, even though it is major surgery. I was back to work 6 hour days in a week, in Cuba 16 days later. I was not near perfect condition, but it was manageable. Then it took my colon about a year to learn to hold the feces again, because they remove the part that does that. But its pretty amazing and will regrow the nerves needed to signal when you have to go, plus will learn to stop contracting so you don't need to go as often. This you need to reteach your colon, just like you did the first time when you were being potty trained.

Hey you got any questions, just pm
 
Yeah, i was in the hospital for a full week...Iv and good times, kidney stone and gut issues, that is pain like nothing else, and i have had a lot of pains and injuries, my word.....
I would suspect id know if i need surgery, but the docs and specialists still do not know, so i don't know either...

I take gh year round pretty much,
Glutamine is excellent for gut healing also.
I will be all good, just need to heal and stay hydrated and keep guts clear for awhile...Positive vibing...
At least it happened when off cycle break for once, usually i am just about to peak or hit a PR in physique goal and something happens beyond my control...
Anavar has no issues with me, i actually do better while on it and issues with my gut, i poop better, digest better etc. Flat stomach and zero bloating.
Dbol gives me bloating, hard digestion, acid reflux etc, gut inflammations, no infections, but not good with me..
 
Yeah, i was in the hospital for a full week...Iv and good times, kidney stone and gut issues, that is pain like nothing else, and i have had a lot of pains and injuries, my word.....
I would suspect id know if i need surgery, but the docs and specialists still do not know, so i don't know either...

I take gh year round pretty much,
Glutamine is excellent for gut healing also.
I will be all good, just need to heal and stay hydrated and keep guts clear for awhile...Positive vibing...
At least it happened when off cycle break for once, usually i am just about to peak or hit a PR in physique goal and something happens beyond my control...
Anavar has no issues with me, i actually do better while on it and issues with my gut, i poop better, digest better etc. Flat stomach and zero bloating.
Dbol gives me bloating, hard digestion, acid reflux etc, gut inflammations, no infections, but not good with me..
Good luck. Having gut issues suck.

Sometimes i would only drink protein powder and water and suck on hard candies thru out the day and Gatorade for carbs. I'd do that for a couple days and let my guts heal.
 
Good luck. Having gut issues suck.

Sometimes i would only drink protein powder and water and suck on hard candies thru out the day and Gatorade for carbs. I'd do that for a couple days and let my guts heal.
i got chicken broth and ice cubes for damn near a week....FML, i didn't lose much weight though, thankfully it was only a week. I am off cycle, but the rebound i had when i started eating again, painfull pumps almost, in a great way....
Next cycle starts soon and godamn i cannot wait.....its always a gooder after taking a few months break and maintaining with hard work and diet. But then next level several weeks later...boom...
 
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