Ontario lockdown

Taureau

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We went from crazy to insane

Told to stay home except for doctors and groceries is nuts.

I am at a loss for words. I'm floored by this.

Facing possibly a year in jail for violating the order. Makes me want to drive my 2 seater. It can reach 300kph. I have had her up to 280kph. Driving her no cop is going to catch me.
 

NovaScotiaMan

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We went from crazy to insane

Told to stay home except for doctors and groceries is nuts.

I am at a loss for words. I'm floored by this.

Facing possibly a year in jail for violating the order. Makes me want to drive my 2 seater. It can reach 300kph. I have had her up to 280kph. Driving her no cop is going to catch me.
I just seen it on the news what there doing to you guys up there they are taking to many god given rights away and Ford is Willy to go even farther wow
 

Twoskinny

Active member
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I’m ready to snap. This is crazy. What’s more crazy is how it’s being welcomed by so many sheep.

I do know that I will hold off of the tren I just received yesterday. Can’t afford being paranoid or edgy during this time.

actually looking at changing my driver’s license address to my cottage so I can still get away .....legally
 

Sorbate

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As far as I can tell it will be like the first shutdown. No new construction unless essential like government work.
The stay home order is so easy to get around it’s a hollow threat. They pull you over. I’m going to shoppers to get immodium because I’m pooping myself to death.
There problem solved. I doubt the police will follow you around.
Plus us old people only do essential things.
Last time I was roaming the streets looking for trouble was when I was young.

My only consern is that they talk about more inspections to make sure we are following proper policies for our staff.
That could open up a whole can of bullshit. On one hand the minister of agriculture says do whatever you have to, keep the supply chain going, then I’ll have another group come in and chop me off at the knees.
But I’ll worry about that when it happens. They will have their hands full in the GTA. Our cases are really low.

Anyhow I don’t know what to believe. Is Covid really that bad? We pretty much have the same deaths as last year, just in a different column.
Plus even if there will be more deaths, do you want more deaths now, or later when our economy is flattened?

If what they say about the immunity only lasting 90 days, well then is this they way to go about things. We will never be rid of this virus because herd immunity will never be achieved.

Honestly if people were nit so fucking unhealthy, covid would likely have been a blip, IMO.
 

OmegaBravo7

Active member
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We went from crazy to insane

Told to stay home except for doctors and groceries is nuts.

I am at a loss for words. I'm floored by this.

Facing possibly a year in jail for violating the order. Makes me want to drive my 2 seater. It can reach 300kph. I have had her up to 280kph. Driving her no cop is going to catch me.

That’s crazy. Yesterday Ford said he’s not for a police state and doesn’t believe in curfews. Today Ontario said “police and bylaw officers will have the power to enforce the stay-at-home order and issue tickets to rule-breakers”.
What’s up with the hypocrisy
 

DeezNutz

Well-known member
Trusted Member
I’m ready to snap. This is crazy. What’s more crazy is how it’s being welcomed by so many sheep.

I do know that I will hold off of the tren I just received yesterday. Can’t afford being paranoid or edgy during this time.

actually looking at changing my driver’s license address to my cottage so I can still get away .....legally
Call me a fucking sheep then!

Until you've lost a family member from COVID and/or have one in the ICU about to become a number, please mind your words.

I hate this bullshit. I lost a high-paying job/career because of it and after, started a business that was trending upward - all has been halted again. I don't want this shit, but I sure as fuck don't want any more deaths around me because I didn't take the necessary precautions to keep my loved one's safe. Take your QAnnon shit, shove it in your pin and push the plunger.
 

musclememory

The Grand Poobah
Ya definitely tired of this. Not being able to get together with your loved ones is tough. Especially when they are dying, as my sister currently it. Is it worse than a normal year? To be honest its hard to compare the two. Since they have altered the natural progression of Covid with lock downs, masks, social distancing, along with the never ending hand washing, its impossible to compare previous years to this as we did none of those preventive measures in other years. Would the death toll be higher if we did none of these things? I'd have to think it would be. Not looking forward to another wasted year.
 

Sorbate

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Ya definitely tired of this. Not being able to get together with your loved ones is tough. Especially when they are dying, as my sister currently it. Is it worse than a normal year? To be honest its hard to compare the two. Since they have altered the natural progression of Covid with lock downs, masks, social distancing, along with the never ending hand washing, its impossible to compare previous years to this as we did none of those preventive measures in other years. Would the death toll be higher if we did none of these things? I'd have to think it would be. Not looking forward to another wasted year.
Wait till the new variant hits. Unless they lock us in our houses forever and deliver rations to us for years it will spread.
They should be preparing while they have restrictions.
And I’d bet the deaths would have been higher without restrictions, just common sense will tell you that.
Mind you I still think other causes are being attributed to covid, but it’s not fake.
 

Twoskinny

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Call me a fucking sheep then!

Until you've lost a family member from COVID and/or have one in the ICU about to become a number, please mind your words.

I hate this bullshit. I lost a high-paying job/career because of it and after, started a business that was trending upward - all has been halted again. I don't want this shit, but I sure as fuck don't want any more deaths around me because I didn't take the necessary precautions to keep my loved one's safe. Take your QAnnon shit, shove it in your pin and push the plunger.
Baaa baaa
 

biguglynewf

Moderator
A year in jail? Are they trying to get a repeat of the states this last week. Jesus fuck
It’s fear mongering. No enforcement officer (outside of the dipshits with inferiority complexes) will be chasing this at all. Lol. Saying that, there will be more than a few covid warriors.

If you look at the province’s current explanation of what is considered essential it’s a long list of baffle gab that includes things like the province of Ontario can not determine what is and what isn’t essential for people. It’s on the Ontario website and I’m sure more will come.

bottom line... don’t host a rave and you will probably be ok. If you have twat covid warrior neighbours obviously be wary about having anyone over. Remember law enforcement have to look into things if they have been called.

Be nice. Even if you don’t want to be. Chances are.... they think it’s bullshit as well. So nice will probably go a very long way.
They still cannot enter your home without warrant or if invited in under these circumstances. There are measures which allow for entry if they believe a crime is being committed. 6 people over to watch the football playoffs doesn’t qualify for this. Although it is possible that if you get a covid warrior they may think that.

If they come in uninvited I would record what I could either by phone or notes or what was available. Stay calm and don’t fight with them. That leads to more troubles.

Under these circumstances......

ARGUMENTS ARE FOR COURTROOMS

PERIOD

To be clear and I will say it below informed calm well articulated challenge is not arguing. Engaging the officer in explaining themselves is gold sometimes. Record what the day if possible. It’s great evidence if needed. Smart ones, confident ones won’t say much. Unsure ones will say all kinds of interesting things. The point is stay calm and pointed and informed. Nothing drives them more crazy than that. Enforcement 101 is to get people emotional and talking and angry. A person in that mindset inst thinking and if you’re not thinking you are at a disadvantage.

Too much arguing in the event can get you into other trouble and potentially give more grounds for arrest and potent

if you are out and about and don’t want extreme hassle. Think about the reasons as to why you are out and how they could be deemed essential. Mental health is being considered as an issue as you will see in the information set out by the province. If you get stopped by a covid warrior while out and about.... again don’t argue. Again....Arguments are for court and you will win if you are thinking and can record the interaction reasonably well do you can recall the events clearly.

so.....

don’t host a rave

don’t invite people into your house if you don’t want them there.

Be careful in how you answer questions. dont answer questions you don’t have to answer however know the ones you do have to answer.

provincial offences are much different than criminal. Freedoms officers have to investigate are largely different and have to be much more above board.

don’t argue. Informed challenge is not arguing. When I’m saying don’t argue, I’m basically saying don’t be a cunt. Cunt rarely works. Sometimes if you are a really smart cunt.... but not very often.

Go out with purpose and if enquired upon be able to articulate as to why your adventures are essential to you. Give it all some thought.

take good notes or records of interactions if you might need them for later (ie court)

if you do get a ticket. ALWAYS select the box that you wish to take a trial. Attend the first appearance and make no deals with anyone until you receive disclosure from the crown. That is you right. At the end of it always makes sense to at least request the evidence against you before you decide. Because the courts are so jammed even if it does goes to trial a decent deal will be on the table from the overloaded crown. If you don’t like that one you can always tell the justice that you want to plead but can’t afford what the crown is offering. If you can afford some reasoning to this the court is always sympathetic. It will usually drop the fine to half-ish of what the crown offered. But again.... not if you are being a cunt. Never ever piss a justice off.

the fact of the matter is the courts are terribly behind. So much so that I doubt that many of these will ever be heard and will be tossed.

so folks. Yes this is all fucking crazy. However I believe the overall intentions are to more send the message to stop partying like it’s 1999. I’m not exactly sure as to what the ICU’s actually look like but there is much worry about the healthcare system and it is important that it doesn’t become more over burdened than it already is (Pre covid - we forget hallway medicine wasn’t coined in 2019-20).

And if you are smart and plan, you will successfully navigate any law enforcement interactions you may experience. But if you do get a covid warrior.... don’t be a cunt. Informed challenge? Sure. Cunt no. Even if they are a cunt. And save that argument for court.

A good portion of someone who is going to issue a ticket under this Act have probably never been on a stand. So I would relish the opportunity to completely fuck their world and embarrass them on a cross examination as a member of the public with less expectation of follow courtroom rules or etiquette by a probably sympathetic justice.

saying that. If you want to truly challenge and argue because it violates your rights.... I applaud you..... however good luck. If you want to take that on there may be better ways to do so. Either way..... you’re going to want a very good professional for that and still.... don’t do anything to fuck up their defence strategy.
 

superbeast

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Trusted Member
My guess is most charges will be because either the citizen or cop will escalate the situation when the is confrontation. If you get a fine, smile and say see you in court. Gotta remember most cops are pussies. Start stepping on their ego and they will cry like bitches and next thing start screaming their catch phrase “stop resisting” call their buddies, beat you, then charge you with assault. They crave power and authority. Dont give it to them.
 

musclememory

The Grand Poobah
Hopefully we don't get this kind of thing happening in Ontario like it did in Quebec. Essential workers with letters from their employers were still fined for being out during curfew hours...ie they were waiting for a bus to go home. This kind of thing is why I dont believe anything should be left up to enforcment to make judgement calls. I should all be laid out black and white. To many people, regardless of their jobs, have absolutely ZERO common sense.

 

Jaggard

New member
Manitoba has been locked down for over a month. We’re all getting real sick of it. We snuck a few friends over for a few hours Xmas eve and were made to feel like we were criminals. My buddy was photographed by enforcement officers at city park to see if he was passing people too close along trails. I’m not an extremist at all but I’m starting to feel like things have gone too far here. Meanwhile I travel to Minnesota on freight train and gyms, restaurants and bars open again, wearing masks but no mass panic
 

nh3master

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Manitoba has been locked down for over a month. We’re all getting real sick of it. We snuck a few friends over for a few hours Xmas eve and were made to feel like we were criminals. My buddy was photographed by enforcement officers at city park to see if he was passing people too close along trails. I’m not an extremist at all but I’m starting to feel like things have gone too far here. Meanwhile I travel to Minnesota on freight train and gyms, restaurants and bars open again, wearing masks but no mass panic
Amen to that.. toban
 
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