Keeping libido high on a low dose cruise

That's not even the worst part, the worst part is how bad it is for your liver.... Long term tamoxifen use has been associated with development of fatty liver, steatohepatitis, cirrhosis, and rare instances of clinically apparent acute liver injury.

I'll be posting a thread about using Toremifene as opposed to Nolvadex while on cycle.

Better for the liver, has been seen to have a positive effect on prostate health and can be used for months on end.

Can also maintain Virility and LH etc while blasting.

Worth a look!
 
Have you tried daily Or every other day 10mg cialis? I find this boosts my libido . Plus you’re always ready to go!
 
Has anyone taken small amounts of nolva during their trt? I had some extra kicking around, and after my week and a half break I decided to take all of 1/4 tab daily. Mainly I took it b/c I'm taking Ralox, so I thought, might as well use it, but one thing I did notice, noticeable libido improvement. As in, I was good to go several times a day, and in the mornings I had to lean forward to piss it was so damned hard.

I realize long term use of a serm isn't wise, but that brings me back to HCG. Does anyone use HCG as part of their HRT? I may start a separate thread for this topic.
 
If its maintaining testes size, Virility and libido, HMG or HCG (watch those estrogen peaks)

If just libido, pop some Proviron,
Makes your cruise work harder for you, controls E and at 50mg per day, you will get hard as steel from the wind blowing by you.
I run Proviron almost every cycle now!

Regards
SonOfOdin
 
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My libido get better the less i take. I swear the better i look, the less i wanna fuck. Probably a good thing
Same. I've read about a protocol of 50mg test, 200 deca, which sounds interesting but I'm still very much learning.
 
I run Proviron almost every cycle now!

Regards
SonOfOdin
Last time I ran proviron my estrogen spiked. My weekly AI use became daily, then doubled again. For a few days I was taking 25mg of aromasin daily. And, can't take Deca, well, I can, and it works great, but since it has a higher binding affinity for androgen receptors, that left more test floating around, which again resulted in higher E2. Many times in my life I've had the KISS principle tossed at me, so I do my best to keep it simple.

The other issue with proviron is that with higher free E2 you are putting your prostate at risk. Well all know Pro doesn't aromatize, but it lowers shbg, which allows a greater % of free test, which increases aromatization. Using heavier doses of an AI doesn't fix the problem as eliminating aromatase means that you are then waiting for your body to naturally excrete the excess FT. SHBG requires E2, so that too will remain low.
All that being said, my shbg rebounded quite quickly, and E2 normalized. It was about 3 weeks or so of figuring out what was going on, then dealing with it before all is back to normal.

That small bit of nolva had me feeling great, all around. I have felt great on low dose cruise in the past, however, I never had the same libido effects, which leaves a thought rattling around that a small bit of HCG could be that missing difference. IMO, it doesn't make sense to have to take another AAS, when it's a hormonal imbalance in the first place. It would allow me to lower my weekly test dose as well.
 
I'll be posting a thread about using Toremifene as opposed to Nolvadex while on cycle.

Better for the liver, has been seen to have a positive effect on prostate health and can be used for months on end.

Can also maintain Virility and LH etc while blasting.

Worth a look!


here are the side effects of Toremifene.

" hot flashes, sweating, nausea, vomiting, dizziness, vaginal discharge, and vaginal bleeding. It can also cause blood clots, irregular heartbeat, cataracts, visual disturbances, elevated liver enzymes, endometrial hyperplasia, and endometrial cancer."


Personally that vaginal discharge, and vaginal bleeding scares me. I do not have one but hate when they bleed and hate a nasty vag :)
 
here are the side effects of Toremifene.

" hot flashes, sweating, nausea, vomiting, dizziness, vaginal discharge, and vaginal bleeding. It can also cause blood clots, irregular heartbeat, cataracts, visual disturbances, elevated liver enzymes, endometrial hyperplasia, and endometrial cancer."


Personally that vaginal discharge, and vaginal bleeding scares me. I do not have one but hate when they bleed and hate a nasty vag :)
Those side effects sound worse than the benefits. Does that mean I could have bleeding from elsewhere? lol Not keen on clotting issues, heart issues, or anything which could mess up my eyes.

I'll stick with trt, and if need be have a chat with my endo about hcg. Gonna follow that kiss principle.

Nolva isn't the answer either, I recognize that. Thanks for the info.
 
Having just tried caber for the first time it gets my #1 vote.

Can't wait to get some more.

How much caber did you try? I find it helps with the anorgasmia from deca but not with the ED, still need cialis for that. I'm taking .25 2x week.
 
@Nixter

You sure the anorgasmia isn't caused by the Cialis? I usually give up after I start seeing blood... Can't even make it happen myself. Beyond frustrating.

I've had the best luck with proviron, B6 (like, 1500mg a day on "the day" in 3 split doses), a 1/4 "light" nicotine patch (NO smoking - you want blood flow people, Nicotine estrogen without the "oh shit, I'm seeing someone tomorrow - better crush my E2 with Adex so I can't dream of getting it up - unless being teased is your thing, you dirty, dirty person), yohimbine, Taurine and any other vasodilator I can get my hands on. The Nicotine thing, requires that you have good E2/prolactin control to begin with, and I swear by B6 (the cheaper one) and 5mg Aromasin E3D. I'll also rock 2.5mg Cialis E2d, but that's mainly for a heart thing (poor vascular output, these days, despite a great coronary angiogram, and no muscle/tissue damage.

Marijuana helps relax veins, and aids in bloodflow... But I hate getting intimate while baked, I get... Judgemental, quiet and awkward. And - that's not me. DNP is a power vasodilator, and the women love how warm you are in the winter.

NO Vasoconstrictors at all that day. That means Caffeine, 3FPM, Methamphetamine, Pre workouts - whatever floats your boat... This is especially true of cigarettes!!! All will reduce bloodflow to your junk. Yes, PDE5 inhibitors help a bit. I've gone up to 20mg insufflated (Google it, Tadalafil has a higher onset of action and BA when insufflated, and it smells lovely TBH - Tadalafil is nearly insoluble in 10c water (you lose 1 ug/ml) so it's easy to Crush an order up, extract all the bad things (binders, starches) using a pipette,or separatory funnel. Filter through cotton and fine grit (800g) silicon dioxide sand. Dry in a pyrex dish (slowly if you want some sexy crystals(and scrape. Use a mg scale if you have one, or do the "10 pills = ~xpiles method".

I made the mistake of mixing a 150mg Tren-E/250mg Test-E /wk cycle with Yohimbine and DNP. Yeah. Don't. that "4 hour rule" is adorable. I paid my ex at the time (in sushi and jewelry, cmon - there's other women for that) to basically roll over and deal with me for over 6 hours.
 
Little late to the thread but proviron works for me and added to most cycles. For libido the lowered SHBG and mild AI effects works for me
 
here are the side effects of Toremifene.

Personally that vaginal discharge, and vaginal bleeding scares me. I do not have one but hate when they bleed and hate a nasty vag :)
Awww baby, we can work through it though! I'll never do you wrong. If you need more maxi pads, I'll go out to the store for you and even drive all the way out to costco for the 192 pack! As for the discharge, we'll just get some nice feminine wipes and we can clean that up just fine.

There's no reason you and I can't have a full and complete life with your nasty vagina.
 
here are the side effects of Toremifene.

" hot flashes, sweating, nausea, vomiting, dizziness, vaginal discharge, and vaginal bleeding. It can also cause blood clots, irregular heartbeat, cataracts, visual disturbances, elevated liver enzymes, endometrial hyperplasia, and endometrial cancer."


Personally that vaginal discharge, and vaginal bleeding scares me. I do not have one but hate when they bleed and hate a nasty vag :)
Eh, what's a little bleeding vaginal discharge between friends? Wouldn't be the worst situation I've gotten myself into.

ON topic: Great success with HCG @ 250ui e3.5d and 0.1mg Cabergoline E3.5d. Prop on hand for the nights you really, really need it, aha. No issues down to 100mg T-E E2wks. Still running Aromasin @ 3mg 3ed for the obvious benefits, dosing on IM days, for consistency. Basically very low dose of everything. Prolactin has always been a huge (and sometimes glaring) issue for me, so the dostinex might be unnecessary for others.

If Prolactin is an issue, I've also had great results with B6 @ 1500mg/day (yes, I know, this is high) in 3 split 500mg doses. With food, at each meal. You even feel the inverse dopamine effect, too.YMMV, that's my (admittedly difficult) physiology. Out of keto it does give me some powerful neuropathy and edema - but on a carb free diet, those sides subside entirely.
 
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