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superbeast said:
No. They are cherry picking anything that goes against their agenda.
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Not going to answer. Bolton's book is the tell all as he knows it and it's credible. You better get used to it because it's being fact checked and vetted by history and people involved.

Lastly, who are they? There is no group of people trying to make history. There is an orange man who has been running around doing whatever he can manage to do under the constitution. He's even tried to overstep it three or four times before being slapped back. (The famous one where he tried to takeover power of the states from their governors about a month and a half ago before they all reminded him that he doesn't call the shots for the states).

Whoever gets us deets of the book first should get a prize from Bull. :)
 
LePsyber said:
Not going to answer. Bolton's book is the tell all as he knows it and it's credible. You better get used to it because it's being fact checked and vetted by history and people involved.

Lastly, who are they? There is no group of people trying to make history. There is an orange man who has been running around doing whatever he can manage to do under the constitution. He's even tried to overstep it three or four times before being slapped back. (The famous one where he tried to takeover power of the states from their governors about a month and a half ago before they all reminded him that he doesn't call the shots for the states).

Whoever gets us deets of the book first should get a prize from Bull. :)
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Man. Your ignorance is somewhat hilarious just because you are so full of shit its just ridiculous.
what is scary is that you might actually believe the non sense you are writing on here. By scary i mean you are that weak minded and claim that you used to carry a gun in public. Thats beyond frightening.
But in a fairness there is a threshold for IQ to become a police officer. That last thing they want is intelligent people capable of critical thinking. Still scares me.
 
LePsyber said:
Sure sure. Just what the world needs is a man who obviously never stopped being a child with the nuke codes.

Sorry but I cant find humor in the sheer amount of stupidity he's said. He's supposed to be a president, someone who children who are in public school look up to. To be inspired by. The only thing his conduct inspires is hoodlums who riot and burn shit to the ground.
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He has elevated shitposting to an artform, it will inspire generations to come šŸ˜
 
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Okay, I am posting the contents as I have located them. This is not an invitation to crap talk and overstep the boundaries of General Talk. There is no reason why we cannot discuss the talking points of his book with level heads. It's important to note that this person was not only there but the White House isn't trying to stop his book based on it's content about the president, they're trying to stop it based on them believing it has "top secret or sensitive" information in the book. Bolton isn't a democrat and I think that whatever we've "heard" is not the same as the facts as he presents them unless the White House/Donald Trump present truthful replies to something not being true.

I'm asking the mods to please moderate fights out of this post. There is no reason or need for this post to be moved because someone starts blowing it up. That "feature" of the site is becoming a little too easy to destroy a post just so it can be moved somewhere else.

This book is very important because it discusses facts, not fiction unless Bolton has somehow misrepresented something. (which will come out as the book is debated by people higher than us.
 
Book Talking Points 1/3

Trump asked Chinese President Xi Jinping for help in getting reelected
Bolton described a conversation between the two world leaders at the June 2019 G-20 meeting in Osaka, Japan, where Trump told Xi that Midwestern farmers were key to his reelection in November 2020. Trump urged Xi to buoy his political fortunes by buying American agricultural products, linking a promise to waive some tariffs on China in exchange. Trump "stressed the importance of farmers and increased Chinese purchases of soybeans and wheat in the electoral outcome," Bolton wrote.
Bolton also says that it's hard for him to think of a single decision Trump made during his stint at the White House "that wasn't driven by reelection calculations."
Trump had no problem with China's concentration camps
Bolton describes several instances where Trump waffles on China-related issues after conversations with Xi, notably on the mass concentration camps Beijing was using to imprison and "re-educate" Uyghur Muslims. Bolton writes that according to the US interpreter in the room during a conversation between Xi and Trump at the G-20 meeting in June 2019, Trump said that Xi should go ahead with building the camps, which Trump thought was "exactly the right thing to do."
Bolton adds that Trump didn't want to sanction China for their crackdown on the Muslim minority because of ongoing trade negotiations. "Religious repression in China was also not on Trump's agenda; whether it was the Catholic Church or Falun Gong, it didn't register," Bolton writes.
Pompeo, famously loyal to the President, may have trash-talked him
Bolton describes a meeting between Trump and Kim Jong Un in which the North Korean despot blamed troubled relations between his country and the US on the actions of prior administrations. Emphasizing the meetings he and Trump had held, Kim told the President that they could dispel mistrust and work quickly toward a nuclear agreement. After Trump told Kim that he would seek Senate ratification of any agreement with North Korea, Bolton writes that Secretary of State Mike Pompeo passed him a notepad. On it was scribbled the message, "he is so full of shit."
"I agreed," Bolton writes, going on to note that Kim promised no further nuclear tests. The State Department has not responded to CNN's request for comment about Pompeo's alleged note.

Trump offered to help Turkey's leader avoid a Justice Department probe
Bolton writes that in December 2018, Trump offered to help Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan with a Justice Department investigation into a Turkish bank with ties to Erdogan that was suspected of violating US Iran sanctions. When the Turkish leader presented Trump with a memo from the law firm representing Halkbank, Trump flipped through it and then declared he believed the bank was totally innocent of violating US sanctions related to Iran.
Trump told Erdogan he would "take care of things," and explained that the Southern District prosecutors "were not his people, but were Obama people," and the problem would be fixed when they were replaced by his people.
Bolton notes that "this was all nonsense" because the Justice Department prosecutors were career employees who would have taken the same path with the Halkbank probe regardless of who was president.
 
Book Talking Points 2/3


The Israeli prime minister didn't understand why Kushner led on Middle East peace
Before joining Trump's White House, Bolton says he had a conversation with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who questioned Jared Kushner's role in developing a Middle East peace plan.
Netanyahu "was dubious about assigning the task of bringing an end to the Israel-Palestinian conflict to Kushner, whose family Netanyahu had known for many years. He was enough of a politician not to oppose the idea publicly, but like much of the world, he wondered why Kushner thought he would succeed where the likes of Kissinger had failed."
The White House decision-making process was like a 'food fight'
Bolton says the weekly meetings to discuss issues, chaired by Trump in the Roosevelt Room or the Oval Office, more closely resembled college food fights than careful decision-making, with no lower-level effort or involvement by the relevant agencies to sort out the issues and the options. "After these sessions, had I believed in yoga, I probably could have used some," Bolton wrote.
It's a theme Bolton returns to more than once, describing a mercurial President who has little interest in learning how the federal government worked. Instead, he describes Trump as very focused on how decisions will play in the media.
Trump didn't like sanctions on Russia
Bolton claims that Trump privately complained about sanctions and other punitive measures imposed on Russia with "extended grumbling and complaining," even as he touted them in public.
After the US announced a first round of sanctions on Russia for poisoning former Russian spy Sergei Skripal and his daughter in the UK, Bolton said Trump wanted to rescind the penalties and thought they were being too tough on Russian President Vladimir Putin.
"Trump told Pompeo to call Lavrov and say 'some bureaucrat' had published the sanctions -- a call that may or may not have ever taken place," Bolton wrote.
Bolton also claimed Trump stopped the issue of a statement criticizing Russia on the tenth anniversary of its invasion of Georgia. The former national security adviser writes that these actions were a reflection of Trump's "difficulty in separating personal from official relations."
Trump's revealing questions: Is Finland a part of Russia?
Before the summit with Putin in Helsinki, Trump asked his advisers if Finland was a part of Russia, or whether it was a "kind of satellite of Russia."
On his way to the Helsinki meeting, Trump stopped to see then-British Prime Minister Theresa May in the UK. During that meeting, May's national security adviser, speaking about the Skripal poisoning, referred to the attack as one on a nuclear power. "Trump asked, 'oh, are you a nuclear power?,' which I knew was not intended as a joke," Bolton wrote.
And on multiple occasions, Bolton said Trump repeatedly mixed up Afghan President Ashraf Ghani with former President Hamid Karzai.
 
Book Talking Points 3/3


Trump told people that Venezuela is 'really part of the US' and wanted to invade
Bolton writes that in discussions about toppling the regime of Nicolas Maduro, Trump "insisted on military options for Venezuela," telling advisers that the country "is really part of the United States." During a March 2019 meeting at the Pentagon, Trump grilled military leaders about why the US was in Afghanistan and Iraq, but not in Venezuela.
Trump's repeated insistence that military options be considered to oust Maduro often shocked aides, lawmakers and advisers, Bolton writes. In a meeting with Florida Republicans, "Trump still wanted a military option," leaving Sen. Rick Scott and Gov. Ron Desantis "plainly stunned," while Sen. Marco Rubio, who had heard Trump on the subject before "knew how to deflect it politely."
Trump wanted Attorney General Bill Barr to make CNN reporters 'serve time in jail'
When news leaked about a hush-hush meeting on Afghanistan at Trump's Bedminster resort, Trump complained that CNN had reported the summit was taking place, Bolton writes. The President told White House counsel Pat Cipollone to call Attorney General Bill Barr about his desire to "arrest the reporters, force them to serve time in jail, and then demand they disclose their sources."
 
LePsyber said:
Okay, I am posting the contents as I have located them. This is not an invitation to crap talk and overstep the boundaries of General Talk. There is no reason why we cannot discuss the talking points of his book with level heads. It's important to note that this person was not only there but the White House isn't trying to stop his book based on it's content about the president, they're trying to stop it based on them believing it has "top secret or sensitive" information in the book. Bolton isn't a democrat and I think that whatever we've "heard" is not the same as the facts as he presents them unless the White House/Donald Trump present truthful replies to something not being true.

I'm asking the mods to please moderate fights out of this post. There is no reason or need for this post to be moved because someone starts blowing it up. That "feature" of the site is becoming a little too easy to destroy a post just so it can be moved somewhere else.

This book is very important because it discusses facts, not fiction unless Bolton has somehow misrepresented something. (which will come out as the book is debated by people higher than us.
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Disagree.
All Political talk should be in the anything goes section as it is guaranteed to get ugly. @Admin
Also, You have not read the book. none of us have. So claiming that you are sticking to facts of the book is just bullshit. Who the fuck are you to claim this Book is fact. Your insider knowledge?
It seems like your whole intention was to get people riled up and then claim harassment to the mods. Your title is evidence of this.
 
LePsyber said:
Book Talking Points 2/3


The Israeli prime minister didn't understand why Kushner led on Middle East peace
Before joining Trump's White House, Bolton says he had a conversation with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who questioned Jared Kushner's role in developing a Middle East peace plan.
Netanyahu "was dubious about assigning the task of bringing an end to the Israel-Palestinian conflict to Kushner, whose family Netanyahu had known for many years. He was enough of a politician not to oppose the idea publicly, but like much of the world, he wondered why Kushner thought he would succeed where the likes of Kissinger had failed."
The White House decision-making process was like a 'food fight'
Bolton says the weekly meetings to discuss issues, chaired by Trump in the Roosevelt Room or the Oval Office, more closely resembled college food fights than careful decision-making, with no lower-level effort or involvement by the relevant agencies to sort out the issues and the options. "After these sessions, had I believed in yoga, I probably could have used some," Bolton wrote.
It's a theme Bolton returns to more than once, describing a mercurial President who has little interest in learning how the federal government worked. Instead, he describes Trump as very focused on how decisions will play in the media.
Trump didn't like sanctions on Russia
Bolton claims that Trump privately complained about sanctions and other punitive measures imposed on Russia with "extended grumbling and complaining," even as he touted them in public.
After the US announced a first round of sanctions on Russia for poisoning former Russian spy Sergei Skripal and his daughter in the UK, Bolton said Trump wanted to rescind the penalties and thought they were being too tough on Russian President Vladimir Putin.
"Trump told Pompeo to call Lavrov and say 'some bureaucrat' had published the sanctions -- a call that may or may not have ever taken place," Bolton wrote.
Bolton also claimed Trump stopped the issue of a statement criticizing Russia on the tenth anniversary of its invasion of Georgia. The former national security adviser writes that these actions were a reflection of Trump's "difficulty in separating personal from official relations."
Trump's revealing questions: Is Finland a part of Russia?
Before the summit with Putin in Helsinki, Trump asked his advisers if Finland was a part of Russia, or whether it was a "kind of satellite of Russia."
On his way to the Helsinki meeting, Trump stopped to see then-British Prime Minister Theresa May in the UK. During that meeting, May's national security adviser, speaking about the Skripal poisoning, referred to the attack as one on a nuclear power. "Trump asked, 'oh, are you a nuclear power?,' which I knew was not intended as a joke," Bolton wrote.
And on multiple occasions, Bolton said Trump repeatedly mixed up Afghan President Ashraf Ghani with former President Hamid Karzai.
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Prove it
 
I can see it now. You going to court to testify against someone in an arrest you made.
They ask for your statement. You say ā€œi saw it on tv so thats all the evidence i need your honourā€
Give me a break.
 
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LePsyber said:
Book Talking Points 3/3


Trump told people that Venezuela is 'really part of the US' and wanted to invade
Bolton writes that in discussions about toppling the regime of Nicolas Maduro, Trump "insisted on military options for Venezuela," telling advisers that the country "is really part of the United States." During a March 2019 meeting at the Pentagon, Trump grilled military leaders about why the US was in Afghanistan and Iraq, but not in Venezuela.
Trump's repeated insistence that military options be considered to oust Maduro often shocked aides, lawmakers and advisers, Bolton writes. In a meeting with Florida Republicans, "Trump still wanted a military option," leaving Sen. Rick Scott and Gov. Ron Desantis "plainly stunned," while Sen. Marco Rubio, who had heard Trump on the subject before "knew how to deflect it politely."
Trump wanted Attorney General Bill Barr to make CNN reporters 'serve time in jail'
When news leaked about a hush-hush meeting on Afghanistan at Trump's Bedminster resort, Trump complained that CNN had reported the summit was taking place, Bolton writes. The President told White House counsel Pat Cipollone to call Attorney General Bill Barr about his desire to "arrest the reporters, force them to serve time in jail, and then demand they disclose their sources."
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Proof?
 
LePsyber said:
Book Talking Points 1/3

Trump asked Chinese President Xi Jinping for help in getting reelected
Bolton described a conversation between the two world leaders at the June 2019 G-20 meeting in Osaka, Japan, where Trump told Xi that Midwestern farmers were key to his reelection in November 2020. Trump urged Xi to buoy his political fortunes by buying American agricultural products, linking a promise to waive some tariffs on China in exchange. Trump "stressed the importance of farmers and increased Chinese purchases of soybeans and wheat in the electoral outcome," Bolton wrote.
Bolton also says that it's hard for him to think of a single decision Trump made during his stint at the White House "that wasn't driven by reelection calculations."
Trump had no problem with China's concentration camps
Bolton describes several instances where Trump waffles on China-related issues after conversations with Xi, notably on the mass concentration camps Beijing was using to imprison and "re-educate" Uyghur Muslims. Bolton writes that according to the US interpreter in the room during a conversation between Xi and Trump at the G-20 meeting in June 2019, Trump said that Xi should go ahead with building the camps, which Trump thought was "exactly the right thing to do."
Bolton adds that Trump didn't want to sanction China for their crackdown on the Muslim minority because of ongoing trade negotiations. "Religious repression in China was also not on Trump's agenda; whether it was the Catholic Church or Falun Gong, it didn't register," Bolton writes.
Pompeo, famously loyal to the President, may have trash-talked him
Bolton describes a meeting between Trump and Kim Jong Un in which the North Korean despot blamed troubled relations between his country and the US on the actions of prior administrations. Emphasizing the meetings he and Trump had held, Kim told the President that they could dispel mistrust and work quickly toward a nuclear agreement. After Trump told Kim that he would seek Senate ratification of any agreement with North Korea, Bolton writes that Secretary of State Mike Pompeo passed him a notepad. On it was scribbled the message, "he is so full of shit."
"I agreed," Bolton writes, going on to note that Kim promised no further nuclear tests. The State Department has not responded to CNN's request for comment about Pompeo's alleged note.

Trump offered to help Turkey's leader avoid a Justice Department probe
Bolton writes that in December 2018, Trump offered to help Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan with a Justice Department investigation into a Turkish bank with ties to Erdogan that was suspected of violating US Iran sanctions. When the Turkish leader presented Trump with a memo from the law firm representing Halkbank, Trump flipped through it and then declared he believed the bank was totally innocent of violating US sanctions related to Iran.
Trump told Erdogan he would "take care of things," and explained that the Southern District prosecutors "were not his people, but were Obama people," and the problem would be fixed when they were replaced by his people.
Bolton notes that "this was all nonsense" because the Justice Department prosecutors were career employees who would have taken the same path with the Halkbank probe regardless of who was president.
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Prove it...
 
superbeast said:
Disagree.
All Political talk should be in the anything goes section as it is guaranteed to get ugly. @Admin
Also, You have not read the book. none of us have. So claiming that you are sticking to facts of the book is just bullshit. Who the fuck are you to claim this Book is fact. Your insider knowledge?
It seems like your whole intention was to get people riled up and then claim harassment to the mods. Your title is evidence of this.
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Stating "fact" from heresay without proof is what the left does.

You're wasting your time debating him. Yes, this should be sent to anything goes.
 
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superbeast said:
Proof?
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They're been backed up as we speak. As I said, I'll post the parts of the book and unless the parts are fake then there should be no problem talking about them.

Being able to accept the truth is what I suspect the problem is going to be. This isn't a liberal vs democrat debate. These are facts be put forth by a credible source in John Bolton. He's not a sleezy lawyer offering fluff money to people.
 
aGuyFromWinnipeg said:
I hope its a 10 stack for the trunk of your car.
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I see those on eBay all the time. The problem as with anything there is if the sucker still works. Generally yes because I think they're people digging boxes out of their attics and basements.
 
With info from a book such as this there is not much point in us debating anything. We can't prove anything one way or another. To take this all as fact verbatim is idiotic, but certainly there is some truth in it. We will see in time.

Wait until Trump's niece drops her latest tome... šŸ’£
 
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