Do you enjoy being on TRT?
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Got turned onto it by a buddy of mine about a year ago. Turned 45 this year and have been doing it myself coming up on 10-months now....still play around with dosages and frequency. Recently started sub-Q at it seems to be the new "in thing". Can't say if its any better or worse to do it that way, just yet.
Harley00
The Rebel
Iv started trt a year ago, and its been noithing but an uphill battle , seems as if its bringing out all the bad evil inside and pointing me to my next obstacle or challenge.
I keep fighting each challenge like a zelda video game thinkin that if i solve this quest ill be good to go , but then up outa no where another evil villian pops up...
I keep fighting, thinkin that trt is a tool and its going to eventually point me or lead me to victory.
Maybe im the opposite of others , where they develop issues when there older , maybe i have them now , if i fix them now maybe ill be good.
Trt should be called . The uncertainty drug. Or red pill blue pill take a pick and choose your destiny.
I keep fighting each challenge like a zelda video game thinkin that if i solve this quest ill be good to go , but then up outa no where another evil villian pops up...
I keep fighting, thinkin that trt is a tool and its going to eventually point me or lead me to victory.
Maybe im the opposite of others , where they develop issues when there older , maybe i have them now , if i fix them now maybe ill be good.
Trt should be called . The uncertainty drug. Or red pill blue pill take a pick and choose your destiny.
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Sterling81
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Also been on "self-prescribed" TrT for sometime (around 1 year) because of low normal and to be honest, I question myself on a weekly bases. Almost 40 years old so I still have a few years in front of me, is this something I want to do bi-weekly for the next 25/40 years? I ordered twice so far, I kinda know my dosage (100/week), I tend to make sure to have 20 weeks supply so that, just like what happened with my source disappearing, it gives me time to find another.
the positives overshadow the negatives by a lot, the cost is nothing, the libido is amazing, being married for 15 years it helps
, the strength, energy, low body fat. The other issue I "might" be seeing is, I can be having to leave the country for an extended period of time (months) at some point (business), been a while it didn't happen but it can happen again. didn't yet come up with a solid plan, was thinking about androgel, kinda easier to make it look like moisturizing, but far rom being as effective.
I tried the legal way and specialist are a royal pain to deal with, they loaded me with cialis/viagra, anti depressants, sleeping pills, all have sides that are intolerable. started TrT, sleeps my nights, no depression, pitch a tent without issues.
I think I'll keep going this way until our health system gets better at understanding low T.
the positives overshadow the negatives by a lot, the cost is nothing, the libido is amazing, being married for 15 years it helps
, the strength, energy, low body fat. The other issue I "might" be seeing is, I can be having to leave the country for an extended period of time (months) at some point (business), been a while it didn't happen but it can happen again. didn't yet come up with a solid plan, was thinking about androgel, kinda easier to make it look like moisturizing, but far rom being as effective.I tried the legal way and specialist are a royal pain to deal with, they loaded me with cialis/viagra, anti depressants, sleeping pills, all have sides that are intolerable. started TrT, sleeps my nights, no depression, pitch a tent without issues.
I think I'll keep going this way until our health system gets better at understanding low T.
When you say it seems to bring out all the bad evil inside, pointig you to your next obstacle etc..
What exactly are you referring to?
Harley00
The Rebel
Lol, what i mean is i think trt brings out and un masks all your underlying issues, and i believe it brings them out before there due.(depending)
Your only as strong or as good as your weakest link, and when you optimize something or a hormone in your body and its working the best it can and if something else in your body isn't working the way its supposed to then your going to find out.
Some people may be in good shape health wise with hormones and just good physically health etc so when they raise there testosterone and optimize it it may take awhile for them to see there underlying issues , because for the most part there overall health is good.
Someone who is not in good condition will be hit hard with all these issue early on so that is what i meant.
You guys wanted opinions lol so thats my honest opinion.
I think physically and psychological, although i do believe trt helps in the psychological department i think its bond with cortisol, anxiety, stress is a plus. So maybe i mean more towards the physically aspect.
Can i say that choosing trt was a good decision? Im not sure.
Can insay i can turn back now and everything will go back to normal? Im not sure, i know i dont wanna be back in the place i was a year ago, but i can say i dont like the challenges i face currently. But i do believe these obstacles im having were always there and were always going ro be there in time.
@zenmonky
@animal-inside
I think this is something to think about for all guys starting TRT. I also think that guys are starting way to high, 100 to 150 in my opinion should get the majority of guys to a safe top of the reference range. Without sides.
confession. i tricked my doc into giving me prescription. was all excited and shit until he handed me a 3 month script for 100mg/week and blood test requisition. suddenly i was questioning if i really want to do this. i dont want to get into something i will regret just because im having a mid life crisis. i want to express my thanks for your guys experiences. its given me more to think about. still on the fence
I think the real question is whether low test is causing your symptoms? And what are you looking to get out of it?
Harley00
The Rebel
I second rocky on this. You may have other underlying issues that need addressed.
Sleep apnea
Thyroid
Etc are just a couple
just to compensate for general slowing down form aging. not holding muscle like i used to, not recovering as fast, dont have the endurance and am becoming only mortal in the sack. my life style has slowed down and at this rate there is no way ill get the opportunity to be violently killed. im not to afraid to admit. im super afraid of death but ive seen late stage aging and long term care. dying in a gun fight or falling off a mountain looks much better. i was defiantly on track in my 30s and 40s. i hoping raising my test will reactivate my stupidity drive.
i sleep well, i have a oximiter that say my sleeping o2 levels are good. doc say my bloods are good (until i cheated). i even lowered my cholesterol using your guys method of high omega 3 dosing.
Harley00
The Rebel
Maybe start a new thread with issues your having, and post up all blood work you have.
And see if others can read the labs and help point you in the right direction.
Be honest with your symptoms, and everything your on , someone may be able to help for sure, if your minds not focused on the task at hand then trt may not be right for you at this moment. But it very well could be too.
Test will do all the above, but it should not be taken lightly and it should not be an easy decision. As I stated above quality of life depended on a medication is not ideal.
Good luck.
PS. The other consideration is that initially it does turn back the clock a bit but doesn’t hold it static forever. Every five years you have to redial in because some of the ageing affects do creep in just at a slower pace than people not on testosterone.
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I started down this path about 3 years ago. It was a bit of a fluke - I had some issues that my doc thought were concussion related (I've had 8 recorded 'major' concussions). Did an all out barrage of tests and found my test production to be that of an 80yr old male.
Dialing in my trt dose took about 12-16 months. After which, I was able to get off my depression and anxiety meds and my quality of life improved substantially. Trading one dependence for another... this for me is the lesser of the evils and is the devil I now know. I don't regret it under the circumstances.
Dialing in my trt dose took about 12-16 months. After which, I was able to get off my depression and anxiety meds and my quality of life improved substantially. Trading one dependence for another... this for me is the lesser of the evils and is the devil I now know. I don't regret it under the circumstances.
Sterling81
Member
And for me, this is exactly what makes me "rethink" my choice this often, "underlying issue". about 5 years ago I inquired about Raynaud phenomenon/disease (hands & feet freeze very easily) with no specification on weather it was primary or secondary. After numerous blood tests, testosterone was out of wack, one was low normal, than had another one that was high normal, than back low normal. Other factor were pointing toward MCTD because of my ANA and ENA tests, went to see 3 different rheumatologist, couldn't pinpoint anything except the raynaud, but again with my background, could be frostbites, and possible signs of lupus (redness in my face).
5 years back and forth with specialists, primary care doctors loading me on pills that do half jobs, I just got tired. I actually got another phone call from a reference that was sent pre covid for a urologist, I might just take it on this and go see him. I will start a thread on this for sure, just to help out others in the same boat.
I never started taking steroids until I was 50 my earlier years I felt great and my libido was very high after I hit 29 and prior to 22. Before 29 i had some issues with libido but I think it had to do with being heavily involved in TaekwonDo. I was constantly sparring, stretching to almost a full split, getting kicked in the nuts constantly during sparing sessions. I honestly think this was the cause of my low sex drive, excessive misuse of the groin area.
I started using steriods quite heavily from 52 until 54 because I was competing in local and Atlantic competitions. I enjoyed the recovery and stamina and power steroids gave me. I never had many side, except for deca (limp dick) which I stopped taking.
I have to admit, I have been lucky, I seldom had any bad injections or PIP. I think this is because I made my own stuff for 7 years, knew my supplier well who provided me with good powders, and I was a real stickler with sterility when I made injectables. Now that I don't make it I have found a supplier where PIP is not an issue.
I only take a small amount of test each week now, I am 61, and it does not bother me a bit. My workouts have always been a lot harder than jamming a little needle into my thigh weekly. And that is another thing. I always pinned my thighs as I could see what I was doing, I could sit down and relax my thigh so the needle went in easy, so I seldom had issues with injections.
I am good with the path I have taken and what I am doing now. I would rather administer my own trt than allow my doctor in on it. She is very closed minded so I keep her out of it. I get blood tests quarterly and everything seems to be fine
Meh ... I like where I am at ... it could be a lot worse and I am not dependent on trt. On occasion I have got lazy and have gone 6 weeks without doing an injection or doing any HCG or AI's. I haven't felt much different. I think life is good and what I have done in the past was what I thought was right. No regrets.
I started using steriods quite heavily from 52 until 54 because I was competing in local and Atlantic competitions. I enjoyed the recovery and stamina and power steroids gave me. I never had many side, except for deca (limp dick) which I stopped taking.
I have to admit, I have been lucky, I seldom had any bad injections or PIP. I think this is because I made my own stuff for 7 years, knew my supplier well who provided me with good powders, and I was a real stickler with sterility when I made injectables. Now that I don't make it I have found a supplier where PIP is not an issue.
I only take a small amount of test each week now, I am 61, and it does not bother me a bit. My workouts have always been a lot harder than jamming a little needle into my thigh weekly. And that is another thing. I always pinned my thighs as I could see what I was doing, I could sit down and relax my thigh so the needle went in easy, so I seldom had issues with injections.
I am good with the path I have taken and what I am doing now. I would rather administer my own trt than allow my doctor in on it. She is very closed minded so I keep her out of it. I get blood tests quarterly and everything seems to be fine
Meh ... I like where I am at ... it could be a lot worse and I am not dependent on trt. On occasion I have got lazy and have gone 6 weeks without doing an injection or doing any HCG or AI's. I haven't felt much different. I think life is good and what I have done in the past was what I thought was right. No regrets.
I believe you are right on that.
My thought is your test naturally goes up and down, I think the fluctuation makes it harder for your body to convert a lot into estrogen, so many things need to be in the right place so the right time.
But you inject ethnate, well once piece of the conversion puzzle is always available, the testosterone.
So I believe it converts more.
Then trying to balance estrogen, bwahaaa another animal all together.
Over training in general tanks testosterone levels (as well as other chronic stress states, ie malnutrition/chronic dieting)
Marathon runners / endurance athletes have low testosterone levels (even at younger ages)
Even children in their prepubertal years have low testosterone levels, but don’t have typical “low t” symptoms
which makes me think these symptoms people have from “low t” is from another cause and the trt is just used to mask these symptoms.
but that’s just my opinion
Testosterone and estrogen work together in the body normally
Testosterone goes up, which makes estrogen go up, which makes testosterone go back down, which makes estrogen go back down, which makes testosterone go back up again
but when you inject it, the testosterone doesn’t go down when estrogen goes up, so estrogen keeps going up because testosterone stays high. Probably why it makes you feel better than natural testosterone, since it’s chronically elevated and you’ll be more anabolic too
also, a study showed as men age they converted more testosterone to estrogen and less to dht, which might be why men’s hormones are more imbalanced when they’re older.
and another study showed suppressing estrogen with arimidex during trt inhibited the fat loss benefits from trt
I think another study showed arimidex use increased hemoglobin/hematocrit/RBC too
so it seems like trt gets more complicated as you age
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