Covid vaccine

Bagua said:
My girlfriend and her family got the Astra-Zeneca Vaccine and got mild sides of chills and nausea. That is only five people; therefore, obviously very anecdotal. Bear in mind every med or vaccine has the potential for adverse reactions, and sometimes these can be serious. Do your homework from reputable sources.
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My parents both got their first shot of the Astra -Zeneca vaccine. I only talked to my mother, but she said no sides.. She's easily manipulated though.. If she thinks that vaccine will save the world, she will profess it's greatness even if it gives her a stroke and deny it gave her any sides lol..

I think Ontario got a lot of the Astra-Zeneca vaccines. By that I mean, Ontario had a lot of that vaccine show up to be given out.
 
KetoMuscles said:
I sure do. I also recognize the irony in recommending people choose reliable sources for their information then posting 2 propaganda shill pieces to reference.
Might as well post a couple of that Cape Breton guys reviews so we can see how awesome bt is. Obviously he would get paid a whole lot less.
Although my article is listed as an opinion piece it contains far more pertinent information and references more studies than those two glossy showroom product catalogues.
In fairness though your articles do mention a few important facts. a) That it has been in the works for decades. Just never proven safe. b) they like this technology more because it can be produced faster and cheaper for them, c) the only reason these ones are out is because of the sheer amount of money involved. d) that they are only out because they stoped at phase III trials as opposed to the required phase IV. e) they are only released under EUA's
I really think if these products were being released from ugl's they would be run out of town pdq. Actually they are a lot like that other site. They pay shills for good reviews, delete and censor negative reviews. Profit is more important than your safety. They don't care how many people they hurt as long as sales keep going. Oh ya, and after they get enough bad publicity from adverse events, they change the name of their product.
On a board that promotes health and wellness, harm reduction and promotes knowledge of risk/reward and diminishing returns, what possible logical reason would there be to risk taking these unproven products?
In Canada, we have listed 23,287 deaths out of 1,052,545 cases. That means even if you caught it, you have 99.9778% survival rate. They can't even tell you if you have those same high odds of surviving the jab! It also doesn't take into consideration the breakdown in demographics or at risk categories. Why risk the health and wellbeing of 100% of the population with experimental human trials instead of protecting the 0.02% at risk people?
They are coming after the kids next! Wt actual F!! The demographic that doesn't get sick or even build a viral load heavy enough to become contagious. Better gmo them!
Where's the science? Where's the logic? Where's the common sense? All I see is profit motives, control motives and fear mongering.
forgot to add my reference site. https://www.covid-19canada.com
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Propaganda shill is how I made my living. Shill- love it. Post marketing reports.
 
Personally, with my family being young, healthy and no pre existing conditions, we will pass on the vaccine for now. We just have such a low low low risk of dying from covid that the risk of the unknown vaccines is higher.

Once we are a bit into the vaccinations and get better picture of long term etc.. We might consider the vaccine.

Most importantly, we will live with our choices and not complain if we get a serious case of covid if we turn away the vaccine..
 
animal-inside said:
My parents both got their first shot of the Astra -Zeneca vaccine. I only talked to my mother, but she said no sides.. She's easily manipulated though.. If she thinks that vaccine will save the world, she will profess it's greatness even if it gives her a stroke and deny it gave her any sides lol..

I think Ontario got a lot of the Astra-Zeneca vaccines. By that I mean, Ontario had a lot of that vaccine show up to be given out.
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Everyone I know has had sides from the AstraZeneca, and the count is going up with the healthcare people I know. The most serious is a friend who gets the flu from the flu shot. She had brutal chills for a couple of days. Nothing outside of the product monograph, though.
 
Bagua said:
Everyone I know has had sides from the AstraZeneca, and the count is going up with the healthcare people I know. The most serious is a friend who gets the flu from the flu shot. She had brutal chills for a couple of days. Nothing outside of the product monograph, though.
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Everyone you know whose had the AZ shot has had side effects????

The only people I know who have gotten the AZ shot is my parents and like I said if my mother got sides, she'd never admit to it because it wouldn't suit her narrative of "the government told me its safe"
 
animal-inside said:
Everyone you know whose had the AZ shot has had side effects????

The only people I know who have gotten the AZ shot is my parents and like I said if my mother got sides, she'd never admit to it because it wouldn't suit her narrative of "the government told me its safe"
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Yep, every single person. Everyone I know who takes Haloperidol does as well, so it is no big deal. All the sides are in the monograph. I am waiting for something that would be a post-marketing report, but nothing yet. Mind you; I don't know 100s of people—still just anecdotal.
 
Cheapshot said:
I didn't read that whole link bit I do remember reading a study and it was something very crazy like 99.9% of deaths from covid had low levels of vitamin D. I will try and find it but it was mind blowing to me something so simple can possibly save us.
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Search. You will find lots of info going back to day one (almost) of the Pandemic. Dr. John Campbell has been touting D for quite a while. There are many ifs and buts at the moment about Vitamin D or something else in sunlight. Nothing to prevent you from taking Vitamin D. Get One alpha if you can it is much better than regular D Vitamins.
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3ml said:
What isnt debatable is that we have zero data of what possible long term side effects could arise. To argue this would be laughable.
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Zero real world results, that would be impossible and is also true for any new drug released. Nobody is going to do 80yrs of clinical trials before releasing a new drug to truly test long term side effects. Even viagra was only released 20 some years ago, I wouldn't consider that "long term" either. Although I am quite confident they've done models on what is likely to happen, and if I were a gambling man I'd say those models are probably 80/20% correct which does mean there is margin for error and a risk involved of course!

KetoMuscles said:
Any product that gets pushed into the market before it has passed all the minimum safety tests and protocols is rushed.
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You're showing in this thread your lack of knowledge on this process. I have a close friend who's a senior advisor at Health Canada. Her team was directly involved in reviewing the data from these safety tests that you're saying were not done. They were literally doing 14hr+ days, 7 days per weeks for MONTHS reviewing this data. They were also reviewing data from the trails, which you also say didn't happen. All of this must be done before Health Canada could approve for use. And before you say it, yes the approval process was significantly faster than a new to market drug would be. This is why they were working significantly longer hours than normal, and the entire department was devoted to this while other things got set aside. Speed doesn't equal rushed. Make sure you have your facts straight before you go spewing your conspiracy theorist bullshit.
 
IronRobi said:
Zero real world results, that would be impossible and is also true for any new drug released. Nobody is going to do 80yrs of clinical trials before releasing a new drug to truly test long term side effects. Even viagra was only released 20 some years ago, I wouldn't consider that "long term" either. Although I am quite confident they've done models on what is likely to happen, and if I were a gambling man I'd say those models are probably 80/20% correct which does mean there is margin for error and a risk involved of course!


You're showing in this thread your lack of knowledge on this process. I have a close friend who's a senior advisor at Health Canada. Her team was directly involved in reviewing the data from these safety tests that you're saying were not done. They were literally doing 14hr+ days, 7 days per weeks for MONTHS reviewing this data. They were also reviewing data from the trails, which you also say didn't happen. All of this must be done before Health Canada could approve for use. And before you say it, yes the approval process was significantly faster than a new to market drug would be. This is why they were working significantly longer hours than normal, and the entire department was devoted to this while other things got set aside. Speed doesn't equal rushed. Make sure you have your facts straight before you go spewing your conspiracy theorist bullshit.
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Everything I have said is accurate.
But if you have an insider at Health Canada how about you ask them to send over the phase IV human trials. And while they’re busy not sending it, why don’t you ask them to explain the difference between bringing a product to market as Approved and allowing a product to be used under EUA only. And then you can explain to my little conspiracy theory mind how that gap isn’t rushed.
 
KetoMuscles said:
Everything I have said is accurate.
But if you have an insider at Health Canada how about you ask them to send over the phase IV human trials. And while they’re busy not sending it, why don’t you ask them to explain the difference between bringing a product to market as Approved and allowing a product to be used under EUA only. And then you can explain to my little conspiracy theory mind how that gap isn’t rushed.
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You are so right! It definitely makes so much more sense that we should all trust some person on the internet who watched a couple YouTube videos over somebody who has been directly involved in the approval process? How could we all be so stupid!
 
The AZ vaccine is in line with blood clots from Covid, so no bigger risk than covid.
But with my chance of catching covid very low, bug injecting my self with the vaccine 100%, I’d bet the risk to me for getting blood clots from the vaccine is exponetionaly larger.

Im in no rush. Now if I had comobidities then the vaccine may be safer. I find this to be a personal choice and I don’t frown on anyone who wants to do so. As long as I’m not forced.
 
Sorbate said:
I’d bet the risk to me for getting blood clots from the vaccine is exponetionaly larger.
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220ish cases of clots so far. I'm pretty sure the odds of liver failure from Tylenol are likely higher than getting blood clots from the AZ vaccine. But at least they're not trying to hide the possible side effect, or even downplay the possibilities of it happening.

I only know 4 people who have had the AZ vaccine to date. All of them were in the 55+ age group. The 1 side effect in 1 person was simply fatigue and he had to take a nap the next day. lol I do think because of the significantly lower cost it will be the route the government goes for mainstream vaccination. It's unfortunate because so many people are in extreme fear of this version of the vaccine.
 
IronRobi said:
220ish cases of clots so far. I'm pretty sure the odds of liver failure from Tylenol are likely higher than getting blood clots from the AZ vaccine. But at least they're not trying to hide the possible side effect, or even downplay the possibilities of it happening.

I only know 4 people who have had the AZ vaccine to date. All of them were in the 55+ age group. The 1 side effect in 1 person was simply fatigue and he had to take a nap the next day. lol I do think because of the significantly lower cost it will be the route the government goes for mainstream vaccination. It's unfortunate because so many people are in extreme fear of this version of the vaccine.
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Yes, but every time I take tylenol I know I’m not going into liver failure, nor is there a risk for me to have that happen.. So not really a good compairson.
‘I’m not over 55 with a reduced immune system, so I won’t take Astra.
‘And the risk from getting clots from Covid is around the same. Actually lower, because my chance of getting Covid is not very high.
 
IronRobi said:
You are so right! It definitely makes so much more sense that we should all trust some person on the internet who watched a couple YouTube videos over somebody who has been directly involved in the approval process? How could we all be so stupid!
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Hopefully your friend can debunk everything before it becomes conspiracy fact. Until then, here is a quote I found from the HC website.
“Once the product is on the market, the manufacturers (AstraZeneca Canada Inc. and Verity Pharmaceuticals/Serum Institute of India (SII)) are legally required to submit reports of adverse events to Health Canada.The manufacturer is planning to follow clinical trial participants for at least 1 year after the second dose of the vaccine is given. It must communicate any safety concerns to Health Canada.”
Maybe you can ask your friend if they are supposed to get Informed consent before people enrol as unwitting participants. Mr @Bagua , Did your family members have to sign a consent form or anything? Or are they using implied consent instead of informed consent?
So many questions. Can you ask why the AstraZeneca product name has been changed? There must be some sort of legal obligations due to the specific permissions given. Or are we still being given old batches?
Can you also ask why they have remdesivir as an approved treatment when it was declared over priced and useless to treat covid? And ask why other proven treatments like hcq, azithromycin, ivermectin aren’t listed? Hey! Conspiracy back story time.
Did you know that in order to obtain EUA, there can be no other approved treatment. HCQ was being used by doctors in countries around the world. Ruh-roh!! Well wouldn’t you know, somebody published an unpeer reviewed hit piece saying it caused scaring of the heart. The WHO and CDC jumped on it and banned the use of hcq. And the msm ran the story nonstop. Obviously the study was attacked and discredited. Just as the pen was touching the EUA papers the WHO ever so quietly retracted their blacklisting. One more coincidence. About the same time, the worlds second largest pharmaceutical factory producing the main precursor to HCQ exploded. Shortage! Thank goodness for vaccines.
Actually the billion dollar question is, If the main factor to qualify for a EUA (lack of treatments) is not met, then why is Canada allowing the roll out of an unapproved vaccine at all?? Yikes! She might actually get fired for asking that.
You may not buy into the whole Great Reset, Agenda 21 etc but these companies stand to make $100bil/year profits. If you don’t think that’s enough of a motive to rush an unproven treatment out then I don’t know what else is. I don’t watch tv, but I’m willing to bet dollars for donuts that you are seeing a whole lot more vaccine and medical commercials. That's the media’s kickback. Running 24/7 fear porn for a price. You do also realize these vaccine companies have a long history of killing and maiming and controversy right? I'm not sure why it is so far beyond the realm of thought that they might be at it again.
 
KetoMuscles said:
Hopefully your friend can debunk everything before it becomes conspiracy fact. Until then, here is a quote I found from the HC website.
“Once the product is on the market, the manufacturers (AstraZeneca Canada Inc. and Verity Pharmaceuticals/Serum Institute of India (SII)) are legally required to submit reports of adverse events to Health Canada.The manufacturer is planning to follow clinical trial participants for at least 1 year after the second dose of the vaccine is given. It must communicate any safety concerns to Health Canada.”
Maybe you can ask your friend if they are supposed to get Informed consent before people enrol as unwitting participants. Mr @Bagua , Did your family members have to sign a consent form or anything? Or are they using implied consent instead of informed consent?
So many questions. Can you ask why the AstraZeneca product name has been changed? There must be some sort of legal obligations due to the specific permissions given. Or are we still being given old batches?
Can you also ask why they have remdesivir as an approved treatment when it was declared over priced and useless to treat covid? And ask why other proven treatments like hcq, azithromycin, ivermectin aren’t listed? Hey! Conspiracy back story time.
Did you know that in order to obtain EUA, there can be no other approved treatment. HCQ was being used by doctors in countries around the world. Ruh-roh!! Well wouldn’t you know, somebody published an unpeer reviewed hit piece saying it caused scaring of the heart. The WHO and CDC jumped on it and banned the use of hcq. And the msm ran the story nonstop. Obviously the study was attacked and discredited. Just as the pen was touching the EUA papers the WHO ever so quietly retracted their blacklisting. One more coincidence. About the same time, the worlds second largest pharmaceutical factory producing the main precursor to HCQ exploded. Shortage! Thank goodness for vaccines.
Actually the billion dollar question is, If the main factor to qualify for a EUA (lack of treatments) is not met, then why is Canada allowing the roll out of an unapproved vaccine at all?? Yikes! She might actually get fired for asking that.
You may not buy into the whole Great Reset, Agenda 21 etc but these companies stand to make $100bil/year profits. If you don’t think that’s enough of a motive to rush an unproven treatment out then I don’t know what else is. I don’t watch tv, but I’m willing to bet dollars for donuts that you are seeing a whole lot more vaccine and medical commercials. That's the media’s kickback. Running 24/7 fear porn for a price. You do also realize these vaccine companies have a long history of killing and maiming and controversy right? I'm not sure why it is so far beyond the realm of thought that they might be at it again.
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Where is started to sound funny to me was when they still suggest taking the vaccine even if you contract covid. That doesnt make sense to me.
 
Some good info in here.

www.deconstructingconventional.com

18 Reasons I Won't Be Getting a Covid Vaccine

A few friends have asked my thoughts on the covid jab(s) so I thought it was time to write an article on the topic.All my friends had not heard most of the details I shared, so I figured you might appreciate hearing some of what I told them.Knowing how contentious this issue is, part of me would...
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KetoMuscles said:
Some good info in here.

www.deconstructingconventional.com

18 Reasons I Won't Be Getting a Covid Vaccine

A few friends have asked my thoughts on the covid jab(s) so I thought it was time to write an article on the topic.All my friends had not heard most of the details I shared, so I figured you might appreciate hearing some of what I told them.Knowing how contentious this issue is, part of me would...
www.deconstructingconventional.com www.deconstructingconventional.com
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That one wasn't too bad. I will have to give it a better read to do it justice.
 
Bagua said:
That one wasn't too bad. I will have to give it a better read to do it justice.
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I didn't read the word sheep in there once, so it's instantly one of the more credible anti-vaccine articles out there LOL He does have some valid points/questions and also has the typical twisting of information to fit his narrative which I find all too common in these arguments.

The one that gets me the most in all of these anti-vaccine arguments is how bad some of these people are with math....110 million recovered, 3 million deaths. That's around a 3% death rate. Meanwhile, influenza is generally estimated at 0.1% and for years we've had people lining up for their flu shots.
 
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