Covid vaccine

Lumberjack

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Also your wrong, the vaccine doesn’t protect you as much as natural immunity does when you’ve had it and gotten over it. The REAL anti bodies from natural protection are better than fake anti bodies from a vaccine.

Pfizer has already admitted that.

you can also whine and bitch all you want, but you still can’t make me get it which is the most satisfying part :) I win.

that is the most fun part to me. All these sheep saying NO! You must!
He’s just butt hurt that he spent all that money on tuition and it still didn’t teach him to use his head and think for himself. Let alone understand what he is reading. Just leaned to regurgitate the propaganda the government and schools spew. The funny thing is how he think they are trying to save us 🤣🤣🤣
 

Lumberjack

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Yeah.. enjoy your ‘win’
🤦‍♂️

And if your going to tell me I’m wrong again, In my own field of expertise, you can post what your credentials are to back up your claims. But I already know you don’t have any here, because reading your post is like listening to a child talk nonsense.

Ignorance, paired with extreme entitlement, is scary.
Post your picture and personal info so you aren’t hiding who you are. Your background means nothing here. You can voice your opinion but by putting others down for theirs, has no place here.
 

Lumberjack

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Not to be argumentative but I think your missing the point. The point is not that vaccinations are bad for you, they are good for you if you are not naturally immune. Also there is the argument of choice, to mandate vaccines unless it is significantly deadly, which covid is not if you look at the death rate in relation to other causes of death (the statistics are subject to manipulation if they are reported by the government as well), and those who are vaccinated can catch and pass the virus on so to argue a mandate I think is contradictory to good common sense. If you want protection, take the vaccine, if you want to become or have become naturally immune then that is your choice. I am impressed with your credentials however I am a BScCS and a B. Commerce, I have my Cma CA, CPA (grad certifications),... I also have a CISA but I don't go around boasting and using my creds to ever get my point across. I got immunized because I did not get the virus and I want to prolong getting it or have a very mild case if I do get it, however I am not opposed to those that chose not to get it, I am very concerned about politicians taking our rights away to chose our path rather than leave us with our rights and freedoms cause the more the politician feel they can take away and get away with they will. And I do not want to live in an Autocratic state, like China and the USA, ( under Biden) which is where everything tends to be going. I would also like to add that these mRNA vaccines have not undergone long term testing or even heavy short term testing to determine significant side effects so I can see some people wanting to go unvaccinated... or do we just believe Pfiser and Moderna cause they are good guys and telling the truth ( we know it's all about sales and profits, maybe not safety cause of all the corporate scandals we have seen before)
Thank you for being curious and level headed brother. This is the kind of attitude we accept here. Not what @Peter Akara is displaying.
 
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Peter Akara

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Not to be argumentative but I think your missing the point. The point is not that vaccinations are bad for you, they are good for you if you are not naturally immune. Also there is the argument of choice, to mandate vaccines unless it is significantly deadly, which covid is not if you look at the death rate in relation to other causes of death (the statistics are subject to manipulation if they are reported by the government as well), and those who are vaccinated can catch and pass the virus on so to argue a mandate I think is contradictory to good common sense. If you want protection, take the vaccine, if you want to become or have become naturally immune then that is your choice. I am impressed with your credentials however I am a BScCS and a B. Commerce, I have my Cma CA, CPA (grad certifications),... I also have a CISA but I don't go around boasting and using my creds to ever get my point across. I got immunized because I did not get the virus and I want to prolong getting it or have a very mild case if I do get it, however I am not opposed to those that chose not to get it, I am very concerned about politicians taking our rights away to chose our path rather than leave us with our rights and freedoms cause the more the politician feel they can take away and get away with they will. And I do not want to live in an Autocratic state, like China and the USA, ( under Biden) which is where everything tends to be going.
Our ICUs are FULL with people wanting to get their own ‘natural immunity’. Misguided, dangerous, expensive.

And for the record, I also believe you shouldn’t be forced to get a vaccine. But your choices do not get to trump public health and the safety of others. So can stay home in your ‘natural immunity’ shelter. You can’t have your cake and eat it too.
 

Cumminstech2

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Yeah.. enjoy your ‘win’
🤦‍♂️

And if your going to tell me I’m wrong again, In my own field of expertise, you can post what your credentials are to back up your claims. But I already know you don’t have any here, because reading your post is like listening to a child talk nonsense.

Ignorance, paired with extreme entitlement, is scary.


How about all of the doctors just as educated, if not more educated than you CLAIM to be. That is just one example.

I don’t have to waste as much as you CLAIM you did on an “education” to know that when the opposition to “science” is censored and they don’t allow religiously exempt people to just get tested or anything else that actually WORKS in place of getting the vaccine (which you can still contract and spread with) then you KNOW it’s not about public health, it’s about compliance.

That is BASIC common sense. Too bad you can’t pay another 100k to learn that in university.
 

Peter Akara

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Post your picture and personal info so you aren’t hiding who you are. Your background means nothing here. You can voice your opinion but by putting others down for theirs, has no place here.
Lol did you really just post this?

My background means nothing unless I post my picture and person information on an anabolic steroid and bodybuilding forum?

Yeah, I knew this was a possibility when I posted some hard truth. And that’s where I end wasting my time in this thread.
 

Lumberjack

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Our ICUs are FULL with people wanting to get their own ‘natural immunity’. Misguided, dangerous, expensive.

And for the record, I also believe you shouldn’t be forced to get a vaccine. But your choices do not get to trump public health and the safety of others. So can stay home in your ‘natural immunity’ shelter. You can’t have your cake and eat it too.
This is funny as i have many family members who work in healthcare. In the icu’s. And more vaccinated people are in there then unvaccinated. You sound like some fake social media person just regurgitating what the government and news are saying. Not to mention all the side affects being pushed under the rug about the vaccine. I now know more people who have died or have gotten very ill from the vaccine. I still do not know anyone personally who has died from covid. Anyone I know who has actually got covid had symptoms of a flue/ cold at most and were fine in less then a week. So will always listen to first hand experience over a government who is trying to control.
 

PGM

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Our ICUs are FULL with people wanting to get their own ‘natural immunity’. Misguided, dangerous, expensive.

And for the record, I also believe you shouldn’t be forced to get a vaccine. But your choices do not get to trump public health and the safety of others. So can stay home in your ‘natural immunity’ shelter. You can’t have your cake and eat it too.
We all have your right to our own opinion. We will agree to disagree.

The scientific data out there is so conflicting from various groups and it is politically skewed people don't know who to believe. Give me accumulated scientific data on the effectiveness of the vaccines over time and natural immunity that is objective then maybe people would trust those that are mandating immunization. So for argument sake ... Trudeau initially support Astrazeneca and stated it was effective initially to get his vaccine numbers up, He killed some people doing this (blood clots), but that's ok, then AZ was withdrawn as an effective vaccine. Hmmmm great information to build trust on. Canadians still voted for the asshole.
 

PGM

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This is funny as i have many family members who work in healthcare. In the icu’s. And more vaccinated people are in there then unvaccinated. You sound like some fake social media person just regurgitating what the government and news are saying. Not to mention all the side affects being pushed under the rug about the vaccine. I now know more people who have died or have gotten very ill from the vaccine. I still do not know anyone personally who has died from covid. Anyone I know who has actually got covid had symptoms of a flue/ cold at most and were fine in less then a week. So will always listen to first hand experience over a government who is trying to control.
Totally agree. Great points
 

Lumberjack

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Lol did you really just post this?

My background means nothing unless I post my picture and person information on an anabolic steroid and bodybuilding forum?

Yeah, I knew this was a possibility when I posted some hard truth. And that’s where I end wasting my time in this thread.
So leave if you are so upset. We don’t need people telling others off for their choices and decisions. You are entitled to yours and that’s it. You cannot tell others how to live their lives.
 
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PGM

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He’s just butt hurt that he spent all that money on tuition and it still didn’t teach him to use his head and think for himself. Let alone understand what he is reading. Just leaned to regurgitate the propaganda the government and schools spew. The funny thing is how he think they are trying to save us 🤣🤣🤣
Yep ... you have to careful these days and try to separate the politically motivated bullshit from the truth which is not so easy these days.
 

Cheapshot

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This thread is a fucking sesspool of misinformation, half truths about d-dimers and trops like you all know what your talking about, and fucking garbage ego’s

Not wanting vaccines because you’ll ‘trust your immune system’. That’s not how it works, Jesus Christ! Modern medicine has gone so far to save *everyone*, it’s ironic that the people it’s protecting are so fucking ignorant that they are fighting against the same system protecting them.

How do I even begin to argue with you, when you don’t know what the fuck your talking about *and* you’ve clearly made up your mind. Good job standing up for what you ‘believe’ — too bad it’s misguided and objectively wrong.

But what do I know?

BSc (Molecular and Cellular Biology),
MSc (Immunology)
MD

Let me know about your 12.5 years of university in this field. And that’s just the training. That’s not including that this is what I do, every day.



Lol 😂 I’d let you find another physician with that attitude. And I’d let you know I’m not “asking”.
My immune system seemed to do pretty good the first time around. Do you think it would hit me harder the 2nd time? That dont seem right to me.
 

RigPig

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I work all over North America, spanning from the The Territories on down to Texas, I have been working straight through this whole pandemic and haven’t seen any place treat Covid the way Canada has from Ontario on East.
Granted I haven’t been to every state or province or Territory.

I personally know a few people that have died from “Covid” but I also know those people lived unhealthy lifestyles to begin with. Covid got them before their life choices did.

I believe that peoples reactions to this are greatly influenced by their surroundings and the media. If you live in a place that is in constant fear, there is a great chance you will eventually land there too.
Education or not, that doesn’t make you any less susceptible than anyone else to all the panic.
Covid-19 and how to treat it is only 20 months
Bet you weren’t a pro on Covid 2 years ago, you still aren’t.
You do you, I’ll do me and in a few years we can have a beer and laugh about how ridiculous this all was for a specific group.
At the end of it all, one of us will be right and the other will be wrong. If this is as bad as you think it is, there will be less of my kind around and you’ll live a happier life with your kind.
 

Peter Akara

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This is funny as i have many family members who work in healthcare. In the icu’s. And more vaccinated people are in there then unvaccinated. You sound like some fake social media person just regurgitating what the government and news are saying. Not to mention all the side affects being pushed under the rug about the vaccine. I now know more people who have died or have gotten very ill from the vaccine. I still do not know anyone personally who has died from covid. Anyone I know who has actually got covid had symptoms of a flue/ cold at most and were fine in less then a week. So will always listen to first hand experience over a government who is trying to control.

You are a liar. An uneducated, liar.

Source:
  • 85.9% of cases (176,180/205,011) since Jan 1, 2021 were unvaccinated or diagnosed within two weeks from the first dose immunization date
  • 85.7% of hospitalized cases (8,259/9,639) since Jan 1, 2021 were unvaccinated or diagnosed within two weeks from the first dose immunization date
  • 78% of COVID-19 deaths (1,013/1,298) since Jan 1, 2021 were unvaccinated or diagnosed within two weeks from the first dose immunization date
And from Sept 23
"Alberta's Chief Medical Officer of Health, Dr. Deena Hinshaw, said "100 per cent of new ICU admissions were in Albertans who did not have any vaccine protection."

But as usual with these debates, I'm the one that has to chase around your ridiculous bullshit claims. And by the time I've debunked one, you've already moved onto the next lie. And your only source is some heresay about "family members who work in healthcare. in the icu's". If you ACTUALLY knew people who worked in emerg or ICU's then you'd know your talking bullshit. Let me guess ... something something government. Something something Biden. Save it.

I ACTUALLY work in healthcare and have spent my entire adult life doing THIS. I ACTUALLY have close friends who work ICUs and emerg. My partner is an pediatric and adult emerg nurse. And EVERY. SINGLE. DAY. we are getting new, unvaccinated, very sick people who are needing intubation and transfer to ICU for ventilatory life support.

And @RigPig, you dont get it. This isnt something to come out in the wash years from now. This has been coming 'out' every single fucking day as new people are brought into ICU's, on life support. Many make it through while being proned, face-down, on a ventilator. But lots also dont. And the ones that do, they regret their choices and wish they had got the vaccine. We hear that daily.


And you know what the REAL IRONY is here. When another unvaccinated person gets sick, which happens all day, EVERY DAY. And theres a decent chance it could be one of you.... us 'political' shill doctors that spent all our time and money and still 'didn’t teach him to use his head and think for himself' --- yeah. We will still be here for you, 24/7, to bail you out and keep you monitored daily on life support to give you the best chance possible to pull through and return to your families. 100% covered by public health dollars.

And you wonder why healthcare workers are burnt out from this fucking shit.
 
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Lady XCII

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You are a lair. An uneducated, liar.

Source:
  • 85.9% of cases (176,180/205,011) since Jan 1, 2021 were unvaccinated or diagnosed within two weeks from the first dose immunization date
  • 85.7% of hospitalized cases (8,259/9,639) since Jan 1, 2021 were unvaccinated or diagnosed within two weeks from the first dose immunization date
  • 78% of COVID-19 deaths (1,013/1,298) since Jan 1, 2021 were unvaccinated or diagnosed within two weeks from the first dose immunization date
And from Sept 23
"Alberta's Chief Medical Officer of Health, Dr. Deena Hinshaw, said "100 per cent of new ICU admissions were in Albertans who did not have any vaccine protection."

But as usual with these debates, I'm the one that has to chase around your ridiculous bullshit claims. And by the time I've debunked one, you've already moved onto the next lie. And your only source is some heresay about "family members who work in healthcare. in the icu's". If you ACTUALLY knew people who worked in emerg or ICU's then you'd know your talking bullshit. Let me guess ... something something government. Something something Biden. Save it.

I ACTUALLY work in healthcare and have spent my entire adult life doing THIS. I ACTUALLY have close friends who work ICUs and emerg. My partner is an pediatric and adult emerg nurse. And EVERY. SINGLE. DAY. we are getting new, unvaccinated, very sick people who are needing intubation and transfer to ICU for ventilatory life support.

And @RigPig, you dont get it. This isnt something to come out in the wash years from now. This has been coming 'out' every single fucking day as new people are brought into ICU's, on life support. Many make it through while being proned, face-down, on a ventilator. But lots also dont. And the ones that do, they regret their choices and wish they had got the vaccine. We hear that daily.


And you know what the REAL IRONY is here. When another unvaccinated person gets sick, which happens all day, EVERY DAY. And theres a decent chance it could be one of you.... us 'political' shill doctors that spent all our time and money and still 'didn’t teach him to use his head and think for himself' --- yeah. We will still be here for you, 24/7, to bail you out and keep you monitored daily on life support to give you the best chance possible to pull through and return to your families. 100% covered by public health dollars.

And you wonder why healthcare workers are burnt out from this fucking shit.
You need to stop pushing your believes on others. We have the right to choose if we want the covid shot or not. If you don't want to see our choices on here then stop looking at the this thread
 

Cumminstech2

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You are a liar. An uneducated, liar.

Source:
  • 85.9% of cases (176,180/205,011) since Jan 1, 2021 were unvaccinated or diagnosed within two weeks from the first dose immunization date
  • 85.7% of hospitalized cases (8,259/9,639) since Jan 1, 2021 were unvaccinated or diagnosed within two weeks from the first dose immunization date
  • 78% of COVID-19 deaths (1,013/1,298) since Jan 1, 2021 were unvaccinated or diagnosed within two weeks from the first dose immunization date
And from Sept 23
"Alberta's Chief Medical Officer of Health, Dr. Deena Hinshaw, said "100 per cent of new ICU admissions were in Albertans who did not have any vaccine protection."

But as usual with these debates, I'm the one that has to chase around your ridiculous bullshit claims. And by the time I've debunked one, you've already moved onto the next lie. And your only source is some heresay about "family members who work in healthcare. in the icu's". If you ACTUALLY knew people who worked in emerg or ICU's then you'd know your talking bullshit. Let me guess ... something something government. Something something Biden. Save it.

I ACTUALLY work in healthcare and have spent my entire adult life doing THIS. I ACTUALLY have close friends who work ICUs and emerg. My partner is an pediatric and adult emerg nurse. And EVERY. SINGLE. DAY. we are getting new, unvaccinated, very sick people who are needing intubation and transfer to ICU for ventilatory life support.

And @RigPig, you dont get it. This isnt something to come out in the wash years from now. This has been coming 'out' every single fucking day as new people are brought into ICU's, on life support. Many make it through while being proned, face-down, on a ventilator. But lots also dont. And the ones that do, they regret their choices and wish they had got the vaccine. We hear that daily.


And you know what the REAL IRONY is here. When another unvaccinated person gets sick, which happens all day, EVERY DAY. And theres a decent chance it could be one of you.... us 'political' shill doctors that spent all our time and money and still 'didn’t teach him to use his head and think for himself' --- yeah. We will still be here for you, 24/7, to bail you out and keep you monitored daily on life support to give you the best chance possible to pull through and return to your families. 100% covered by public health dollars.

And you wonder why healthcare workers are burnt out from this fucking shit.

You’ve disproved nothing, all you’ve done is whine and bitch

and I’m still not getting it so neener neener 😝 you lose I win
 

Cheapshot

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You are a lair. An uneducated, liar.

Source:
  • 85.9% of cases (176,180/205,011) since Jan 1, 2021 were unvaccinated or diagnosed within two weeks from the first dose immunization date
  • 85.7% of hospitalized cases (8,259/9,639) since Jan 1, 2021 were unvaccinated or diagnosed within two weeks from the first dose immunization date
  • 78% of COVID-19 deaths (1,013/1,298) since Jan 1, 2021 were unvaccinated or diagnosed within two weeks from the first dose immunization date
And from Sept 23
"Alberta's Chief Medical Officer of Health, Dr. Deena Hinshaw, said "100 per cent of new ICU admissions were in Albertans who did not have any vaccine protection."

But as usual with these debates, I'm the one that has to chase around your ridiculous bullshit claims. And by the time I've debunked one, you've already moved onto the next lie. And your only source is some heresay about "family members who work in healthcare. in the icu's". If you ACTUALLY knew people who worked in emerg or ICU's then you'd know your talking bullshit. Let me guess ... something something government. Something something Biden. Save it.

I ACTUALLY work in healthcare and have spent my entire adult life doing THIS. I ACTUALLY have close friends who work ICUs and emerg. My partner is an pediatric and adult emerg nurse. And EVERY. SINGLE. DAY. we are getting new, unvaccinated, very sick people who are needing intubation and transfer to ICU for ventilatory life support.

And @RigPig, you dont get it. This isnt something to come out in the wash years from now. This has been coming 'out' every single fucking day as new people are brought into ICU's, on life support. Many make it through while being proned on a ventilator. But lots also dont. And the ones thats do, they regret their choices and wish they had got the vaccine. We hear that daily.


And you know what the REAL IRONY is here. When another unvaccinated person gets sick, which happens all day, EVERY DAY. And theres a decent chance it could be one of you.... us 'political' shill doctors that spent all our time and money and still 'didn’t teach him to use his head and think for himself' --- yeah. We will still be here to bail you out and keep you monitored daily on life support to give you the best chance possible to pull through and return to your families. 100% covered by public health dollars.

And you wonder why healthcare workers are burnt out from this fucking shit.
I see you avoided my earlier question. So i will ask if this is bs as well? Everything I read seems to say the same thing.. must be all conspiracy shitScreenshot_20211012-112003_Chrome.jpg
 
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OntarioMuscle101

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This thread is a fucking sesspool of misinformation, half truths about d-dimers and trops like you all know what your talking about, and fucking garbage ego’s

Not wanting vaccines because you’ll ‘trust your immune system’. That’s not how it works, Jesus Christ! Modern medicine has gone so far to save *everyone*, it’s ironic that the people it’s protecting are so fucking ignorant that they are fighting against the same system protecting them.

How do I even begin to argue with you, when you don’t know what the fuck your talking about *and* you’ve clearly made up your mind. Good job standing up for what you ‘believe’ — too bad it’s misguided and objectively wrong.

But what do I know?

BSc (Molecular and Cellular Biology),
MSc (Immunology)
MD

Let me know about your 12.5 years of university in this field. And that’s just the training. That’s not including that this is what I do, every day.



Lol 😂 I’d let you find another physician with that attitude. And I’d let you know I’m not “asking”.
You would understand if you knew the doctors I have to deal with at the CFHS. With a history of misdiagnosed injuries, yes you can say that I have a bad attitude towards them.
 

RigPig

Moderator
You are a liar. An uneducated, liar.

Source:
  • 85.9% of cases (176,180/205,011) since Jan 1, 2021 were unvaccinated or diagnosed within two weeks from the first dose immunization date
  • 85.7% of hospitalized cases (8,259/9,639) since Jan 1, 2021 were unvaccinated or diagnosed within two weeks from the first dose immunization date
  • 78% of COVID-19 deaths (1,013/1,298) since Jan 1, 2021 were unvaccinated or diagnosed within two weeks from the first dose immunization date
And from Sept 23
"Alberta's Chief Medical Officer of Health, Dr. Deena Hinshaw, said "100 per cent of new ICU admissions were in Albertans who did not have any vaccine protection."

But as usual with these debates, I'm the one that has to chase around your ridiculous bullshit claims. And by the time I've debunked one, you've already moved onto the next lie. And your only source is some heresay about "family members who work in healthcare. in the icu's". If you ACTUALLY knew people who worked in emerg or ICU's then you'd know your talking bullshit. Let me guess ... something something government. Something something Biden. Save it.

I ACTUALLY work in healthcare and have spent my entire adult life doing THIS. I ACTUALLY have close friends who work ICUs and emerg. My partner is an pediatric and adult emerg nurse. And EVERY. SINGLE. DAY. we are getting new, unvaccinated, very sick people who are needing intubation and transfer to ICU for ventilatory life support.

And @RigPig, you dont get it. This isnt something to come out in the wash years from now. This has been coming 'out' every single fucking day as new people are brought into ICU's, on life support. Many make it through while being proned, face-down, on a ventilator. But lots also dont. And the ones that do, they regret their choices and wish they had got the vaccine. We hear that daily.


And you know what the REAL IRONY is here. When another unvaccinated person gets sick, which happens all day, EVERY DAY. And theres a decent chance it could be one of you.... us 'political' shill doctors that spent all our time and money and still 'didn’t teach him to use his head and think for himself' --- yeah. We will still be here for you, 24/7, to bail you out and keep you monitored daily on life support to give you the best chance possible to pull through and return to your families. 100% covered by public health dollars.

And you wonder why healthcare workers are burnt out from this fucking shit.
The real irony is you bitch about doing your job, you signed up for it. I haven’t seen the inside of a hospital in over 10 years, when I do it’s for stitches or a cast. I don’t have a family doctor.
I’m not a strain on the system and you fuckin better be there to bail us out, Tax dollars pay you to be you angry fuck.
Stop bitching and do what you’re paid to do.
if you’re burnt out it’s cause you’re in over your head. In 12 years of school, didn’t the tell you there would be hard days? Suck it up
 

KetoMuscles

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This thread is a fucking sesspool of misinformation, half truths about d-dimers and trops like you all know what your talking about, and fucking garbage ego’s

Not wanting vaccines because you’ll ‘trust your immune system’. That’s not how it works, Jesus Christ! Modern medicine has gone so far to save *everyone*, it’s ironic that the people it’s protecting are so fucking ignorant that they are fighting against the same system protecting them.

How do I even begin to argue with you, when you don’t know what the fuck your talking about *and* you’ve clearly made up your mind. Good job standing up for what you ‘believe’ — too bad it’s misguided and objectively wrong.

But what do I know?

BSc (Molecular and Cellular Biology),
MSc (Immunology)
MD

Let me know about your 12.5 years of university in this field. And that’s just the training. That’s not including that this is what I do, every day.



Lol 😂 I’d let you find another physician with that attitude. And I’d let you know I’m not “asking”.
And yet somehow I don’t feel it’s my ego on display anywhere here.
 
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