Covid vaccine

Grindtight

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If you were able to get the Astra zeneca vaccine would you.Seems I'm eligible next week but the bad press it has makes me wonder.
 

Heraclitus

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This statement from Doctors for Covid Ethics is concerning.

Clotting and bleeding after vaccination can also “be expected to increase with each re-vaccination, and each intervening coronavirus exposure” the group warned. Over time “this renders both repeated vaccination and common coronaviruses dangerous to young and healthy age groups, for whom — in the absence of ‘vaccination’ — COVID-19 poses no substantive risk.
 

Bagua

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My girlfriend and her family got the Astra-Zeneca Vaccine and got mild sides of chills and nausea. That is only five people; therefore, obviously very anecdotal. Bear in mind every med or vaccine has the potential for adverse reactions, and sometimes these can be serious. Do your homework from reputable sources.
 

KetoMuscles

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I recommend waiting until after they complete the human trials and they deem it safe. Until then we have no idea just how dangerous it is or how severe and prevalent the adverse reactions are. Or what the short term or long term effects will be.
Hard no until they complete the safety trials.
 

IronRobi

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The vaccine has been rushed out. Others can be the lab rats that want it.
I'm not convinced it's "rushed", even with it being so quick to market. I'm a believer in the advancements of science and technology. Just look at the computation power that was available to us as a society in 2010 compared to what we have today. Technology has been advancing at an exponential rate, and when the top scientific brains in the world are all working towards one goal using this advanced technology I truly believe they can produce results in a significantly shorter timeframe than they would have with previous vaccines.

Typically you'll have Lab A working on Vaccine A, Lab B on Vaccine B, Lab C may also be working on A but while still working on vaccine C, etc.. etc.. That hasn't been the case here. There's also been crowdsourcing of computing power where people have been using their idle GPU's to lend support to these projects. The scale of work on this vaccine has been so large, I think the timeline is appropriate.

I also believe there will be a time, maybe not in our lifetime but within the next 100 years, where a vaccine will be able to be produced almost overnight.

This statement from Doctors for Covid Ethics is concerning.
You realize you're quoting from an "organization" that hasn't even spent the $9.95 to register their own domain name right? That hardly screams credible to me.

As a response to the OP's question.... no I don't think I would. While the AZ vaccine doesn't inject you with COVID-19, it does inject you with a modified strand of the cold similar to your regular flu shot. I much prefer the method used by the Pfizer vaccine. Although at around 20% of the cost with a much easier distribution route, I feel the AZ vaccine will be the front runner chosen by most governments.
 

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I'm not convinced it's "rushed", even with it being so quick to market. I'm a believer in the advancements of science and technology. Just look at the computation power that was available to us as a society in 2010 compared to what we have today. Technology has been advancing at an exponential rate, and when the top scientific brains in the world are all working towards one goal using this advanced technology I truly believe they can produce results in a significantly shorter timeframe than they would have with previous vaccines.

Typically you'll have Lab A working on Vaccine A, Lab B on Vaccine B, Lab C may also be working on A but while still working on vaccine C, etc.. etc.. That hasn't been the case here. There's also been crowdsourcing of computing power where people have been using their idle GPU's to lend support to these projects. The scale of work on this vaccine has been so large, I think the timeline is appropriate.

I also believe there will be a time, maybe not in our lifetime but within the next 100 years, where a vaccine will be able to be produced almost overnight.


You realize you're quoting from an "organization" that hasn't even spent the $9.95 to register their own domain name right? That hardly screams credible to me.

As a response to the OP's question.... no I don't think I would. While the AZ vaccine doesn't inject you with COVID-19, it does inject you with a modified strand of the cold similar to your regular flu shot. I much prefer the method used by the Pfizer vaccine. Although at around 20% of the cost with a much easier distribution route, I feel the AZ vaccine will be the front runner chosen by most governments.


Ok sure it's debatable that perhaps it wasnt rushed out.

What isnt debatable is that we have zero data of what possible long term side effects could arise. To argue this would be laughable.

That being said perhaps the reward outweighs the risk. Time will tell I guess.
 

Heraclitus

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You realize you're quoting from an "organization" that hasn't even spent the $9.95 to register their own domain name right? That hardly screams credible to me.
I'm interested in the stockroom, not the showroom.
as for credibility, look at the signatories CV's. This is the group that predicted the coagulation problem prior to the AZ issues.
priming seems a very credible mechanism to me. Simple D-dimer tests will tell if they are full of shit or not.
 
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KetoMuscles

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I'm not convinced it's "rushed", even with it being so quick to market. I'm a believer in the advancements of science and technology. Just look at the computation power that was available to us as a society in 2010 compared to what we have today. Technology has been advancing at an exponential rate, and when the top scientific brains in the world are all working towards one goal using this advanced technology I truly believe they can produce results in a significantly shorter timeframe than they would have with previous vaccines.

Typically you'll have Lab A working on Vaccine A, Lab B on Vaccine B, Lab C may also be working on A but while still working on vaccine C, etc.. etc.. That hasn't been the case here. There's also been crowdsourcing of computing power where people have been using their idle GPU's to lend support to these projects. The scale of work on this vaccine has been so large, I think the timeline is appropriate.

I also believe there will be a time, maybe not in our lifetime but within the next 100 years, where a vaccine will be able to be produced almost overnight.


You realize you're quoting from an "organization" that hasn't even spent the $9.95 to register their own domain name right? That hardly screams credible to me.

As a response to the OP's question.... no I don't think I would. While the AZ vaccine doesn't inject you with COVID-19, it does inject you with a modified strand of the cold similar to your regular flu shot. I much prefer the method used by the Pfizer vaccine. Although at around 20% of the cost with a much easier distribution route, I feel the AZ vaccine will be the front runner chosen by most governments.
Bullshit!!!
Any product that gets pushed into the market before it has passed all the minimum safety tests and protocols is rushed. Let’s use technology examples. Imagine they were working on a new braking technology for vehicles. It’s been in the works for 20 years. They’ve never actually put the product out on the market because it has continuously failed the trials.
Suddenly, due to a shortage of brake pads the world’s governments tell automakers to switch to these new untested and unproven braking systems. Accidents start happening. People start getting hurt. Most of this gets covered up or deemed coincidental and unrelated.
Sounds “rushed” and irresponsible to me.
Especially since theres no data that can give any indication if the fix is safer or far worse than the problem.
 

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KetoMuscles

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There are lots of articles out there similar to this.

Another reminder: Vaccines are required to undergo less rigorous and comprehensive safety protocols as medications.
Any and all products that comes to market prior to meeting all the minimum safety tests and standards (especially already reduced ) is rushed.
If you take one of these cov products you are enrolling yourself in Experimental Human Trials because they were skipped, bipassed, avoided short cutted over and around. Neglected. Why? Because even though they have been in the works for decades, and it is not new, they have never successfully passed Phase 4 human trials!!
 

Heraclitus

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Our bodies are effective at responding appropriately to infectious agents by inhalation, ingestion and dermal abrasion.
Microbiologist Professor Yuen Kwok Yung took his Biontech-Fosun (Pfizer) shot by Intra-dermal injection.
Lab result shows he has more antibody than his coworker who took the shot at the same time using intramuscular injection.

ID is more effective requires lower dosage and eliminates the clotting problem.
It does have its own issues, but on surface seems a more sensible way to administer this particular inoculant.
 

Bagua

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There are lots of articles out there similar to this.

Another reminder: Vaccines are required to undergo less rigorous and comprehensive safety protocols as medications.
Any and all products that comes to market prior to meeting all the minimum safety tests and standards (especially already reduced ) is rushed.
If you take one of these cov products you are enrolling yourself in Experimental Human Trials because they were skipped, bipassed, avoided short cutted over and around. Neglected. Why? Because even though they have been in the works for decades, and it is not new, they have never successfully passed Phase 4 human trials!!
You know what they say about opinions.
 

Cheapshot

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Isnt the astra zeka only like 63% effective? Thats terrible imo.. I will wait for one to actually get approved by health canada I think. With all the variations of this virus it seems kinda pointless since they are already changing gears and talking about a new vaccine that protects against all variations.
 

Bagua

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Isnt the astra zeka only like 63% effective? Thats terrible imo.. I will wait for one to actually get approved by health canada I think. With all the variations of this virus it seems kinda pointless since they are already changing gears and talking about a new vaccine that protects against all variations.
Good point but we may never get one vaccine that covers all variants as COVID keeps tricking us. It's kind of interesting.
 

KetoMuscles

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You know what they say about opinions.
I sure do. I also recognize the irony in recommending people choose reliable sources for their information then posting 2 propaganda shill pieces to reference.
Might as well post a couple of that Cape Breton guys reviews so we can see how awesome bt is. Obviously he would get paid a whole lot less.
Although my article is listed as an opinion piece it contains far more pertinent information and references more studies than those two glossy showroom product catalogues.
In fairness though your articles do mention a few important facts. a) That it has been in the works for decades. Just never proven safe. b) they like this technology more because it can be produced faster and cheaper for them, c) the only reason these ones are out is because of the sheer amount of money involved. d) that they are only out because they stoped at phase III trials as opposed to the required phase IV. e) they are only released under EUA's
I really think if these products were being released from ugl's they would be run out of town pdq. Actually they are a lot like that other site. They pay shills for good reviews, delete and censor negative reviews. Profit is more important than your safety. They don't care how many people they hurt as long as sales keep going. Oh ya, and after they get enough bad publicity from adverse events, they change the name of their product.
On a board that promotes health and wellness, harm reduction and promotes knowledge of risk/reward and diminishing returns, what possible logical reason would there be to risk taking these unproven products?
In Canada, we have listed 23,287 deaths out of 1,052,545 cases. That means even if you caught it, you have 99.9778% survival rate. They can't even tell you if you have those same high odds of surviving the jab! It also doesn't take into consideration the breakdown in demographics or at risk categories. Why risk the health and wellbeing of 100% of the population with experimental human trials instead of protecting the 0.02% at risk people?
They are coming after the kids next! Wt actual F!! The demographic that doesn't get sick or even build a viral load heavy enough to become contagious. Better gmo them!
Where's the science? Where's the logic? Where's the common sense? All I see is profit motives, control motives and fear mongering.
forgot to add my reference site. https://www.covid-19canada.com
 

KetoMuscles

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Isnt the astra zeka only like 63% effective? Thats terrible imo.. I will wait for one to actually get approved by health canada I think. With all the variations of this virus it seems kinda pointless since they are already changing gears and talking about a new vaccine that protects against all variations.
Here is another excellent reason to stay tf away from these unproven shots. No proof they work in the future. No proof they last. No proof they are safe.
And yet here's nature for the win again. Our own immune systems do it all.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33594378/

Oh ya, and add VitD and our immune systems are even more effective than their shots at reducing symptoms.
 

Cheapshot

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Here is another excellent reason to stay tf away from these unproven shots. No proof they work in the future. No proof they last. No proof they are safe.
And yet here's nature for the win again. Our own immune systems do it all.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33594378/

Oh ya, and add VitD and our immune systems are even more effective than their shots at reducing symptoms.
I didn't read that whole link bit I do remember reading a study and it was something very crazy like 99.9% of deaths from covid had low levels of vitamin D. I will try and find it but it was mind blowing to me something so simple can possibly save us.
 
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