Blood work Tuesday morning.

Cain

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Its been 7 years since I've run a cycle or used any replacements the first couple years I went around the bend a few times. Life happened and I forgot everything about who I am, who I WAS. It became the darkest times of my life.

There where days I sat in the same place and just thought to myself who the hell am I and whats happening to my head? Is this life, is this old age is this worth living for? Most days I sat with loaded 12ga ready for that moment ive made my choice.
I looked at everything I had achieved and grown into a functional entity and said to myself I would give it all away to be whole again.

The doctor put me on meds for depression and anxiety, the drugs turned off what little bit of joy I could grab out of each day. They numbed me to a point I stopped thinking about what day would be my last.

The body pain I was in was what the doctors focused on the most. I had just had a major accident a few months before and they chalked my head problems with my pain issues and started me on Lyrica to numb my nerves endings. It worked for a couple months and I was feeling almost a live again.

Doc wanted to up my dose and that was a hard No.
I turned to cannabis for relief of the pain it worked to degree but it also gave me a sense of joy a relief from the brain fog that was with me every moment of every second I was awake.

It still wasn't enough. I couldn't collect my thoughts long enough to figure out what the fuck was happening.

Now all this time not once did my doc check my hormone levels I wasn't cognitive enough to even ask. I thought this is now my life I may as well try and make it to the next day with something to look forward to. I started a new business with a partner and tried to move on.

I hadn't left my home in almost 18 months. I was terrified of being in public for my own safety and others around me. My explosive pain and anger was triggered at a post office as I was lodging a complaint against a driver that almost hit my dog. A new puppy that stole my heart when Cyto passed away 4 months prior.
I snapped as another customer laughed. Cops arrived, I was removed. This wasn't me.

I went to my doc and asked for help again. Nothing. He said you need a psychiatrist.

He did nothing but tell me to got to the hospital if needed so I stayed home. I didn't go to work, I stayed home. I wouldn't go to the grocery store nothing for almost 18 months.

It was close to Xmas and I wanted some things I couldn't find on line while shopping. I felt good and decided I can handle shit and went to Walmart.
I snapped and was taken to the hospital for evaluation and set up with a shrink.

Instant blood test.
But no mention of my hormone levels. I wasn't thinking about hormones or any of the symptoms because the doctors pushed depression anxiety and chronic pain disorder on me. This was because of all the other shit im not mentioning.
I was labeled with ptsd and tossed into therapy and meetings weekly. All while thinking what the fuck is wrong with me.

I was unpacking some things from when I moved into my new place 5 years ago. Things that get shoved under the stairs and forgotten. I came across my old androgel prescription from 2016. I decided what the hell I use it for a week. It was enough to clear the fog and things started to connect again.
I'm going to cut to the end here, I found other items from back in the day that fired up a few more brain cells. I hopped on the boards for some advice privately about some business plans. Things started to move again and come together.

I set up my account with life labs to review my blood results and each test I could see all had test levels with a warning ⚠️ attached to them.
The lowest I add as far back as 2016 was 103ng I demanded more blood work and received a result of 196ng with free test of 11.2
Keep in mind this was after a week of using androgel. Where was my levels prior to my stupid not stupid move. Doctor said I was fine. I told him straight up he was incorrect. I had another choice and that was get the shrink to set me up. There was still no guarantee he would.

I was at the point with the doctors I couldn't articulate what my symptoms are. I couldn't describe the agony as singular.
I have blood work Tuesday set up by tru balance.
I've stopped using androgel 7 days ago. Bloody hell I feel like shit all over again.
Brain Fog and pain that wasn't there has returned.
The memories are distant and smothered in haze.
Once the bloods are taken I know I'll be wanting to get rolling.
What are the thoughts of those that are running trt. Would you start a small protocol or would you wait for the advice from the trt nurses?

I know how I arrived here, the time line adds up but thats another book thats still private.
Maybe once I've fixed my thoughts and can type it out ill share.
I hope I didn't bore anyone. Lol
 
I would like you to do a full panel like this and bring back the results, your answers will be in these labs.
After we see labs we can all give you a better answer.

Immune system
immunoglobulin and all sub classes


Inflammation markers
Crp
Esr
Creatine kinase


Liver markers
Ast
Alt
Ggt
Alp
Bilirubin

Shbg
Albumin

Kidney markers
Egfr
Cystatin c - filtration of Kidneys
Creatine

Full iron panel
Iron
Ferritin
Trans ferritin
Uibc
Tibc

Full thyroid panel need all a must.
Ft4
Ft3
Tsh

Selenium
Iodine
Copper

Folate
B12
Magnesium
Zinc
Aldosterone
Homocysteine
Calcium
Phosphate


Blood markers for heavy metals
Mercury
Lead
Aluminum.

Full hormones panel
Prolactin
Pregnenolone
Progesterone
Estrogen
Testosterone
Dhea
Dht

Full cbc blood panel


Cortisol section panel
Cortisol am and pm
Acth
Cbg- cortisol binding globulin

Sodium
Potassium

Blood sugar panels.
HbA1c
•Fasting Insulin
•Fasting glucose
 
This looks like exactly like whats on the requisition form. Ill have the result pretty soon and I'll share the results when I receive them.
Thanks for the feed back, it's pointing in the right direction.
 
Honestly, docs are the worse, i had one almost kill me, said same thing your fine, eat better and sleep more.

One doc gave me a ppi which i threw oit on way out.

And i just went into a clinic the other day to get hydrocortisone, and he didnt no the conversion rate from pred to hydrocortisone and then he proceeded to tell me some of my markers were good, when i garuntee they were were not, when i told him it wasmt good and why he cocked his head at me like a stupied fucker.

I said go fuck yourself and walked out. Thats the truth. I learned to fix my self because we cant get help anymore and medical practices are out dated.
 
I feel the exact same way about the doctor I have now. My old doctor passed away in 2015 that was treating me back then.
The first doctor I went to in 2016 as my new doctor lasted till I received the blood test and she wouldn't continue treatment. Decided to go to my wife's doctor and he prescribed 3 months and as soon as bloods came back slightly above low. 213 he said I was good and that was that.

It should be mandatory these doctors all get brought up to speed in relation to whats exceptable normal in some is not for others.
Thats another fight lol.
 
B12 220
Ferritin HI 329
Hemoglobin A1C total 5.8
Creatine HI 126
Glomerualr filtration 59
TsH 3.08
T3 4.3
T4 11
Thyroglubulin antibody <10
Insulin fasting HI 202
Calcium 2.39
Magnesium .81
Alkaline p 71
Gama glutamyl transfer 24
Alanine 40
Cortisol am 438

Prolactin 13.1
LH 4.2
FSH 5.4
Prostate specific antigin 5.7
C reactive proteins 2.1
Dhea s 6.2
Estradiol 58
Hydroxy vitamin D Lo 56

Test 196
Free 11
Looks like the making of a heart attack if I don't get shit sorted out soon.
I see the trt nurse on the 18th so ill wait.
Admittedly my diet sucks.
6 foot 1 inch
235lbs
46 yrs
 
B12 220
Ferritin HI 329
Hemoglobin A1C total 5.8
Creatine HI 126
Glomerualr filtration 59
TsH 3.08
T3 4.3
T4 11
Thyroglubulin antibody Insulin fasting HI 202
Calcium 2.39
Magnesium .81
Alkaline p 71
Gama glutamyl transfer 24
Alanine 40
Cortisol am 438

Prolactin 13.1
LH 4.2
FSH 5.4
Prostate specific antigin 5.7
C reactive proteins 2.1
Dhea s 6.2
Estradiol 58
Hydroxy vitamin D Lo 56

Test 196
Free 11
Looks like the making of a heart attack if I don't get shit sorted out soon.
I see the trt nurse on the 18th so ill wait.
Admittedly my diet sucks.
6 foot 1 inch
235lbs
46 yrs

PSA is worth investing further. Everything over 3 requires an understanding of why. Want to rule out prostate cancer

Ferritin too high… need to donate and address diet. Is your hemoglobin or platelets high also?

Test is low but add trt without dealing with the two above could be risky

Dhea is low and supplementing will address the high cortisol. But don’t supplement until psa addressed.

How is your lipids?

Hope this helps…this blood work identifies a number of things you should address and investigate


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PSA is worth investing further. Everything over 3 requires an understanding of why. Want to rule out prostate cancer

Ferritin too high… need to donate and address diet. Is your hemoglobin or platelets high also?

Test is low but add trt without dealing with the two above could be risky

Dhea is low and supplementing will address the high cortisol. But don’t supplement until psa addressed.

How is your lipids?

Hope this helps…this blood work identifies a number of things you should address and investigate


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My HDL is hi 7.8
LDL 5.16
Hemoglobin is Hi 178
Hematocrit Hi .512

I'm working on the diet Its been pretty rough for a while. Ferritin is setting off bells.
It explains a little more then I had yesterday.
Lupus is in the Genes.
 
My HDL is hi 7.8
LDL 5.16
Hemoglobin is Hi 178
Hematocrit Hi .512

I'm working on the diet Its been pretty rough for a while. Ferritin is setting off bells.
It explains a little more then I had yesterday.
Lupus is in the Genes.

Yes need to get LDL under 2.5. Diet plus fish oil and cardio

The high hemoglobin and high iron is a warning

At least you caught it all early and have a chance to remediate.

Personally I would not add TRT until address, as it will Exasperate some of the High readings


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Best of luck getting your issues sorted out. Not all doctors are bad - some care and like all professions some are great and some are not. They make mistakes as they are human beings and I'm not making excuses for them. Its good you are trying to take your own health into your own hands but no matter how much reading do - unless there is a doctor here and I don;t know of any, it is hard to compete with 8 years of medical training around the clock. I love reading medical studies and books but in no way can I hold a candle to a good internal medicine specialist.

I am sorry for what you went through/are going through and I will caution you strongly on Lyrica - doctors go by the recommendations to stop the drug and do it in weeks when you should titrate it down over months. Just look up Lyrica withdrawal. Many write it is worse than stopping a prescribed narcotic or benzo.

You sound like you were in a dark place and you should keep looking for a doctor you can trust and relate to. Getting medical advice on a forum isn't always the best advice - nothing wrong with getting people's opinions but keep in mind no matter how much they can regurgitate numbers off the web or a book, it doesn't mean they understand it.

There are a few guys here who have a lot of medical knowledge and I would suggest listening to what they have to say - @gondar1 and @Bagua and I'm sure there are more but please don't try to self treat anything that had you in such a dark place you were contemplating taking your own life.

Wishing you the best and I hope you find a doctor you can trust and develop a rapport with.

GR
 
Best of luck getting your issues sorted out. Not all doctors are bad - some care and like all professions some are great and some are not. They make mistakes as they are human beings and I'm not making excuses for them. Its good you are trying to take your own health into your own hands but no matter how much reading do - unless there is a doctor here and I don;t know of any, it is hard to compete with 8 years of medical training around the clock. I love reading medical studies and books but in no way can I hold a candle to a good internal medicine specialist.

I am sorry for what you went through/are going through and I will caution you strongly on Lyrica - doctors go by the recommendations to stop the drug and do it in weeks when you should titrate it down over months. Just look up Lyrica withdrawal. Many write it is worse than stopping a prescribed narcotic or benzo.

You sound like you were in a dark place and you should keep looking for a doctor you can trust and relate to. Getting medical advice on a forum isn't always the best advice - nothing wrong with getting people's opinions but keep in mind no matter how much they can regurgitate numbers off the web or a book, it doesn't mean they understand it.

There are a few guys here who have a lot of medical knowledge and I would suggest listening to what they have to say - @gondar1 and @Bagua and I'm sure there are more but please don't try to self treat anything that had you in such a dark place you were contemplating taking your own life.

Wishing you the best and I hope you find a doctor you can trust and develop a rapport with.

GR
Thank you @Goldenrod.

I am definitely still searching for a doctor that is going to listen to my needs. My old doctor was excellent for sitting and discussing how I was feeling physically and mentally.
I'll find a good doctor soon I'm sure.

Trust me when I say I'm not seeking medical advice from internet forums. This is the only forum you'll find this information or even me. I trust Bull and I trust CB as a safe place to discuss my private well being. Ive been following this group around for at least 12 years.
I was a very active member years back and thats my goal again. Be active on here and get back to being healthy. You all are motivation for me.

The Lyrica was a last resort. I was extremely resistant to using it because of the side effects.
Each week the shrink would try to talk me into it. When I angrily asked him why he's pushing this drug onto me? He told me, so I can understand whats causing my pain. I had an accident that wrecked my hip flexors and groin abduction muscles. I was bruised for 9 moths almost a year before it faded.
I was so angry at everything and everyone I couldn't collect my thoughts and form dialog. All I could do was yell and act out.
I was on Lyrica for 1 year and weened off the drug over the course of 2 months.

I was staying awake for days sometimes close to a full week before I would crash and sleep for a few hours and then be awake and going again. My body never healed over the down time. This deprivation moved me to a very dark very lonely place. Thats all in the past.
I see the shrink next week. Still going monthly. Helps me destress from work and life and he's actively trying to assist. He knows how I feel about the current GP and has also suggested I start looking for a new doctor.

The trt nurses that ordered the blood panel, I'm not sure what their suggestions are going to be but ill wait and see what they say on the 18th Aug.
One thing ill definitely have to mention is the gallbladder that turned gangrene. This may be a factor into figuring out my health.

I searched out a couple of things that started to lead me down a hypochondriac road but I quickly said this is the worset case possibility.
Thats the last thing I need to do to myself. I have week to wait for my sit down.

This did however make me take a damn good look at my diet. I need to back off on red meats and sandwich meats increase my omega 3 cut the pastas back to once a week.
Thats what I can start with in the mean time. Probably the best way I can start helping myself.

Thank you for your reply, it's definitely the way I'm taking this and will take it all In stride.

Cheers
 
Thank you @Goldenrod.

I am definitely still searching for a doctor that is going to listen to my needs. My old doctor was excellent for sitting and discussing how I was feeling physically and mentally.
I'll find a good doctor soon I'm sure.

Trust me when I say I'm not seeking medical advice from internet forums. This is the only forum you'll find this information or even me. I trust Bull and I trust CB as a safe place to discuss my private well being. Ive been following this group around for at least 12 years.
I was a very active member years back and thats my goal again. Be active on here and get back to being healthy. You all are motivation for me.

The Lyrica was a last resort. I was extremely resistant to using it because of the side effects.
Each week the shrink would try to talk me into it. When I angrily asked him why he's pushing this drug onto me? He told me, so I can understand whats causing my pain. I had an accident that wrecked my hip flexors and groin abduction muscles. I was bruised for 9 moths almost a year before it faded.
I was so angry at everything and everyone I couldn't collect my thoughts and form dialog. All I could do was yell and act out.
I was on Lyrica for 1 year and weened off the drug over the course of 2 months.

I was staying awake for days sometimes close to a full week before I would crash and sleep for a few hours and then be awake and going again. My body never healed over the down time. This deprivation moved me to a very dark very lonely place. Thats all in the past.
I see the shrink next week. Still going monthly. Helps me destress from work and life and he's actively trying to assist. He knows how I feel about the current GP and has also suggested I start looking for a new doctor.

The trt nurses that ordered the blood panel, I'm not sure what their suggestions are going to be but ill wait and see what they say on the 18th Aug.
One thing ill definitely have to mention is the gallbladder that turned gangrene. This may be a factor into figuring out my health.

I searched out a couple of things that started to lead me down a hypochondriac road but I quickly said this is the worset case possibility.
Thats the last thing I need to do to myself. I have week to wait for my sit down.

This did however make me take a damn good look at my diet. I need to back off on red meats and sandwich meats increase my omega 3 cut the pastas back to once a week.
Thats what I can start with in the mean time. Probably the best way I can start helping myself.

Thank you for your reply, it's definitely the way I'm taking this and will take it all In stride.

Cheers
Morning, I didn't mean to suggest you are getting your medical advice on the forums. There are excellent people here who know what they are saying and will help but there are people who dispense medical advice and do not. I am far from a doc or naturopath and know my limitations so take my advice for what it is - just a suggestion. My real point was to seek professional help - good or bad the specialists have 8 years of intensive training and do it everyday so to think they don't know more than the average person, would be naive.
Glad you are doing better.
 
Best of luck getting your issues sorted out. Not all doctors are bad - some care and like all professions some are great and some are not. They make mistakes as they are human beings and I'm not making excuses for them. Its good you are trying to take your own health into your own hands but no matter how much reading do - unless there is a doctor here and I don;t know of any, it is hard to compete with 8 years of medical training around the clock. I love reading medical studies and books but in no way can I hold a candle to a good internal medicine specialist.

I am sorry for what you went through/are going through and I will caution you strongly on Lyrica - doctors go by the recommendations to stop the drug and do it in weeks when you should titrate it down over months. Just look up Lyrica withdrawal. Many write it is worse than stopping a prescribed narcotic or benzo.

You sound like you were in a dark place and you should keep looking for a doctor you can trust and relate to. Getting medical advice on a forum isn't always the best advice - nothing wrong with getting people's opinions but keep in mind no matter how much they can regurgitate numbers off the web or a book, it doesn't mean they understand it.

There are a few guys here who have a lot of medical knowledge and I would suggest listening to what they have to say - @gondar1 and @Bagua and I'm sure there are more but please don't try to self treat anything that had you in such a dark place you were contemplating taking your own life.

Wishing you the best and I hope you find a doctor you can trust and develop a rapport with.

GR
I had a buddy stop lyrica cold turkey, he was using it for long term back pain, from back surgery.
He explained to me how he crawled on the for for a week feeling so horrible. He only uses a short acting hydromorphine as needed now, never wants to go thru that again.
 
Morning, I didn't mean to suggest you are getting your medical advice on the forums. There are excellent people here who know what they are saying and will help but there are people who dispense medical advice and do not. I am far from a doc or naturopath and know my limitations so take my advice for what it is - just a suggestion. My real point was to seek professional help - good or bad the specialists have 8 years of intensive training and do it everyday so to think they don't know more than the average person, would be naive.
Glad you are doing better.
Good morning, I completely understand what you are saying and I appreciate the kindness in your messages. Thats a rare thing to find these days.

I've found over the time I've spent on the forums, this one or any other hosted past or present with bull to be a great place to be held personally accountable.

Its similar to the corporate world business meetings. We inform others of the plan and they ask questions to which if you're actually putting in the effort, we can provide appropriate feed back.
If we are not following through, be prepared to have your balls busted. Lol
Plans do change but with a better course of action with the same goal in mind.

Its just like cycling of a food plan
We put it out there to make ourselves accountable for our own actions.. accountable in front of our peers. We do this so we don't give up.

I'm grateful for the time you put into chatting.
Cheers and have a great weekend.
 
Yup, its a step by step process. You got good data.
  1. Address the Highs in the Blood work. PSA, Lipids, Iron, etc
  2. Once #1 markers are moving in the right direction add the TRT to see if it address your issue. I believe you said you are going to Tru Balance....they are liberal so great to work with BUT they tend to over prescribe adex. You should be clear you want to find the max dosage without an AI.
  3. Get all blood work redone, make adjustments to diet, exercise, life choices and dosages,
  4. repeat
 
I had a buddy stop lyrica cold turkey, he was using it for long term back pain, from back surgery.
He explained to me how he crawled on the for for a week feeling so horrible. He only uses a short acting hydromorphine as needed now, never wants to go thru that again.
Hi @Sorbate - my father stopped it cold turkey and I warned him. He doesn't have anxiety but his hands were so shaky at the office he had to leave a few times to go for a drive. If you ever met my dad, he may not be a big man but he is one of the most confident men I know and had a strong personality so this was bizarre. It was like he had OCD for everything.

There are horror stories out there and it is not recommended to stop gabapentin or lyrica cold turkey for risk of seizure and a plethora of shitty side effects.
Glad your friend is doing better.
 
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