Vial not airtight. A concern?

Englishmustard

Englishmustard

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Just popped the cap off a new vial of test-e. The metal foil around the rubber stopper was kinda loose and turned really easily. Didn’t think too much on it until I started to draw oil into my syringe and as I pulled back the plunger, air bubbles were going into the vial from the outside atmosphere. This makes me think the vial has never been airtight and could possibly be contaminated. Could this be the case? I emailed the rep about it already but wanted to hear your thoughts. Anyone had this? Did you pin it anyway?
 
Englishmustard said:
Just popped the cap off a new vial of test-e. The metal foil around the rubber stopper was kinda loose and turned really easily. Didn’t think too much on it until I started to draw oil into my syringe and as I pulled back the plunger, air bubbles were going into the vial from the outside atmosphere. This makes me think the vial has never been airtight and could possibly be contaminated. Could this be the case? I emailed the rep about it already but wanted to hear your thoughts. Anyone had this? Did you pin it anyway?
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If it did not leak in transit it is sealed

and why would you not wait for the reps reply before posting? No idea which lab this was but for sure they would appreciate being able to address this before it was made public and yes I know you did not name the lab. But odds are you get messages asking you which one it was.

You folks have it easy. Back in my day we treated our reps with tons of respect. Because we had maybe access to only one lab. And last thing we wanted was to take a chance to lose that connection
And what guys fail to see is lab reps read these posts. A guy that brings any issue direct to their attention is the client a lab wants. It's shows mutual respect and trust.
 
I realise that and exactly the reason I did not name the lab. If I get messages asking which lab I won’t tell.
I have messaged the rep and got a very fast response telling me all is well. But it’s nice to get other people’s opinions on the matter. I was hoping someone might have told me “yes I’ve had air bubbles going into the vial when drawing, it is fine” I’d rather have a 3rd party tell me they had no issues than the guy selling the stuff telling me it’s ok.

I was just hoping for a quick response as the syringe was sitting on my sink and I didn’t know whether I should have cracked open another vial to see if the same thing happened. Every vial I’ve had thus far I’ve had to inject air into it to release the vacuum. If I don’t, the plunger won’t even pull back normally.
 
Englishmustard said:
Just popped the cap off a new vial of test-e. The metal foil around the rubber stopper was kinda loose and turned really easily. Didn’t think too much on it until I started to draw oil into my syringe and as I pulled back the plunger, air bubbles were going into the vial from the outside atmosphere. This makes me think the vial has never been airtight and could possibly be contaminated. Could this be the case? I emailed the rep about it already but wanted to hear your thoughts. Anyone had this? Did you pin it anyway?
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Yes it’s fine. Just use the same caution you should always use with injecting.

I’ve pinned stuff from vials with no lid.
 
Sorry fellas. You are wrong. Caps should not spin freely. That is a bad crimp.

If he is trying to pull oil and bubbles are flying because it’s lose around the cap.... the vial is not sealed and it is no good. If a crimp is a little lose? Meh.... I can see that. But when he says he’s pulling air? Nope.... sorry. That’s no fucking good at all.

You cannot guarantee sterility on that vial. Maybe the residual BA does it’s job, maybe it doesn’t do its job? Do you want to be the science experiment that’s testing it out? With the number of labs literally tripping over themselves for peoples business, why would you accept this as a customer?

The lab needs to fix their issue.

I wouldn’t pay for that at all. I’m actually kinda shocked at how many here would tolerate that and not bat an eye.... Bad idea folks.
 
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I've had the whole stopper come right out when popping the cap off once. I just stuck it back in and eventually pinned the whole vial. In retrospect perhaps not the best move, but it was good Tren so no regrets.
 
mt666tm said:
I've had the whole stopper come right out when popping the cap off once. I just stuck it back in and eventually pinned the whole vial. In retrospect perhaps not the best move, but it was good Tren so no regrets.
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Saying things likes this downplays the issue at hand.

No regrets folks..... until there is.

It’s not acceptable. Period.
 
biguglynewf said:
Sorry fellas. You are wrong. Caps should not spin freely. That is a bad crimp.

If he is trying to pull oil and bubbles are flying because it’s lose around the cap.... the vial is not sealed and it is no good. If a crimp is a little lose? Meh.... I can see that. But when he says he’s pulling air? Nope.... sorry. That’s no fucking good at all.

You cannot guarantee sterility on that vial. Maybe the residual BA does it’s job, maybe it doesn’t do its job? Do you want to be the science experiment that’s testing it out? With the number of labs literally tripping over themselves for peoples business, why would you accept this as a customer?

The lab needs to fix their issue.

I wouldn’t pay for that at all. I’m actually kinda shocked at how many here would tolerate that and not bat an eye.... Bad idea folks.
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Not doubting you, but that raised a question in my mind. If you are pulling 1ml out of your vial, you start by injecting 1ml of air into your vial. What’s the difference between air getting into our vial around the crimp vs you injecting it into your vial?
 
I would throw it straight in the trash... call me a paranoid morherfucker when it comes to these sort of things.
 
Cumminstech2 said:
Not doubting you, but that raised a question in my mind. If you are pulling 1ml out of your vial, you start by injecting 1ml of air into your vial. What’s the difference between air getting into our vial around the crimp vs you injecting it into your vial?
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Because the vial has never been sealed. Its not sterile.

If you are pulling 1cc of ambient air there should be little chance of introducing viruses or bacteria. But that is what the BA is for.

Having an open vessel consistently subject to the environment is something entirely different.
 
Back in the day when I did amps, i didn't need to worry about a cap.
There was 1 lab that had a cap pop off, I was done with it.
 
Its fine, everytime you draw, you push same amount of air into the vial first (at least youre supposed to), which would technically also contaminate the vial. Its good thatt you told your rep though, he may want to have his crimper adjusted so that it crimps a bit tighter. Thats not NORMAL, but its not something that would concern me.
 
rrrrolla said:
Its fine, everytime you draw, you push same amount of air into the vial first (at least youre supposed to), which would technically also contaminate the vial. Its good thatt you told your rep though, he may want to have his crimper adjusted so that it crimps a bit tighter. Thats not NORMAL, but its not something that would concern me.
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It’s not the same
 
biguglynewf said:
It’s not the same
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Actually the more I think about it, I agree with you. There would be a much higher risk for contamination as the air coming in around the seal would be causing the oil that is bubbling around the seal to possibly come into contact with parts of the bottle that could be contaminated. It wouldnt bother ME personally because I have used homebrew before and the only thing keeping it sterile was the BA, and Ive been doing this a loooong time and never got an infection, Ive obviously been very lucky though.. I'm also a little shocked that a replacement wasnt offered.
 
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