NPP/Deca Experience

MuscleBeard

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Just wondering what everyone's NPP/Deca experience was in current/past cycles. I was going to use NPP this blast but opted to run primo instead. My reasoning was all the horrible sides I read about on another message board. It's just full of people saying it destroyed their mental health but was amazing for size.

The mental health determinant is my concern. I have a clinical diagnosis of bipolar disorder and while test/primo have actually made me feel more stable, paired with my medication, I just don't know if it's worth the risk to use NPP if mental wellbeing side effects are truly that common.

I personally feel like some people are probably running too much, likely with a high dose test and are actually experiencing sides either from having to high dose an AI that is making them depressed, or the high test is giving them a lot of aromotization and that's causing the sides. I was going to start with 200mg a week with like 300 test and see how it goes.

Cheers for any wisdom.

*Edit to say that my doctor is aware of what I'm doing in conjunction with my BPD diagnosis. I haven't gone about it blindly, in case anyone was considering it reckless lol.
 
I'm in the same boat. I have 4 bottles of npp and I'm trying to figure out what to run beside it to avoid the dreaded deca
Hopefully a few chime in.
 
Don’t let other peoples side effects rule how you run your cycles brother, I’m on 600mg deca 500mg test and I get zero sides with no AI or ancillaries. Just monitor your self and take AI as needed, you shouldn’t need caber if your estrogen is under control but you could always keep some on hand, I’ve personally never had to use it.
 
Re read you post and noticed the thing about bpd, but I’ll say I am diagnosed with a couple things from when I was a kid/teenager, and I almost feel as though I’ve grown out of it, I actually feel almost normal now, and since starting AAS I feel like I’ve been missing something my whole life.
 
MuscleBeard said:
Just wondering what everyone's NPP/Deca experience was in current/past cycles. I was going to use NPP this blast but opted to run primo instead. My reasoning was all the horrible sides I read about on another message board. It's just full of people saying it destroyed their mental health but was amazing for size.

The mental health determinant is my concern. I have a clinical diagnosis of bipolar disorder and while test/primo have actually made me feel more stable, paired with my medication, I just don't know if it's worth the risk to use NPP if mental wellbeing side effects are truly that common.

I personally feel like some people are probably running too much, likely with a high dose test and are actually experiencing sides either from having to high dose an AI that is making them depressed, or the high test is giving them a lot of aromotization and that's causing the sides. I was going to start with 200mg a week with like 300 test and see how it goes.

Cheers for any wisdom.

*Edit to say that my doctor is aware of what I'm doing in conjunction with my BPD diagnosis. I haven't gone about it blindly, in case anyone was considering it reckless lol.
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Threw the winter I ran 75 mg nnp a day I never touched it for years after all the horrible story’s I heard but I felt great off it man great gains I took 1 mg caber a week and ran it with test prop and anavar and all diffinitly run it again everyone is gunna respond different just have some caber or prami on hand
 
proviron at a good dose goes well with it as well. I also use prami cause i can stand the sides and its cheaper
 
NovaScotiaMan said:
Threw the winter I ran 75 mg nnp a day I never touched it for years after all the horrible story’s I heard but I felt great off it man great gains I took 1 mg caber a week and ran it with test prop and anavar and all diffinitly run it again everyone is gunna respond different just have some caber or prami on hand
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Cashton said:
Don’t let other peoples side effects rule how you run your cycles brother, I’m on 600mg deca 500mg test and I get zero sides with no AI or ancillaries. Just monitor your self and take AI as needed, you shouldn’t need caber if your estrogen is under control but you could always keep some on hand, I’ve personally never had to use it.
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Cheers guys. I think I will give it a shot and just be careful, starting out conservative. Noted on having prolactin control on hand.
 
MuscleBeard said:
Cheers guys. I think I will give it a shot and just be careful, starting out conservative. Noted on having prolactin control on hand.
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Maybe it’s silly of me, but I actually don’t have any caber or prami on hand, but thus far I respond well to deca, tren not so much.
 
Test /npp/primo is a lot of peoples holy grail (favourite) of cycles. For me a a little NPP, 300mg split into 3 injections a week with 350g of Test E goes a long way. I never had a bad reaction with regards to prolactin even when I run npp or deca at higher levels but always keep caber on hand because you don't want to scramble to find it if you have adverse reaction. I find people mistaken prolactin to for estrogen imbalances because they are running test higher than their other cycles in an attempt to offset penile issues. Either way, bloodwork and nor19 are best friends.

The only caveat i have when running npp or deca is when I add in any strength focused oral as the back pumps just get absolutely unbearable.
 
Just sharing my recent experience with NPP.

Im on week 12 of 16..just dropped the NPP as the anxiety has been crippling at times. It was slow to come on and I didn't have much going on when I started it. But since then I've gotten into a relationship that is blowing my mind, to which the npp is blasting my anxiety through the roof. Ontop of that I recently got onto a car crash and fucked my truck up.(other driver Is at fault) however it being heavily modified dealing with insurance has been an absolute nightmare. So those 2 compiled has giving me almost a handful of panic attacks.

The physical gains make me sad to drop it, but honestly I just can't deal anymore. Not to mention the dick sides which for me have been all estro related. So I've been balancing between just enough AI and crashing my e2. Which on 50% more test I had no need for AIs in the past and I was at least 3-4% more bodyfat
 
Jestopherson said:
Just sharing my recent experience with NPP.

Im on week 12 of 16..just dropped the NPP as the anxiety has been crippling at times. It was slow to come on and I didn't have much going on when I started it. But since then I've gotten into a relationship that is blowing my mind, to which the npp is blasting my anxiety through the roof. Ontop of that I recently got onto a car crash and fucked my truck up.(other driver Is at fault) however it being heavily modified dealing with insurance has been an absolute nightmare. So those 2 compiled has giving me almost a handful of panic attacks.

The physical gains make me sad to drop it, but honestly I just can't deal anymore. Not to mention the dick sides which for me have been all estro related. So I've been balancing between just enough AI and crashing my e2. Which on 50% more test I had no need for AIs in the past and I was at least 3-4% more bodyfat
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Man that sounds like a rough go. Ive dealt with something similar and My anxiety was actually estrogen related. I was young and dumb and never used an AI . My estrogen was through the roof. Was getting chest pains and all just from worrying. When I finally got that under control I never had any anxiety issues again or ever before that. Im not sure if low e2 could do the same.
 
Cheapshot said:
Man that sounds like a rough go. Ive dealt with something similar and My anxiety was actually estrogen related. I was young and dumb and never used an AI . My estrogen was through the roof. Was getting chest pains and all just from worrying. When I finally got that under control I never had any anxiety issues again or ever before that. Im not sure if low e2 could do the same.
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I imagine it could be. I had bloods done at the 4 week make with no ancillaries but since then it's been a bit of a guessing game. So I've experimented jumping between adex and caber and performance seems best with Adex. I actually experienced complete inability to get hard on caber.
 
I'm on finasteride but the whole community thinks npp with fin will fuck ur hair cause DEREK mpmd cherry picks specific articles to lay out what he wants to say just to justify it. Jeff nippard said it best "it is easy to cherry-pick science articles" hence why he does articles + live talks with doctors/ kinesiologists to justify the articles and de bunk whatever isn't true. Not sure how many here have had success with NPP and finasteride please chime in.
 
Cashton said:
Don’t let other peoples side effects rule how you run your cycles brother, I’m on 600mg deca 500mg test and I get zero sides with no AI or ancillaries. Just monitor your self and take AI as needed, you shouldn’t need caber if your estrogen is under control but you could always keep some on hand, I’ve personally never had to use it.
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morning @Cashton - why would you be concerned with caber and estrogen in the same sentence? I'm not saying your wrong as maybe you know something I don't but I would only take caber if I needed to control my prolactin. If I needed to control my estrogen I would take an AI.
thanks,
GR
 
I have a love/hate relationship with Deca/NPP. I love the strength gains and if I wanted to pack on muscle it is the first compound I reach for to add to test. There are a lot of compounds I won't take as I don't consider the risk worth it but I'm not 20. Nothing kills joint pain or heals muscular related injuries (for me) like deca/npp. Var is known to be good but I can't take orals - even var sends my ALT through the roof.
I take low doses of all compounds so many won't relate but if I add 150 mg of deca to my TRT, I will put in 10 lbs in two months. Obviously, I have to train and eat to grow. That is why I love it.

I hate it because it kills my sex drive and I need ED medication to be sure I can perform. With NPP, it hits me in about 3-5 days and with Deca it hits me in two weeks. I have never had any mental sides but I don't take high doses.

Since Primo was mentioned, next to test it is my favorite compound. Deca will increase my BP a little and impact a few health markers but nothing to be concerned about at 150-200 mg a week. Primo at up to 300 mg per week - I haven't exceeded 300 doesn't impact any of my blood/BP numbers. Primo has some health benefits and in moderation over an extended period you reap amazing results. It sends my sex drive up significantly and increases my free test the longer I take it even at 100 mg per week with my TRT. My total T will be in the high end of normal and my free test will double or triple the top end of normal.

The only way to know how it will impact you is to take it but suggest you take NPP so if it impacts you negatively, it will clear faster due to the fast acting ester. Make sure your doctor knows what is going on and is on call if you react bad. I won't tell you what to do but please be careful if you already struggle with mental issues. Mental illness is no different than a physical disease.
Years ago when PCT compounds were not available, people would pyramid up and down with doses, again as a safety idea why not start low and build up to make sure you react OK.

Good luck.
 
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Jestopherson said:
I imagine it could be. I had bloods done at the 4 week make with no ancillaries but since then it's been a bit of a guessing game. So I've experimented jumping between adex and caber and performance seems best with Adex. I actually experienced complete inability to get hard on caber.
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Geez that seems weird to me. Im a rock hard animal on caber..lol. myself I would try a low dose of adex and caber. Well probably not adex, i much prefer aromasin and I can split the pills down to 6.25mg.


Sometimes its so hard to figure out where you need to be. Then when you think you have it figured out, out bodys adapt and change.. so the ai dose you use yo use is no longer relevant.

Someone smarter then me needs to make a blood monitoring system like they have for diabetics.. so we can check our bloodwork daily from an app on our phones. take it to dragons den..lol
 
Goldenrod said:
morning @Cashton - why would you be concerned with caber and estrogen in the same sentence? I'm not saying your wrong as maybe you know something I don't but I would only take caber if I needed to control my prolactin. If I needed to control my estrogen I would take an AI.
thanks,
GR
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I wasn’t concerned about either, Withkut re reading what I wrote, I believe I was saying something about with estrogen under control, you generally wouldn’t have any need for prolactin control like caber.
 
Goldenrod said:
I have a love/hate relationship with Deca/NPP. I love the strength gains and if I wanted to pack on muscle it is the first compound I reach for to add to test. There are a lot of compounds I won't take as I don't consider the risk worth it but I'm not 20. Nothing kills joint pain or heals muscular related injuries (for me) like deca/npp. Var is known to be good but I can't take orals - even var sends my ALT through the roof.
I take low doses of all compounds so many won't relate but if I add 150 mg of deca to my TRT, I will put in 10 lbs in two months. Obviously, I have to train and eat to grow. That is why I love it.

I hate it because it kills my sex drive and I need ED medication to be sure I can perform. With NPP, it hits me in about 3-5 days and with Deca it hits me in two weeks. I have never had any mental sides but I don't take high doses.

Since Primo was mentioned, next to test it is my favorite compound. Deca will increase my BP a little and impact a few health markers but nothing to be concerned about at 150-200 mg a week. Primo at up to 300 mg per week - I haven't exceeded 300 doesn't impact any of my blood/BP numbers. Primo has some health benefits and in moderation over an extended period you reap amazing results. It sends my sex drive up significantly and increases my free test the longer I take it even at 100 mg per week with my TRT. My total T will be in the high end of normal and my free test will double or triple the top end of normal.

The only way to know how it will impact you is to take it but suggest you take NPP so if it impacts you negatively, it will clear faster due to the fast acting ester. Make sure your doctor knows what is going on and is on call if you react bad. I won't tell you what to do but please be careful if you already struggle with mental issues. Mental illness is no different than a physical disease.
Years ago when PCT compounds were not available, people would pyramid up and down with doses, again as a safety idea why not start low and build up to make sure you react OK.

Good luck.
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Appreciate the response! I am currently running primo and really love it. I don't see myself blasting anymore without the addition of primo in some dose so I'll probably run test/primo and then a small amount of NPP to see how I react, as you suggested, and titrate up from there.
 
Ive been looking into nandralone a fair bit lately.
Of course with steroids you'll be able to find supporting info for whatever you choose to believe if you cherry pick your sources.

I believe the key to using nandralone is to either use very little test (100-150mg/week) or none at all. The prolactin related sides from deca require estrogen in abundance. Without test to convert...no estrogen....no prolactin sides.

Nandralone has a much stronger binding affinity to then AR than test. And Will therefor create more lean tissue without the guessing game we have with test..as to if it will convert to estrogen..or dht.

With all that said...from my standpoint this is all just research at this point. I have yet to experiment using nandralone without any test...but I certainly plan to run this in the near future once I clean up my gains a bit via a cut.

I also think NPP seems to have more aesthetic qualities compared to deca (less water retention)..as many people often note. But without testosterone I feel like the difference between npp and deca will be far less obvious...if any. Other than the obvious ester differences.
 
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