Covid vaccine

Robnes said:
I will attempted to explain why you should get the vaccine to keep others safe. The first thing you need to know is vaccines are not 100%effective, in fact many well established vaccines that are required during our youth are only about 70% effective. That said if you do get the vaccine the antibodies you acquire will make you 8 times less likely to catch Covid. Even if you do catch Covid you will not be contagious to others for as longer and someone who doesn’t, your symptoms will be not as severe, and you will recover quicker. This mean, there is less opportunity to spread the viral infection and a smaller opportunity for the virus to mutate. If we are able to get most people vaccinated the majority of people will have antibodies and the virus will have fewer opportunities to spread and mutate. This will lead to very low levels of the virus in the population similar to measles and chicken pox. More importantly the Covid virus isn’t out in the population mutating at a fast rate. The reason we want to prevent virus mutation is so it doesn’t develop in to a virus that has a 50% mortality rate.

About myocarditis, people have a higher risk of heart inflammation form Covid than the vaccine.

Last when formulating opinions don’t just seek out evidence that supports your perspective look at both sides. Also, when you get information from the media, you need to realize what are the biases they support.

Its a right not to get vaccinated but it is a privilege to participate in society. The decision is yours, you can choos to protect the health of everyone or decide your life is more important than keeping our population healthy - I will not judge.
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Citations for those claims you’re presenting as fact and also for those number you’re using please.

I’ve read the articles and generalized information too put out on such….but in god we trust…. Everyone else? Show me the data.

and you cant make direct correlations to vaccines like MMR and Chickenpox to this one now can you? I mean I guess you can…. But that doesnt mean it’s correct to do so.

Despite all that…. You still didn’t really answer the question.

We can’t diminish the limitations these vaccines seem to have. And the list would appear to be growing quickly. Christ… we couldn’t get past 6 months before folks started the push for boosters…lol.

For example….Many, if not most, provinces are reporting approximately 75-80% of the population full vaxed. Despite these numbers, we still have a wide range of IPAC measures implemented across the province to varying degrees……from prophylactic full contact and droplet precautions in places where there are no outbreaks and vaccinations mandated to the point where anyone non full vax has been excluded from the workplace. All the way to whatever this shitshow is that public health is still mandating in public settings.

…..And here’s the kicker. Infections are still being reported and counted at a significant rate….. Despite efforts to clawback on regular testing on the vaxed in healthcare settings under the medical directives. But that’s not an effort in numbers manipulation at all. Only testing the unvaxed? Lol. No one wants to talk about that though. Move along…. Nothing to see here.

Hmmm…. And then we have reports out of public health units (like the one I posted above) showing that over 50% of the cases reported over the past 7 days are in fully vaccinated individuals. Yet it’s reported that 49.8 percent were not fully vaccinated…. Lol!

So again How exactly does taking the vaccine keep others safe? Because what’s happening out there sure has changed and is changing in the clinical setting now isn’t it?

oh I forgot to mention earlier. I may know a few things on this subject and have probably been exposed to far more covid and suspect covid than you will ever comprehend.

I keep coming back to this….perhaps if everyone who was making claims and setting rules based on perception and not in fact was a little more honest and transparent in the beginning they would have dug such a deep hole and would be in a better place now. Buts that didn’t happen. And all the misdirection and nonsense is catching up and is becoming harder to defend.

truths werent spoken, perhaps for valid reasons? Perhaps not? But it’s catching up.

ive said for a very very long time…. This somewhere along the way became much more about politics than it was ever about public health.

if you’re actually in healthcare…. Can you truly sit and and tell me with a straight face you don’t acknowledge that?
 
superbeast said:
I assume with all the research everyone does, they have been following Project Veritas under cover work?
My guess is their journalist must be gorgeous. She has these guys spilling their guts every time!
I saw a clip of a new release. Looks interesting as usual.

https://www.projectveritas.com/
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That thought crossed my mind too. Amazing what they spill to what I'm assuming is someone they don't know very well
 
biguglynewf said:
Citations for those claims you’re presenting as fact and also for those number you’re using please.

I’ve read the articles and generalized information too put out on such….but in god we trust…. Everyone else? Show me the data.

and you cant make direct correlations to vaccines like MMR and Chickenpox to this one now can you? I mean I guess you can…. But that doesnt mean it’s correct to do so.

Despite all that…. You still didn’t really answer the question.

We can’t diminish the limitations these vaccines seem to have. And the list would appear to be growing quickly. Christ… we couldn’t get past 6 months before folks started the push for boosters…lol.

For example….Many, if not most, provinces are reporting approximately 75-80% of the population full vaxed. Despite these numbers, we still have a wide range of IPAC measures implemented across the province to varying degrees……from prophylactic full contact and droplet precautions in places where there are no outbreaks and vaccinations mandated to the point where anyone non full vax has been excluded from the workplace. All the way to whatever this shitshow is that public health is still mandating in public settings.

…..And here’s the kicker. Infections are still being reported and counted at a significant rate….. Despite efforts to clawback on regular testing on the vaxed in healthcare settings under the medical directives. But that’s not an effort in numbers manipulation at all. Only testing the unvaxed? Lol. No one wants to talk about that though. Move along…. Nothing to see here.

Hmmm…. And then we have reports out of public health units (like the one I posted above) showing that over 50% of the cases reported over the past 7 days are in fully vaccinated individuals. Yet it’s reported that 49.8 percent were not fully vaccinated…. Lol!

So again How exactly does taking the vaccine keep others safe? Because what’s happening out there sure has changed and is changing in the clinical setting now isn’t it?

oh I forgot to mention earlier. I may know a few things on this subject and have probably been exposed to far more covid and suspect covid than you will ever comprehend.

I keep coming back to this….perhaps if everyone who was making claims and setting rules based on perception and not in fact was a little more honest and transparent in the beginning they would have dug such a deep hole and would be in a better place now. Buts that didn’t happen. And all the misdirection and nonsense is catching up and is becoming harder to defend.

truths werent spoken, perhaps for valid reasons? Perhaps not? But it’s catching up.

ive said for a very very long time…. This somewhere along the way became much more about politics than it was ever about public health.

if you’re actually in healthcare…. Can you truly sit and and tell me with a straight face you don’t acknowledge that?
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Very good points.
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Peter Akara said:
As of Oct 14:
“We currently have 372 ICU beds open in Alberta, including 199 additional spaces (a 115 per cent increase over our baseline of 173).

There are currently 282 patients in ICU, the vast majority of whom are COVID positive.

Provincially, ICU capacity (including additional surge beds) is currently at 76 per cent. Without the additional surge spaces, provincial ICU capacity would be at 163 per cent.”
Source: https://www.albertahealthservices.ca/br/page17593.aspx


Alberta.
We are 163% capacity without surge beds.
Just a couple weeks ago, Red Deer was at 100% capacity and any further ICU admissions needed to be sent to Calgary or Edmonton

Where are you, and what do you do in healthcare? I’d like to know what your ICU numbers are.
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Why does Alberta health services report very specific information on bed numbers, added beds, icu admissions etc. But then become very foggy on the numbers when it come to covid patients? Ie the most important part when it comes to reporting on covid and it’s not numeric….it’s a blanket statement like “the vast majority whom are covid positive”

there are many things wrong with that statement. I’ll show you what it’s supposed to look like if the health authorities are being transparent.

don’t worry…. We went through it too in Ontario.
 
Another great conversation was between Joe Rogan and Alex Berenson a couple days ago. They dont agree on everything which gives room
For meaningful discussion and presenting facts to back their claims. It is over three hours long, but luckily i drove around for most of my 12hr shift the other day, so was able to listen.
Im not sure i ever listened to a full podcast of his before, but when i saw the guest i had to.
Lots of great information from the man who was just banned from twitter for telling the truth!
 
biguglynewf said:
Why does Alberta health services report very specific information on bed numbers, added beds, icu admissions etc. But then become very foggy on the numbers when it come to covid patients? Ie the most important part when it comes to reporting on covid and it’s not numeric….it’s a blanket statement like “the vast majority whom are covid positive”

there are many things wrong with that statement. I’ll show you what it’s supposed to look like if the health authorities are being transparent.

don’t worry…. We went through it too in Ontario.
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Keep in mind that Dena Hinshaw also announced publicly that those who refuse a covid test are counted as a positive case!
 
Sorbate said:
Sorry…. Decided I shared a little too much there maybe!
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As for the hospital data posted above from their respective websites. Not the end all, be all for data and transparency…. However vastly better than what Alberta health services is putting out!

“the vast majority whom are covid positive”

allotta potential outs in that gross generalization! Lol
 
gondar1 said:
That thought crossed my mind too. Amazing what they spill to what I'm assuming is someone they don't know very well
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Sometimes if you allow people to talk you would be amazed what they will tell you.
My interviews are unique, pretty much I just let them talk and show interest. The shit I’ve been told, one guy told me a story about how he beat up a previous boss, another girl told me she filed sexual harassment claims against her last three employers.
I don’t know what I do for why they tell me this stuff.

Maybe they get their info because they know what they are doing, where I just tripped over it, lol.
 
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biguglynewf said:
As for the hospital data posted above from their respective websites. Not the end all, be all for data and transparency…. However vastly better than what Alberta health services is putting out!

“the vast majority whom are covid positive”

allotta potential outs in that gross generalization! Lol
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You know at the start AHC was actually stating patient information, like age, comobidities and so on. Then I think Kenny got some money and it all changed.

Similar to the environment Canada website, as soon as the carbon tax came in, they changed it to make it almost impossible to search data. It was really simplified before.
 
ironwill said:
Absolutely. If I heard great sources saying vaccine is good, nary an issue, and will benefit you and some good information that makes sense and presented well and logical. I would look at it and think more deeply on the jab.
At present I look at motive, there is no motive for doc McCullough and all the other true experts to be stating what they are, they make no money, they get nothing except pushed into a corner with slanderous accusations by their peers.
On the other hand there is strong motive to push the vaccine and docs to stand behind the big dollars pushing the agenda.
They have done nothing to push education and be able to present in a logical fashion.

who should I believe?
The ones that get nothing, spend time educating and risk their professional names in the process.

mid the vaccine pushers spent more time forming good education on this and less time bribing and shaming, we would be further ahead.
No jab for me….BUT I am very open minded and awaiting education and facts.
I truly am and I’m not just saying that as a ruse
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The problem is you only look to media sources that support and confirm your opinions. When you look at a topic scientifically you need to look at both sides of the evidence to uncover the truth. It’s not black and white and you cannot take three different studies on a topic without understanding the generalizability of the results and what they mean. I get hundreds of research articles a week, I know you are all intelligent people, but unless you can understand the scientific jargon and the specifics of study designs you won’t get much out of this. That’s why people go to school for 12 or more years to become an expert in specific field like cardiology. Start looking at the research using google scholar, then come back to me and let me know I’d you inertand the science behind the work that is being done.
 
Robnes said:
The problem is you only look to media sources that support and confirm your opinions. When you look at a topic scientifically you need to look at both sides of the evidence to uncover the truth. It’s not black and white and you cannot take three different studies on a topic without understanding the generalizability of the results and what they mean. I get hundreds of research articles a week, I know you are all intelligent people, but unless you can understand the scientific jargon and the specifics of study designs you won’t get much out of this. That’s why people go to school for 12 or more years to become an expert in specific field like cardiology. Start looking at the research using google scholar, then come back to me and let me know I’d you inertand the science behind the work that is being done.
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At some point are going to give specific examples to prove what you say, or just keep talking down as if nobody else here is as smart as you so they just wouldnt understand?
Dr Fauci, is that you?
 
Cheapshot said:
covidreason.substack.com

Harvard Research Confirms What We've Been Saying for Months

There is not evidentiary correlation between cases and vaccination rates
covidreason.substack.com covidreason.substack.com
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Oh @Cheapshot , you simple man. You just aren’t smart enough to understand what this paper tells us. Let me try to explain it. It tells us that although there is no evidence these gmo jabs are preventing infection or reducing the spread of the virus they will. We just need to increase the coverage. The driver of this pandemic is the unvaxxed. Especially children. We need to simultaneously roll out boosters and expand the eligibility to include all age groups. According to the modeling forecasts provided by independent organizations fully funded by big pharma we can see this is the only solution. But until we achieve this you should wear your mask in your own home to protect people outside.
 
KetoMuscles said:
Oh @Cheapshot , you simple man. You just aren’t smart enough to understand what this paper tells us. Let me try to explain it. It tells us that although there is no evidence these gmo jabs are preventing infection or reducing the spread of the virus they will. We just need to increase the coverage. The driver of this pandemic is the unvaxxed. Especially children. We need to simultaneously roll out boosters and expand the eligibility to include all age groups. According to the modeling forecasts provided by independent organizations fully funded by big pharma we can see this is the only solution. But until we achieve this you should wear your mask in your own home to protect people outside.
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I didn't even say a word...but thanks. Not sure why you think i feel that way. I agree with everything you said. But you must be just looking for a fight? Im very confused...lol
 
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KetoMuscles said:
Oh @Cheapshot , you simple man. You just aren’t smart enough to understand what this paper tells us. Let me try to explain it. It tells us that although there is no evidence these gmo jabs are preventing infection or reducing the spread of the virus they will. We just need to increase the coverage. The driver of this pandemic is the unvaxxed. Especially children. We need to simultaneously roll out boosters and expand the eligibility to include all age groups. According to the modeling forecasts provided by independent organizations fully funded by big pharma we can see this is the only solution. But until we achieve this you should wear your mask in your own home to protect people outside.
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Correlation doesn’t not equal causation. This article doesn’t provide anything to truly support you argument. Once again you look for something to support your argument but the result have been taken out of context and a click bait title.
 
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